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Wifi tablet?? Samsung 8.9; Samsung GalaxyTab2 7.0 or HTC Flyer


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Initial post: Jun 2, 2012 5:22:16 PM PDT
S. Morgan says:
I currently have the original Samsung Galaxy Tab 7.0. But wanting to upgrade keeping within the 7-9 inch. I have an HTC Rezound and have ways loved my HTC phones. Have liked my Samsung Tab but a faster processor would be nice. Mostly use for Web browsing, email, few apps, mp3 music, navigation, and use the Square app and device to run cc for business. Have also looked at the Xyboard 8.2. I like the sound out of it. I would like to spend less than $300 but quality and reliability is most important. Will be using a Verizon Hotspot for 3G/4G internet connections.

Posted on Jun 2, 2012 7:31:18 PM PDT
D. Han says:
Get the Galaxy Tab 2 7 inch - it runs the updated Ice Cream Sandwich. The HTC Flyer does not.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 2, 2012 11:32:25 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jun 2, 2012 11:32:44 PM PDT
C. Schmidt says:
Hello SM,

From your list, the Tab 2 is the best value, in terms of price/performance/features ratio. You may want to hold off on any purchases though, as there is a big show next week and a few new models are expected to be announced/released.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 3, 2012 4:43:16 AM PDT
B. Marks says:
On the other hand, the HTC Flyer has dual channel Wifi which the Galaxy Tab 2 doesn't have. The Flyer has only a single core CPU but it's running 50% faster than the dual core CPU of the Galaxy. For a single tasking computer, which an Android tablet usually is, that's important.

The Tab has a good screen and decent speakers where the HTC Flyer, according to most reviews, has a spectacular screen and very loud and clear speakers. And the Flyer comes with either 16 or 36 gig storage where the Tab has 8 gig.

In this case it's a comparison with a brand new and very nice tablet made with cost cutting in mind with a bit older tablet that was built to be worth paying a lot for.

I'm not really suggesting either tablet over the other. They're both good tablets. And ICS is a bit nicer than Froyo and Gingerbread. But there are other considerations.

Barry

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 4, 2012 8:11:19 AM PDT
S. Morgan says:
Thank You, your comments about how it out-performs is everything I love about my Rezound, so I guess it must just be HTC. With Tablets, do they get updates as Phones do? Would the Flyer get ICS?

SM

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 4, 2012 8:23:50 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jun 4, 2012 8:26:47 AM PDT
C. Schmidt says:
Yes, one gets updates like on phone, but no, the Flyer is not getting ICS (HTC confirmed, http://www.htc.com/www/help/android4faq/?cid=android4blog)). As for performance, the Flyer does not outpace the Tab 2 7". I'm not sure where Barry got his data, but it's inaccurate. Also, Android is a multi-tasking OS.

Posted on Jun 4, 2012 9:14:50 AM PDT
B. Marks says:
Which data is inaccurate?

Yes it's true that Android is multi-tasking, but the way tablets are used that's a fairly minor consideration. For very processor intensive applications which are multi-threading a dual core CPU is an advantage if they're running at the same speed. But the HTC Flyer CPU runs at 1.5 ghz while the Samsung runs at 1 ghz so for most typical apps the HTC will be a bit faster.

Here's a link to HTC's specs on the Flyer:
http://www.htc.com/jp/tablets/htc-flyer/#specs

I'm not suggesting the Flyer is the better choice. That's an individual decision. They each have their advantages. My post was a reaction to the post suggesting that since one had ICS and the other did not there was only one wise choice. I think they're both excellent tablets and excellent choices.

For the person who wants the latest (but not the greatest), the Samsung is a fine choice. They've made a few compromises to keep costs down and they've made them wisely, leaving out things that most people, including me, probably won't miss.

For someone who doesn't care about the latest thing and wants superb design and a fancy feature set the HTC is a good choice. Most people would be just as happy with either of them. I don't think there's any compelling reason to choose one over the other.

Here are a couple of links to reviews of these tablets on Mobile Tech Review
Flyer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70y78sBtDbA&feature=plcp
Samsung:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FU0JJNzMg88&feature=plcp

Barry

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 4, 2012 9:39:05 AM PDT
C. Schmidt says:
I think you will want to study up on how multi-core CPUs and GPUs work so you can understand why a 1GHz dual core can, will, and does outrun a 1.5Ghz single core. For what it's worth, here is the standard benchmark info for both.

<benchmark> <type> <higher/lower is better> <Tab 2 score> <Flyer score> <winner>
Quadrant - CPU, I/O and 3D - higher - 2,840 - 2,263 - Tab 2
Linpack - CPU - higher - 61.3 MFLOPs - 56 MFLOPS - Tab 2
NenaMark 2 - graphics - higher - 30.4 FPS - 10.9 FPS - Tab 2
Neocore - graphics - higher - 59.6 FPS - 50 FPS - Tab 2
SunSpider - web page processing - lower - 2,239.2 - 2470.2 - Tab 2

Posted on Jun 4, 2012 12:07:51 PM PDT
B. Marks says:
I had a 35 year programming career, mostly doing systems level programming, much of that on multi-core CPUs. During that time I did about 25% of my programming in Assembly, which means I dealt very directly with the CPU. In the early years I did more than a little programming and all the debugging directly in machine language. I do understand a little bit about CPUs.

When RCA got of the computer business in the mid-60's, their development team which had just developed the first OS that used virtual memory, all were suddenly out of a job and several of them, including the team leader, went to work teaching and that's who trained me. When they left that and took a job with the county they took me, a graduating student, with them and trained me. That was in the days before multi-threading and multi-tasking was supported by the OS and had to be done by the individual programmer....me, for one.

Benchmarks are good ways to compare systems and we all use them but it's good to be aware of their limitations. The only benchmark that tells you how fast an individual program will run is that individual program, when it's running. Benchmarks try very hard to cover a wide range of the most commonly performed tasks that most programs do and to do that in reasonable proportions. And the writers of those benchmark programs will be the first to tell you that they are only attempts, and while they're as reliable a way to compare systems as we have, they're not really all that reliable. No-one knowledgeable enough to write a good benchmark program thinks he's created a miracle. They're like predicting the weather: not all that great but they're the best we can do.

These are both reasonably fast CPUs. One runs at a faster speed. One has 2 cores, which makes it more capable when it can do two things at once.

Barry

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 4, 2012 12:33:21 PM PDT
C. Schmidt says:
Agreed, benchmarks are not the end all and be all. But, they are a method for running an objective apples to apples comparison on a variety of hardware. The more differing ones that are run, the broader a picture one gets of the performance of each hardware set, what it's best at and where it's weak. In terms of subjective testing, also often called "real world testing" or "end user experience," multiple reviewers, the ones that made comparisons to dual core tablets and smartphones of the time, noted that it wasn't as quick or fluid. So, we end up with both objective and subjective testing telling the same story.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 4, 2012 2:25:40 PM PDT
S. Morgan says:
Ok. I realize it is a personal choice, I have the opportunity to try out different phones so I have used HTC, Motorola, and LG Droids; and my Samsung Tablet. After using these for work purposes I realized that I was always trying to make my other droids to look and feel like my HTC; so this is also why I am considering an HTC for my tablet as well. Do you have any other suggestions for me for a tablet to consider? I really like to be able to do 90% of my time on a tablet, love to 7~9 in. size. I really like to be able to take it anywhere in any size of a purse I decide to use. Love the Driod OS, not interested in Apple.

Thanks again,
SM

Posted on Jun 4, 2012 2:56:28 PM PDT
B. Marks says:
My suggestion is to get the one that feels right. They're both excellent tablets. There isn't a best choice. It has to feel good to you.

One thing you could do is go to some stores and look the tablets over. See which tablet you like best. Tablets have a different feel than a phone because of the size difference and what you don't like on one platform may be a plus on the other.

I may have seemed to be advocating the HTC but I was only defending the thing because it had been attacked. I'm not sure which of the two I'd choose, either. But I really wouldn't worry about it much because whichever I chose would be the right one if I trusted my instincts and let myself be guided by impulse. When all your choices are good ones that's sometimes the thing to do. :)

Barry

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 4, 2012 3:17:38 PM PDT
S. Morgan says:
The problem have is that I don't have the option to hold the HTC as our Best Buy doesn't have it so I am going to have to order it online. The Samsung is at Costco so I will be able to play a bit with it. I just don't want to make a bad choice. I found a used one in Amazon for $210.00. And new for $300+

SM
Thanks Again!

Posted on Jun 4, 2012 4:16:13 PM PDT
B. Marks says:
The thing is you've settled on two tablets, both good choices. You've already eliminated any bad choices. Flip a coin. It's guaranteed to give you the right answer. :)

Barry

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 9, 2012 10:20:16 AM PDT
S. Morgan says:
Hi again. I just saw some news about a new tablet that is supposed to launch soon. The Nexus tablet that is supposed to be made by Asus. Do you have any input?

SM

Posted on Jun 9, 2012 11:04:35 AM PDT
B. Marks says:
Any comments about the new Nexus are only guesses at this point. The last I heard it's still a rumor, although a pretty likely one, that it's even made by Asus. I haven't followed this closely so there may be something definite about that by now.

If it is an Asus, they make excellent tablets and Google is going to be very fussy about this one since it's going to be their standard bearer. So I'd say the odds are very good that it'll be a really fine tablet. There are also rumors that the price will be very low.

Both Asus and Google have shown that they're sometimes capable of getting it wrong but I'd say there was a good chance this is going to be a nice one.

I just googled it and the latest rumor, supposedly a leak, says again that it's going to be an Asus and that it'll be $249 and that it will be announced at Google I/O on June 27. It's supposed to have a Tegra 3 CPU and a gig of RAM but no mention of storage capacity yet.

It's still a rumor but it seems likely. There's no mention of when it might be actually released.

I just found another story that says Asus has officially confirmed that it's making the Nexus 7 for Google. No other details though.

It's hard to know what to say about it at this point. As I recall, past Nexus products have taken a while to actually become available after they're announced. Right now the tablet market is hot and this could be a very serious competitor so maybe not.

Barry
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