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Initial post: May 8, 2008 1:28:51 PM PDT
The Gospel According To Oprah Winfrey: Jesus Did Not Come To Die On The Cross

Did you see what Oprah Winfrey said on her television show NOW?:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xM5ILOsHLnw

On one of her recent shows, Oprah Winfrey, who claims to be a "Christian", actually said that Jesus did not come to die on the cross.

People like Oprah are totally laying the groundwork for the coming one world religion. After all, if there is no "sin", no "salvation", no "heaven", no "hell, and Jesus didn't come to die on the cross, then you can define "Christianity" any way you want and it can easily be merged with other relgions.

Here is how another article describes what Oprah is teaching:

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For years Oprah has promoted New Age religion on her television show, but in the past few months she has taken her promotion of false religion to an entirely new level.

Oprah is now holding weekly internet "lessons" for the whole world with her new spiritual superstar Eckhart Tolle.

These are some of the things Tolle has written:

"All religions are equally false and equally true, depending on how you use them."

"Man made God in his own image."

Did you know that Oprah is openly denying Jesus Christ to the whole world?

Oprah said on her television show that there could not possibly be one way to God.

Oprah recently said that she does not believe that Jesus came to die on the cross, but rather that the purpose for Jesus coming was to teach us "Christ consciousness".

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You can read the rest of the article here:

http://shatteredparadigm.blogspot.com/2008/05/gospel-according-to-oprah-winfrey-jesus.html

What do you all think about this?

In reply to an earlier post on May 8, 2008 1:55:39 PM PDT
good for her.

In reply to an earlier post on May 8, 2008 2:42:01 PM PDT
The pendulum swings from orthodoxy to heresy within every generation. Yes, you are probably right, there is bound to be a shift back to gnostic philosophy for the next few years. It most likely won't last. Eventually it will be proven again that "sin" is more than an abstract concept, evil is real and exists in the world, man believes he is good until he is placed under stress. We only truly appreciate the true nature of man when tested. Those who buy this "spiritual" theology quickly fade away when their prosperity leaves them.

There was very little question about the heart of man after Hitler. Even the most "kind" and thoughtful among us will do very cruel things when pressed. We have had a long period of peace and prosperity in the U.S. This may very likely change in the years to come. When this changes many will return to God, repentance, and the hope of a heart transplant.

There is much good in Oprah's message (along with some falsehood). It may be best to focus on the good; then God will call his own to him in his own time. Perhaps Oprah herself may grow and develop and understand the truths we take for granted. Her experience is much different than ours. It would be wise to remember this.

In reply to an earlier post on May 8, 2008 9:09:30 PM PDT
G. Langdon says:
That is the problem with watching TV. They tell us how to think, what to believe in, who to vote for, like we're a bunch of sheep - and it works! Mostly it's subliminal. We model ourselves after TV shows and movies. But the way our mainstream media has become is absolutely frightening. Nothing is the truth - it's all propaganda. As for Oprah, she apparently is just another elitist mindset that thinks we need her to tell us how to think and believe. These people are part of the New World Order without even knowing it. You are right in saying they are laying the groundwork for the coming one world religion. You see it with TV evangelism and even the Catholics' pope. Watch Endgame or Terrorstorm on Youtube for a NWO education. The birth pangs have begun. In the 4th seal of the book of Revelation food becomes limited and very expensive. Sound familiar?

In reply to an earlier post on May 11, 2008 6:42:39 PM PDT
If Christ came to die on the cross, his question while doing so, "Father, why hast though forsaken me?" seems a little out of place, don't you think?

In reply to an earlier post on May 12, 2008 10:14:59 AM PDT
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Newman says:
1 Corinthians 1:18
[ Christ the Wisdom and Power of God ] For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.
1 Corinthians 1:17-19 (in Context) 1 Corinthians 1 (Whole Chapter)

Hebrews 12:2
Let us fix our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy set before him endured the cross, scorning its shame, and sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.
Hebrews 12:1-3 (in Context) Hebrews 12 (Whole Chapter)

He ROSE from the dead after the third day. HE LIVES TODAY and still saves souls for all ETERNITY.

Blessings,
Newman

In reply to an earlier post on May 12, 2008 11:46:11 AM PDT
S. Johnson says:
I think Oprah is NOT a Christian. She is both lying to herself AND to her audience. In short, she is a fraud. People are out there who believe every word she says and hang on to her every word. She is leading people astray and evidently her words only ring with the very weak-minded among us.

In reply to an earlier post on May 12, 2008 11:50:31 AM PDT
S. Johnson says:
He knew why he was sent here, but His suffering was so great that He felt like his Father had forsaken Him. Christ became sin for all humanity and God could not look upon him for that reason. So Oprah saying that Christ did not come to earth to die on the cross is wrong. He didn't come JUST to do that, but that ultimately was His purpose.

In reply to an earlier post on May 12, 2008 12:12:04 PM PDT
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Newman says:
I think this would help Oprah Winfrey a lot.

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Is Jesus God? Here are some facts from the life of Jesus Christ and why it's not blind faith to believe in him...

By Paul E. Little

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It is impossible for us to know conclusively whether God exists and what He is like unless He takes the initiative and reveals Himself. We must know what He is like and His attitude toward us. Suppose we knew He existed, but that He was like Adolf Hitler -- capricious, vicious, prejudiced, and cruel. What a horrible realization that would be!

We must scan the horizon of history to see if there is any clue to God's revelation. There is one clear clue. In an obscure village in Palestine, almost 2,000 years ago, a Child was born in a stable. Today the entire world is still celebrating the birth of Jesus.

He lived in obscurity until He was thirty, and then began a public ministry that lasted three years. It was destined to change the course of history. He was a kindly person and we're told that "the common people heard Him gladly." And, "He taught as One who had authority, and not as their teachers of the Law" (Matthew 7:29).

The Life of Jesus Christ. Is Jesus God?
It soon became apparent, however, that He was making shocking and startling statements about Himself. He began to identify Himself as far more than a remarkable teacher or prophet. He began to say clearly that He was God. He made His identity the focal point of His teaching. The all-important question He put to those who followed Him was, "Who do you say I am?" When Peter answered and said, "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God" (Matthew 16:15-16), Jesus was not shocked, nor did He rebuke Peter. On the contrary, He commended him!.......
© EveryStudent.com

Newman

In reply to an earlier post on May 12, 2008 12:32:21 PM PDT
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Newman says:
Here is another for Oprah Winfrey.
BibleGateway.com is © Copyright 1995-2008

Philippians 3:18 (The Message)
The Message (MSG)
Copyright © 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 2000, 2001, 2002 by Eugene H. Peterson

17-19Stick with me, friends. Keep track of those you see running this same course, headed for this same goal. There are many out there taking other paths, choosing other goals, and trying to get you to go along with them. I've warned you of them many times; sadly, I'm having to do it again. All they want is easy street. They hate Christ's Cross. But easy street is a dead-end street. Those who live there make their bellies their gods; belches are their praise; all they can think of is their appetites.

BibleGateway.com is © Copyright 1995-2008

Philippians 3:18 (New International Version)
New International Version (NIV)
Copyright © 1973, 1978, 1984 by International Bible Society

18For, as I have often told you before and now say again even with tears, many live as enemies of the cross of Christ.

Newman

In reply to an earlier post on May 12, 2008 1:54:10 PM PDT
Newman!!!!!!

In reply to an earlier post on May 13, 2008 9:20:52 AM PDT
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S. Kaspan says:
A good debate on Jesus here : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AaqpZSWzu4

From One: The Movie...an underrated Gem.

