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Initial post: Jan 13, 2010 7:05:13 AM PST
CFrank says:
Is nature worship so bad? If we don't honor the earth we won't have a place to live. Perhaps, the Vatican is bad for the environment and is promoting the destruction of nature?

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Posted on Jan 13, 2010 7:24:10 AM PST
CFrank says:
LOL -Question mark was there to facilitate discussion and not about my convictions.

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In reply to an earlier post on Jan 13, 2010 7:27:51 AM PST
Kevin Bold says:
Nature worship is wrong because you're worshipping the creation and not the Creator.

After reading _The Weekly Standard_'s review of _Avatar_, I'm not going to see it, either.

Posted on Jan 13, 2010 7:30:11 AM PST
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CFrank says:
But wouldn't the "creator" want you to worship or honor his/her creation. The creation and the creator are one and the same. Without the creation we don't exist and can't worship the creator - so there is no point anyway.

By the way - Avatar is worth seeing in 3D in the theatre - It may be the Wizard of Oz of the 21st century.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 13, 2010 7:33:59 AM PST
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Kevin Bold says:
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Posted on Jan 13, 2010 7:40:09 AM PST
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CFrank says:
Explain yourself by that comment. How can we worship the creator without a planet to live on? Shouldn't we care equally about the planet as we do the creator? Maybe, you are the confused one.

Posted on Jan 13, 2010 7:40:51 AM PST
lose weight says:
I just think Avatar is an overhyped bog standard fantasy movie. From all the promotional stuff it doesn't seem particularly groundbreaking. A triumph of Hype over Substance. Camerons' Aliens was good and Titanic passed muster but I can't be bothered with Avatar.

Posted on Jan 13, 2010 7:43:47 AM PST
CFrank says:
It may be overhyped - but the 3D effects and the feeling like you are standing on the planet or in the room with the characters is unlike anything i have ever experienced with a movie. I am excited about seeing movies on the big screen again instead of at home.

Posted on Jan 14, 2010 12:56:30 AM PST
I'm all for worshiping the earth by promoting the preservation of nature. Why should it distract someone away from whatever their spiritual belief is? If you believe in God fine, go about your servitude toward him (not my thing personally), but isn't it a noble endeavor to also be a steward and protector of the wonderful home we are given?. If you are truly appreciative of God's creation you would take pains to also cherish and protect it. I think that's what the Na'vi showed us, they obviously had a higher being watching over them that they acknowledged but their respect for nature is something that wouldn't hurt the earth if humans adopted that behavior more too.

All of you Christian's who have an employer aren't you in servitude to him or her too outside your worshiping activities? Your employment does not distract you from being good Christians. Also do the same for your home, it's the only one you have. Protect it and admire its beauty.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 14, 2010 5:36:33 AM PST
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CFrank says:
That was beautifully stated - and my sentinments exactly!
I don't understand why the pope and a 2000 year-old religion does not allow for the relationship between between god and nature. Why is nature considered something "evil" and separate from who we are and god? Maybe we could welcome our connections to nature, be stewards to the planet and live in a more symbiotic way, rather than the mass consuming creatures we are -potentially leading to premature extinction. It seems to me that god would want us to take care of the planet and not destroy it because we feel we are dominant and it is our "god-given right." We act like the spoiled millionaire's child who does whatever he wants and expects his parents to clean up the mess he made. I think nature reminds us (Haiti) how humble we should be and how reverent we should be to its forces. I am afraid that religion makes us too arogant at times.

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Posted on Jan 14, 2010 6:41:27 AM PST
We need to understand the Nature of God - In the Tree of Life we see that there are various emenations of God...
The 10th Sphere is the Kingdom...(as in the instruction of Jesus - Seek ye first the Kingdom...")
Here God is known by the Hebrew Name Adonai Ha Aretz - The the Book of Zachariah and the 2 Witnesses of Revelation...

The Book of Revelation depicts Earth as the "Woman clothed with the Sun" and she is known in certain circles as Mother Nature. In the Tree of Life she is the Bride...where the 6th sphere is the Bridegroom whom she is promised to.

So if I worship Adonai Ha Aretz, is it wrong?

Psalm 91 says

He that dwelleth in the secret place of Elyon (the 4th sphere - Chesed), shall abide under the shadow of Shaddai (The 9th sphere - Yesod), and I will say of YHVH (the 2nd sphere - Chokmah) He is my refuge and my fortress....

So if I worship Elyon, is it a sin?
If I worship Shaddai is it a sin?
God IS YHVH, Elyon, Shaddai and Adonai Ha Aretz....

If we fail to recognise the realm of Spirit in the world we live in and our obligation to honour and revere God there, Adonai Ha Aretz will deal with us swiftly...
In the Tree of Life The Name of the Woman Clothed with the sun (Earth) is known as Malkah, the queen, the Bride of the King.

The church has done much to hide the Truth about Malkah from us, who she is and how humanity has trampled upon her.
The Essene Book of Revelation, which was the True Book of Revelation BEFORE the Council of Nicea distorted it, gives a more detailed account of the future of humanity and our failings. We destroy Malkah and our planet in the years to come...

Feel free to have a read

It looks very bleak and is a lot more graphic...

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 15, 2010 11:34:38 AM PST
Darshan Baba says:
Creation is non different than Creator...

