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Initial post: Aug 24, 2010 8:07:07 PM PDT
RichieV says:
Most great Quarterbacks had a great coach and a great system. Who do you think was the best quarterback on a bad team.

I will start things off with a favorite of mine; Jim Zorn. He had Steve Largent, but no offensive line and for most of his career a very bad team. And yet they were fun to watch. Mainly because of Zorn and Largent.

Who is your choice?

Posted on Sep 3, 2010 7:06:47 PM PDT
whatever says:
I'd say Archie Manning, John Hadl, Roman Gabriel.
Jim Zorn is a really good pick.
Peyton Manning his first couple years too.
That's a really hard question b/c you have to go back to the best quarterbacks on the best teams & look back at when they first got into the league. Damn near all great QBs started out on crappy teams but they made the teams better which makes people forget the bad seasons.
Maybe the question should be rephrased to 'best QB of a team that remained consistently bad..'

Posted on Sep 7, 2010 5:56:03 PM PDT
K.A.Goldberg says:
Archie Manning and John Hadl certain belong in this group, and maybe Dan Fouts, Peyton Manning and Jim Zorn too. Also, John Elway was quite successful despite usually playing for less-than-stellar teams.

And who would you say was the most over-rated due to having a great team? Terry Bradshaw, Roger Staubach, Troy Aikman, and even Joe Montana were great stars, but all played for very good teams. How would they have done had they played for poor teams?

Posted on Sep 8, 2010 6:46:53 PM PDT
Dan Marino owned a bunch of records, but because he never won a Super Bowl he's not considered one of the greatest QB's. Is it because he had a bad team, bad coaching or maybe sportswriters have too much power when it comes to saying who's good or bad.

For me the question is answered with an easy if somewhat personal response.

Growing up in Atlanta in the 70's and early 80's I watched Steve Bartkowski get so close, but fall short too often. It was really a tough pill to swallow with a home playoff loss to the Cowboy's in 1980.

Sports Illustrated had Barkowski on the cover after the loss with the caption "A Dynasty Delayed" We're STILL waiting for that dynasty in Atlanta. I just hope Matt Ryan doesn't become another Steve Bartkowski.

Posted on Oct 3, 2010 9:56:41 PM PDT
ags4ever says:
gotta remember that Dan Marino's records came AFTER the days of the "no name defense" and the rest of the Dolphins of the 70s. how he became the record holder with most yards, most touchdowns and most completions was despite his teammates and was primarily due to his longevity at the position.

Posted on Oct 3, 2010 9:59:15 PM PDT
ags4ever says:
I believe both Bradshaw and Staubach would have been great no matter for which team they played. With better teams, they might have done better. (Though four Super Bowl Rings in four attempts is hard to beat. Three time most valuable player in the Super Bowl (Bradshaw) is also hard to beat). with worse teams, who knows? they were still winners.

Posted on Oct 4, 2010 7:59:10 PM PDT
Peyton Manning.
Bad Coach, Bad Defense, Bad Offensive line, bad running backs in recent years.
He makes players good on his team, without him the Colts would probably be a 4-12 team at most no matter who their QB was because there is no QB in the league that does more for his entire organization than Peyton. He rotates any receivers and makes them good, saving the organization money for garbage defensive players, he runs the offensive practice if you have ever been there he is the only one talking, no coaches, if he played with the o-line of the patriots and their defense from 2000-2010, He would have no less than 5 titles. He is underrated for all he has done to make the Colts organization look good. When in reality he is the franchise.

Posted on Oct 5, 2010 9:26:27 PM PDT
J. Toller says:
How about some journeymen who could have done great things with a decent team? Guys like Steve DeBerg, Dave Krieg, Vinny Testaverde...

Posted on Jul 31, 2011 3:25:22 PM PDT
I would not say that the Miami Dolphins during Dan Marino's run were bad, but they were never good enough to win it all except for that only Super Bowl for Marino when they faced one of the greatest teams of all time in the 49ers. In fact, I list all the greatest teams that have played the Super Bowl in my new book The Mental Performance Index: Ranking the Best Teams in Super Bowl History

Maybe it is more appropriate to saw that Dan Marino was the best quarterback on a team with a bad defense many years. They came close a few times, but only made it the the show once and never won it. Let's face it, being the best of 32 teams is never easy in any given year.

John F Murray, PhD
Clinical & Sports Psychologist &
Author of The Mental Performance Index: Ranking the Best Teams in Super Bowl History
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