In reply to an earlier post on May 13, 2008 8:42:01 PM PDT
Wow! All this talk about the Bible or should I say "Constantine's Bible" the one that is missing over a 1000 pages.
For all you people reading this,,, didn't Jesus say "seek and ye shall find"... he didn't say be a sheep to your church pastor, minister etc...If you start seeking you will find that most of the scriptures have been removed from the Bible and, there are over 250 contradictions in it. Search or Google Contradictions in the Bible and you might be surprised.
Hmmmm...but the Bible does say "all scripture is of GOD" BUT ...this was written before the book was put together by Constantine!
Hmmmmm... what do you think that means? Is that a lie? ALL SCRIPTURES?
Its time to stop following false prophets and start following your heart... Do what Jesus said...Seek and Yea shall find! Oprah my not be 100% but at least she is seeking and helping others do the same...
Fact is, if you read a "Course in Miracles" after about 150 pages you will understand no simple man could have brought this message to those pages. Only one man could be soooo accurate.... who do you think that is?..all who read this,,, seek and never stop and you will find the truth, and the truth shall set you free!
Namaste
Rob

In reply to an earlier post on May 14, 2008 8:33:01 AM PDT
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Newman says:
In reply to an earlier post on May 13, 2008 8:42 PM PDT
Robert Birmingham says:
Wow! All this talk about the Bible or should I say "Constantine's Bible" the one that is missing over a 1000 pages.
For all you people reading this,,, didn't Jesus say "seek and ye shall find"... he didn't say be a sheep to your church pastor, minister etc...If you start seeking you will find that most of the scriptures have been removed from the Bible and, there are over 250 contradictions in it. Search or Google Contradictions in the Bible and you might be surprised.........................copy of some of what you said.
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Newman:
I believe God had His hand in the way the Bible now stands. The many differant versions are still the same Bible. As someone on this forum called the Bible "a religious text" , would turn me off too, if that is what the Bible is to me. That word "religion" is almost a bad word when we think of somethings that are done in the name of religion.

The Bible to me is the LIVING WORD OF GOD and it is the Holy Spirit speaking to me...and to you. I had to set my PRIDE aside in order for God to teach or speak to me. I have only scratched the surface so to speak...God has much ,much more to GIVE...as if He hasn't given enough already.

I think maybe God is using us all with all of our weaknesses etc. for His GLORY in the end. I don't mind being used by a Holy God, that I may be a blessing to some-one or two precious souls....FOR HIS GLORY....Hallelujah.
I hope I'm not sounding too religious...I don't want that.

Blessings to you,
Newman

Proverbs 8:35

35 For whoever finds me finds life
and receives favor from the LORD.

Proverbs 8:35 (New International Version)
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In reply to an earlier post on May 14, 2008 8:55:50 AM PDT
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Nelle says:
If he came to die on the cross, why didn't he mention it until it was inevitable? If my highest purpose in life was to be the first female astronaut, I,m pretty sure I would have mentioned it before applying to NASA. If he was the son of an invisible God that impregnated Mary without her knowing, and knew it because that was the rumor before he was born, why did he say to his Father just before dying on the cross: "Why have you forsaken me?" As a Christian, I don't find anything invalid or threatening to my beliefs. If you want to take the Bible as a whole, the best thing you can take from it is "Christ Consciousness."

Otherwise you have to reconcile things like:

Asking your neighbors to help you stone a stubborn son to death
Deut. 21:18-21
Buying your rape victim for your wife
Deut. 22:29
Castrating men for the Lord
Isaiah 56:4-5
Matt. 19:12
Designing an eternal torture chamber for most people of the world and describing their screams
Matt. 13:50
Matt. 7:14
Luke 13:24
Matt. 13:42
More at http://ffrf.org/timely/abcsbible.php

Any reasonable person knows that context, even through the twisting of Apologetics, can't reconcile the Bible. We're all selective, but we need to make an effort to be more Open like Oprah.

In reply to an earlier post on May 14, 2008 9:08:05 AM PDT
In response to Robert Birmingham.

Either you believe God is in control of His message to His world or you do not. Either man is in control of God's word or he is not. The fact is nothing can be added or deleted without God letting it be so. If He has the ability to create the world and communicate His words to us, He has the ability to protect it's content as well.

Many times the Bible has been kept from man and attempts have been made to alter it. The fact is that they have all failed. We can feel very comfortable in our belief that the Bible we hold in our hands (whatever version it happens to be) is sufficient to direct a humble heart. We are not in need of a perfect version. We are in need of a perfect heart. The Bible is perfectly effective for shaping the heart; as we have it. Nothing is "missing" from the book without the express approval of God.