Contemplate this idea of Omniscience, Omnipotence, OmniPRESENCE...

There is a necessity for one to seek Truth on one's own, to find it within.
None of the world religions or sacred teachings can carry you all the way, they are at best mere pointers to infinity, and following the actual practices of cultivating truth will lead you far but eventually you will find yourself in the territory that can not be charted by Words... There You yourself will have To Face the Totality of Infinity.... The Totality of The Self. Reading of someone elses achievement of That will not be your own achievement, it is at best a Great boost of Aspiration for your own diligent practice.

Actually the living Avatar of our time is here on Earth Now...
He has been meditating without food and water for over 4 years now for the benefit of all this world. Actually there are many great Saints living on this earth that are able to perform "miracles" (demonstration of understanding the way) like this of not eating and drinking. But this one in particular is special as he bears all the marks and signs, and his tapasya is for each and everyone on this planet. He has said he is contemplating with one pointed concentration on the pathway for all beings to be liberated from suffering. He has said that in this coming time the face of EVERY religion and culture will be changed...

There is really very little time left for indulgence, life is short, death is most certainly stalking you, best to figure out what is of REAL value here, best to determine what you REALLY came to this world for... Before the lord of death approaches and its to late...

To this baba (Darshan) It is so incredibly silly that people see a division between Creator and Creation, its almost like they dont really beleive in "God" or that there human arrogance would make "God/dess" as small as human's ignorantly percieve themselves, differentiated, personified, limited...
To Darshan that just seems to negate the concept of God, the problem with taking what someone else tells you about Creator and Creation at face value (someone who may not understand themselves) instead of taking time to discover Truth on ones own, to meet That face to face.


Posted on Jan 15, 2010 1:26:21 PM PST
Alpha says:
The Vatican doesn't like Avatar or Nature Worship? The Vatican doesn't like a LOT of things.... The Vatican also disapproves of a LOT of my personal behaviors and decisions... Guess what? I don't really give a crap what the Vatican has to say. Biggest bunch of hypocrites to hold power over the faithful.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 18, 2010 10:10:44 PM PST
ColdShot says:
[[ Vatican doesn't like Avatar and Nature Worship ]]

Are you sure?!?!

cuz a few years back, the vatican had a big love in with all kinds of religions and snake charmers, it was a zoo

and having a jolly good old fashioned KUM_BAY_YA!!!!!!!

I wonder why the flip?!

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 18, 2010 10:11:33 PM PST
ColdShot says:
Hell musta froze over...we agree....

Posted on Jan 19, 2010 2:30:00 PM PST
In treating creation with respect you are honoring the creator, when we knowingly pollute and destroy the eart we are NOT honoring God!

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 25, 2010 9:54:48 PM PST
To what extent is being green the same as nature worship, exactly?

Worshiping something, and idolizing it as you would refer to idolizing false gods involves an anthropogenic form of altruism to doing so. Native Americans and Eastern religions have a shamanic sort of nature worship where they attribute both benevolent and malevolent spirits residing within things found in nature. It actually shows a lot of similarities to monotheistic religions in that there is a fear and reward element to the compulsion to believe: salvation and Hell.

These attributes however do not mirror the sense that we must protect our planet and its vital resources we depend upon. It's a simple result of reasoning that if you reside in a location that you cannot escape from, your best choice is to make it last as long as possible. Making your home more beautiful and habitable is not a religion or a form of worshiping your house. Neither is it true of the Earth.

To equate environmentalism with nature worship is just an attempt by the RCC to sidetrack the possibility of something taking precedence over God in people's eyes, when it's a completely unfounded claim that is also undermining noble attempts to actually create a positive difference in the world.

Posted on Jan 26, 2010 6:53:08 AM PST
D. S. Clark says:
I saw Avatar twice and it was fantastic. One of the best movies I've seen and will set a new level just like Star Wars did. In 3D at IMAX it was more than just a movie. Loved it.

Posted on Feb 10, 2010 10:10:08 AM PST
It is apparent to me that the Vatican is threatened by anything that would give humankind some hope of freedom to worship divinity without interference from the hierarchal, male-dominated cadre that tries to dictate what to worship from the holy cathedral of Rome. The only hope for humanity is to develop a form of spirituality that recognizes the earth and its creatures as partners in life. The earth is a living being with a desire to be in balance with the rest of life. When in an imbalanced state, as now, it has ways of returning things to balance. These events may jeapordize humanity including those who think that they are safe in the Vatican.

Posted on Feb 10, 2010 1:09:23 PM PST
D. S. Clark says:
Here's a good video on youtube about Avatar.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 10, 2010 5:48:42 PM PST
Kevin Bold says:
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Posted on Feb 11, 2010 3:32:07 AM PST
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Well - Kevin - after 30 yrs of Christianity I arrived at a place where I am now inclined to believe it (Christianity) is the biggest deception in the history of humanity - all concocted by the Councils of Nicea and the subsequent popes and their cardinals.

The modern day church in all its various branches, whether Lutheran, Methodist, Baptist, Pentecostal or Charismatic all stem from the Coulcil of Nicea and its concoctions...
You keep believing it will be wandering in your wilderness for many more years and future lifetimes

Round and round we go....lifetime after lifetime
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