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Initial post: Oct 7, 2012 8:22:26 AM PDT
Frank Garcia says:
Will Amazon sell Microsoft's Surface RT?

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 7, 2012 10:25:16 PM PDT
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Posted on Dec 21, 2012 11:55:58 PM PST
Has anyone been able to download music from Amazon Cloud Player directly on a Microsoft Surface RT? I can't get the downloader to install.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 22, 2012 4:54:08 AM PST
Frank Garcia says:
The downloader is for x86 no for ARM, the processor used in your RT. So, it will not work.

Posted on Jul 13, 2013 2:35:34 PM PDT
John Dorm says:
Surface RT only 349.00 at the Microsoft Store and at Staples. Great price for a great tablet.

Posted on Jul 24, 2013 5:28:16 PM PDT
Bryan D says:
If you are not in a rush I would wait. Haswell is the next generation Intel processor and it is shipping in some high end systems. It has a couple huge advantages. Power consumption is decreases and it is smaller. When it launches most tablets should drop in fact they seem to be now. There will be a plethora of mobile devices with this new chipset as it was designed for mobility enter the new MacBook air and other emerging tablets. Once they circulate you know what follows, more affordable alternatives. I don't see the point of buying Windows 8 RT to begin with. It is no different than a IOS or Android tablet ( a bloated phone OS) but frankly inferior usability wise. RT will not allow you to remote control desktops or use VPN applications for your workplace. If you don't care about those things it may be OK. However you can get a Windows 8 Vivo Tab with full windows to be extra safe for $399 that will run any low end app. Skype from windows store is garbage compared to Skype for desktop. RT will lock you in. Vivo Tab Windows 8 will allow you to choose. As long you don't want to read a lot of PDFs as the resolution is pretty horrible. You have to go with 1920x1200 to come close enough to the retina display on an iPad to not care about the difference. Where windows will shine is in 6 to 12 months from now when they crank out light and powerful tablets so we can ditch the iPad and Netbook. Best wishes with finding a device.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 24, 2013 5:36:08 PM PDT
Frank Garcia says:
I'm using remote desktop the whole time, I'm reading pdfs the whole time and VPN is supported but not fully, it's something that probably will be fully implemented with 8.1 release. Here is a video of Adobe Reader working
Microsoft is not planning to a release a new version of RT this year. So your advice will cost anyone 6 months or more. ;-)

Posted on Jul 24, 2013 6:01:52 PM PDT
Bryan D says:
Specifically Vivo Tab has a poor resolution 1300x. However for $399 you get full Windows 8 vs. Windows RT. A sacrifice of Resolution for flexibility. For me anything < 1900X is bad as a primary reading device in my experience. I generally read 1500 PDFs so I am pretty heavy on the reading side. Granted just like displays and televisions all of our eyes are different so that could be subjective.

Aside from that what is not subjective is the operating system choice. There are more options for X86 programs in the world of Windows Tablets. Arm processors or tablets running Windows RT limit your options. X86 based Processors such as Atom, i5 and i7 do not, enter Windows 8 operating system. There are much more mature tablets in the realm of Phone OS out there with Android or Apple. However no one else has a full mobile OS less Microsoft Windows 8. Simply put if you don't want to be restricted to the Windows Store App get the full Windows 8 as you can flexibly download all apps be it from the Windows Store or traditional applications.

I like the idea of the Surface Pro and Lenovo Helix but they are heavy and run very hot. As with any big purchase make sure you don't have a restocking fee when you buy one.

A previous post is a great example of this: Amazon Cloud Player:The downloader is for x86 no for ARM, the processor used in your RT. So, it will not work.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 24, 2013 6:11:12 PM PDT
Frank Garcia says:
It depends of what are your needs. For me it was more important to have a long battery life. So far with the form factor of a Surface RT you will not find anything close to 10 hours. So yes, you are limited to whatever applications are compiled for this architecture but you gain battery life, you don't have to worry about viruses and malware, it runs totally cold, with any Intel you will have a warm device, ARMs are at least 14% cheaper than Intel chips. And I keep going with more advantages. What you call great example of the limitations to me a great example of misinformation.

Posted on Jul 24, 2013 6:13:27 PM PDT
Frank Garcia says:
BTW, you don't need the x86 downloader to download mp3 from Amazon, you can open their site for the player and there is an option to download. An example of how powerful is this platform which come with a full version of IE and Office.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 24, 2013 8:42:24 PM PDT
Bryan D says:
Well if it depends upon needs it is all just information now isn't it? :)

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 25, 2013 4:30:55 AM PDT
Frank Garcia says:
Yes, it's. But radical statements like your initial post are misleading. The RT is as good as an iPad where you can find the same limitations that are resolved later by Apps. Same thing is happening with RT. If RT survives all the bad press and "comments" in few more months we will see apps covering current limitations, like VPN, etc. When I bought my iPad there were around 10 apps for iPad.

So, for those reading, if you feel that the Surface RT cover your needs, with battery life, email (soon to be a full Outlook), Full copy of Office and IE, buy it. You will not regret it. If there is a new version coming next year, there is eBay, get some money for the old, complete it and buy the new. But nobody will take from you all the good memories that you got from using the first version released by MS.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 25, 2013 5:39:29 AM PDT
B. Marks says:
I want to comment on the idea that "there's a new version coming next year". That's true. It's always been true. I'm sure the early hunters, when considering an upgrade for their sharpened hunting sticks pondered the idea of waiting for the new model coming next year.

If you wait till next year you'll still be faced with the worry about a new model coming next year. :)


Posted on Jul 25, 2013 6:16:52 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jul 25, 2013 6:19:08 AM PDT
Bryan D says:
Well I am sorry your feelings are hurt as a RT owner as I have spread non fuzzy RT feelings. Aside from that I would like for you to demonstrate that RT can run any Windows 8 apps like Skype for desktop and prove that I am misleading people. Download java and install JDIsk The 2 way on field it up now woot you can park by subway and then swing a right and see if it works . My VPN vendor does not support RT or Android perhaps someday. Or I can run it on windows 8 full tablets now. Where is that misleading? Anyone with windows 8 on the desktop can download apps like Skype from the App Store and see how they stack up against the desktop version. That is not misleading. You will see how there are far less apps in the store vs. competitors like Android. Anyone can see the value in moving apps they own already to a full tablet like quickbooks vs. being forced to repurchase RT apps. I cant do that with Apple , Droid, or RT. Google RT and see if you can spot the demise of RT articles. We can argue all day long. The point of these open discussions are to cover pros and cons so folks can make educated choices. I think we have both done a splendid job of that and people can choose. In the end everyone wins no matter what they buy. Just ask the merchant if they have restocking fees before buying any large item and if they do go to a merchant that doesn't. The best way to learn if an item is a good fit is to use it for a week. Nice debat :)

Posted on Jul 25, 2013 6:26:23 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jul 25, 2013 6:40:00 AM PDT
Bryan D says:
Barry there is some truth to that but consider this. I looked at the HP palm tablets for 399 and nabbed one a week later for 150. