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Why the Big Ten doesn't want a playoff.

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Initial post: Apr 21, 2008 7:56:40 PM PDT
For years the Big Ten conference has stood in the way of progress in college football, first resisting the creation of the BCS and now standing in the way of progress towards a playoff. But why? Why is it that after all the controversies and blunders that college football had endured does the Big Ten not want a playoff? The answer is simple for anyone who saw the national championship game on Monday night, if a playoff system were ever put into place no Big Ten team would have a chance at a national title. Ohio State, the Big Ten's best team is 0-8 against SEC teams. Big Ten teams have proven time and time again that they are not capable of playing with the nations top schools, losing year after year to the top teams from other conferences with rare exceptions (Michigan's win over Florida was a shocker). After the over hyped "game of the century" last year between #1 Ohio State and #2 Michigan, both teams got their butts kicked by SEC and Pac Ten teams. As it is now, a semi good team can go though the Big Ten easily. Ohio State took advantage of the fact that this year the Big Ten was the worst conference in the nation with both of its top teams, Ohio State and Illinois, being served a healthy dose of reality that they aren't really as good as they are given credit for.

And so the Big Ten resists what the rest of the country has come to realize is the only way to go, a playoff system. Why get beat early every year in a playoff when you can sneak into the title game due to your weak conference and take your chances? Why prove you belong to be #1 when you can fake it? Why play for respect when you can beat cruddy teams and watch the SEC and the Big 12 and the Big East and Pac Ten destroy each other? Ohio State clearly didn't belong in the title game this year, they clearly weren't anywhere close to the best team in the nation and they didn't deserve their #1 ranking. Most teams in the SEC and the Big 12 could have easily beat Ohio State. Therefore, the Big Ten will resist and fight to keep the BCS, because as long as we have the BCS, the Big Ten has a chance. If they were forced to play a playoff, they wouldn't even make it past the first round. Face it, the tradition and glory of the Big Ten is gone, the dominance of the SEC and Big 12 is here to stay. LSU, Florida, Georgia, Tennessee, Oklahoma, Texas, Kansas, Mizzou, and in the future Nebraska, could all beat Ohio State and Michigan. If the Big Ten continues to resist the creation of a playoff, they will lose all credibility and respect.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 28, 2008 9:48:10 AM PDT

You have stumbled upon a not a big ten problem but an american problem. The main reason they don't want to change is money. The top football teams are bascially a minor league football program...with players that are being paid by scholarships (what a great deal fo the schools)! Everywhere else in the world (with the exception of Canada and a few other countries) are sports and school mixed. In Europe club programs train young kids to eventually play proffessinonal. Here schools use the kids to can sponsorship to make money......what is the graduation rate of the top 10 college teams??? Not very high I would suspect-the kids are being used and we sit hear an take it. They should be paid.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 1, 2008 9:36:06 AM PDT
K.A.Goldberg says:
If college presidents had any guts, they would either dump big-time sports as the non-educational fraud they are, or change them so the lying and hypocrisy changed - such as taking on players without academic requirements, paying them a salary, and giving them a scholarship to study AFTER their playing days are over. Even a weeny college President should reduce coaching salaries to that of professors, and similarly limit outside income as they do with professors. Also, according to the CHRONICLE OF HIGHER EDUCATION and Rick Telander's book HUNDRED YARD LIE, college sports programs LOSE money for their host schools.

Like many others, I enjoy college football and basketball. Still, the fraud, hypocrisy, and exploitation should end. Will we ever see a college president with guts?

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Posted on Mar 29, 2009 3:51:58 AM PDT
gatorzrul says:
look complain about the bcs all you all want but your mad it hasnt worked in your favor. if your respected "team" didnt lose then they wouldnt have to worry about who gets in. i like the current system not only cause it has worked in our favor recently but it gives matches that people want to see and makes money whether its good or dirty money. this whole world has scandals going on its time to wake up and smell the coffee

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 29, 2009 5:32:25 PM PDT
I'm a Husker fan, the BCS worked our great for us back in 2001 getting us to the championship when we might not have with a playoff system. So that comment is bogus.

"if your respected "team" didn't lose then they wouldn't have to worry about who gets in."