Secondly, Constantine didn't determine anything. He was a politician. He codified what had already been roughly determined by the hundreds of thousands who were already reading the word and living it for themselves. Bible believing Christians today could go through the exact same process today and end up with the same result. Jesus was not a Gnostic. The New Testament authors were opposed to it as was Christ. The New Testament flows from the Hebrew Bible. Anything that is opposed to the Hebrew Bible can be dismissed out of hand. This weaning process is not nearly as difficult as you might suggest. To suggest that texts were left out for political reasons is foolishness. These 1000 pages were left out because they contradicted the complete and clear canonical texts. As you see the contradictions, but can't see the clear meaning of the text, I can understand how this might be difficult for you.

You say, "Fact is, if you read a "Course in Miracles" after about 150 pages you will understand no simple man could have brought this message to those pages." I am not sure many Christians would disagree with you. What you are not acknowledging is that there are ideas that are not of man and not of God as well. It is quite possible that the Course in Miracles comes from an entirely different source than man or God. That is the concern. For most believers in the Bible the Course in Miracles has some good, some bad. Therefore, it is not really a question as to whether or not it is from the mind of man. It is definitely not from the mind of God.

In reply to an earlier post on May 14, 2008 9:22:11 AM PDT
In response to Nelle.

All of your issues that you have listed can be and have been reconciled; at times to profound effect. You are simply reading superficially; Dig deeper, and with a humble spirit. There is a great deal of truth and love in your "difficult" passages.

Jesus said, "why have you forsaken me" in reference to Psalm 22. It is a literary tool used to guide us to truths. Taking the text at face value without understanding the references can lead to some very bizarre conclusions.

Openness to ideas is not always a virtue, especially when it does not lead to clarity or humility of spirit. Your conclusions could very well be unreasonable. Perhaps you might be open enough to the idea that there is more to it that you have missed :). I would suggest you never give up your reason. I would agree that the Bible does not need apologetics to reconcile itself to man. Man needs a change of heart to reconcile herself to God and the Bible. You might have the two ideas flipped.

In reply to an earlier post on May 14, 2008 11:58:00 AM PDT
Newman
You are on the right track... Now try not to separate God from yourself... You and God are the same you are the son of God just like Jesus and me and everyone else. God is not separate from you. If you won't checkout a "Course in Miracles" that is fine. But at Least checkout The Life and Teachings of the Masters of The Far East. (Baird Spalding)
This set of books were written in the early 1900s around 1910 and published 1921. In These books you will find fantastic translations of Bible quotes, from some of the greatest spiritual followers around at this time. You will also see the amazing clarity of the Bible verses when correctly translated... Then read a "Course in Miracles" and you will be quite surprised as to the similarity of the Teachings.
The Course teaches you, who you really are... and guides you to God, Spirit or whatever you want to call it or Him / Her. It also teaches you who you are NOT. You are not your ego. And most of all, it teaches only LOVE... Not fear !!! and how to tell the two apart.
One more thing; consider checking out Elaine Pagels "The Gnostic Gospels" and "Beyond Belief" she has done extensive studies into how the Bible was created and what happened when Constantine's was around... a Great read for anyone seeking.
Namaste
Rob

In reply to an earlier post on May 14, 2008 12:47:01 PM PDT
JBS
You are on the right track... Now try not to separate yourself from God... You and God are the same you are the son of God just like Jesus and me and everyone else. God is not separate from you.
If you won't checkout a "Course in Miracles" that is fine. But at least checkout "The Life and Teachings of the Masters of The Far East". (Baird Spalding)
This set of books was written in the early 1900s from an expedition in 1894 and published 1921. In These books you will find fantastic translations of Bible quotes, from some of the greatest spiritual followers around, at this time period. You will also see the amazing clarity of the Bible verses when correctly translated...
Then read a "Course in Miracles" and you will be quite surprised as to the similarity of the Teachings. Course was given to us in 1972 .