Tell that to Auburn, who despite going undefeated lucked out on the championship game. Tell that to Boise State, tell that to Utah, both of which have gone undefeated before and didn't even get the chance to play for a title. Sure, the Gators lucked into the title game twice now and managed to get two wins, would they have done so with a playoff? Maybe, maybe not, we'll never know. Point is that if you were an Auburn fan, or a Utah fan, or a Boise State fan, you'd be with me. Its complete idiocy to support a crooked system simply because you benefit from it at the expense of others. The BCS puts together lots of games no one gives a hoot about. Did anyone watch the Orange Bowl last year? Anyone? Big East VS ACC, no one cares. The point isn't to put together games people want to see, its to put the two best teams in the title game, which they have failed to do with any sort of finality these last few years. Were the Gators the best last year? Maybe, but Utah has a legitimate argument, and so does Texas. If we had a playoff there wouldn't be any dispute. Wouldn't you want to know for sure if the Gators were the best team last year? If it were my team I'd want to know for sure just to shut everyone else the hell up. Think about it.

Posted on Mar 29, 2009 11:51:55 PM PDT
gatorzrul says:
with the exception of auburn those teams you stated are not great from year to year. i feel they got lucky, especially with an easy schedule. there was no managing to get wins both times we were underdogs and one was a blow out the other was a little tougher but still not a match. it was proven when boise state played the sooners they didnt belong i watched that game they got lucky, but i must say it was one of the best college games ive seen in a while but if they struggled with the sooners there is no way they can hang at the top. i dont support it cause we have benefitted from it and there is no expense you honestly believe utah and boise state could win the nc those years. i watch every bowl game i pay for the games and i watch them. movie reference for you on never back down the final match was one no one wanted to see so when they heard of the better match they went outside, same for football you put up teams no one wants to watch and you wull lose ratings. im not saying no one wanted to watch them go but a lot more people would rather watch a better team. like you said you dont know who the best is so how can you say "which they have failed to do with any sort of finality these last few years" they couldve picked the right teams. texas has no arguement they were not invited to play the tiebreaker cause they lost. thats why bcs takes in strength of schedule into consideration so the stronger team can make it. even if there was a playoff system people would still argue and have disputes, oh we should have been ranked higher, or we had a off day, unless every team plays everyteam we will not know for 100% sure who is better and even then who knows. everyone who disagrees with floridas winS can shut up, their respected "team" should have done more to impress and out due other teams to get to the nc. think about that

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 30, 2009 10:13:21 AM PDT
So if the Gators had been screwed over and not been allowed to play for the title either of the two years you did, would you feel the same? I doubt it.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 30, 2009 10:13:21 AM PDT
So if the Gators had been screwed over and not been allowed to play for the title either of the two years you did, would you feel the same? I doubt it.

Posted on Mar 31, 2009 2:42:18 AM PDT
gatorzrul says:
no seeing as how both years we lost a game i wouldnt feel screwed i would have said "dang if we only didnt lose that one game we could have been there" "oh well next year will be better". then i would get on here a while later when i learned of this site read the bs you wrote and laughed

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 31, 2009 9:03:48 AM PDT
That's the thing, you can go undefeated and STILL miss out on the title game, you could do everythinhg right and still miss out. Its happened before, and I bet if it had happened to you you'd be as pissed as I am.

Posted on Apr 1, 2009 10:06:18 AM PDT
I'm going to jump in and say that if you want to understand things in sports - follow the money. For example, in the 2009 Illinois state 3A basketball semi-final playoff game, a Chicago team was penalized for having a too-wide and curved piping on their jersey. As the NFHS rule states, if a team attempts to play a game with illegal uniforms, the team will be assessed a technical foul to start the game. The Chicago team ended up losing the game by one point - and a chance at the state championship. So there was outcry...was it racial (the team from Chicago was all-black), was it a power play by the state federation, was it over-zealous referee'ing?

To understand what happened, you have to realize that the National Federation of High Schools set the uniform rules and the rest of the rule book as well. Who are the sponsors of the National Federation beside the high school associations? Garment manufacturers, equipment makers, scoreboard firms, etc.. So while it may not affect anything on the court (the size of the piping on the uniform hip), it affects the money flow to the regulating agency. Illinois was simply doing the bidding of the NFHS.

So what about college football: A playoff system would minimize the revenues from the early rounds (remember, sometimes the Atlanta Braves were not selling out the 1st round of baseball playoffs during their dominent run), but would heighten the interest of the semi-final and final bowls. So if you are not likely to host the last few games, forget about the revenues to the city, hotels, tv, etc. I think the NCAA powers to be conclude that total revenue would fall, and since in different ways the NCAA shares revenue, albeit with a bias for the big conferences and a handfull of independents like Notre Dame, why implement a system which lowers the revenue. Follow the $$.

Yale R. Jaffe
author, Advantage Disadvantage

Posted on Apr 1, 2009 3:09:06 PM PDT
gatorzrul says:
if you dont have good track record of course you will get screwed. they dont want a one year blunder going in. and i agree 100% with yale. hammer on the head. same as what i said but better examples and wording its all about the cash.
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