Your statement" For most believers in the Bible the Course in Miracles has some good, some bad." First that statement is completely inaccurate. The perception of those Christians might be that, but the truth is "there is no Bad written in the course at all". I come from a background of both studies. Meaning I study both texts (Bible & Course in Miracles") I think before you pass judgment you should do the same.
Your statement below claims that because of these certain people's beliefs, it is not from GOD. ("Therefore, it is not really a question as to whether or not it is from the mind of man. It is definitely not from the mind of God." ) The truth is most scholars now believe it is the words of Jesus. Once again this text is presented in complete form unlike the Bible. The text continually references passages in the Bible to bring them to life. My question is why would you let your ego run your life? Why not put your ego aside and take an honest look at the word of GOD. What do you have to fear?

The Course teaches you, who you really are... and guides you to God, Spirit or whatever you want to call it or Him / Her. It also teaches you who you are NOT. You are not your ego. And most of all, it teaches only LOVE... Not fear!!! and how to tell the two apart. It also teaches you how to Go within to find God Love happiness and Joy as well as peace... all based on the teachings of the Bible. Now if you are a pastor or Minister you might not like the fact that the Course teaches people how to live without fear... because fear is the main motivator in most church sermons. "You are a Sinner' Repent etc etc etc

One more thing; consider checking out Elaine Pagels "The Gnostic Gospels" and "Beyond Belief" she has done extensive studies into how the Bible was created and what happened when Constantine's was around... a Great read for anyone seeking.

For example; Constantine was a politician just like you said only he proclaimed himself the Bishop of all Bishops and sent his troops to help the churches rebuild, then he called the Council of Nicaea at which time he directed which books should remain in the Bible... He commanded all other scripture to be destroyed... a group of Bishops disagreed with these orders and took many of these scriptures and buried them in a Glass jar in Nag Hammadi. These were found in 1947 and called the "Nag Hammadi Library" also found in our life time were the "Dead Sea Scrolls" the Secret Vault of the Vatican was opened up to Edmond Boudreaux Szekley in 1929 of which he translated in over 50 books for 2 years,,, his findings, also the Gnostic Gospels have also been presented to us.... Now think for a moment... do you think all this is coincidence? All these findings in our lifetime? Maybe we need to look at all this evidence and decide for ourselves what is truth. SEEK AND YE SHALL FIND!
Namaste
Rob

In reply to an earlier post on May 14, 2008 7:38:34 PM PDT
Newman says:
Thank you JBS,

I agree with you. [ Therefore, it is not really a question as to whether or not it is from the mind of man. It is definitely not from the mind of God.]

Blessings to you,
Newman

In reply to an earlier post on May 15, 2008 4:58:32 AM PDT
Yes, it is the words of Jesus... And lets just imagine for one monment that we have in our hands 1000 pages of teachings from Jesus called a "Course in Miracles" who in there right mind on this planet wouldn't want to just check it out, even if they didn't believe it was from Jesus... Just to be sure, wouldn't you want to check it out?
The scary thing about all this is the mind of God is also your mind and mine and everyone elses.
Namaste
Rob

In reply to an earlier post on May 15, 2008 7:19:51 AM PDT
In response to Rob.

I am not a pastor. I have no ax to grind. I have read the Course in Miracles as well as having knowledge of a number of a number of other "techniques" and spiritual disciplines related to eastern mysticism. I am not afraid of it. It is simply false and quite transparent in it's anti Christian message (please understand the term is not a slur. It simply means opposed to Christianity).

You have laid out your case quite nicely. I am comfortable weighing your message in a unbiased way. Ideas like the Course in Miracles gain strength in every generation and then quietly fade away as the true condition of man is revealed during times of strife. Sin is real. Evil exists. Man reveals his true nature when pressed and his true nature is sinfulness. There is nothing about Jesus that would suggest that our mind is the mind of God. An understanding of separateness from God is necessary for growth. We must acknowledge the disease before we can embrace the cure. Look around Rob. If we are the mind of god she is not really worth our worship, or really worth much of anything at all. Wake up Rob! You are not God. Wake up Rob, I am definitely not God.

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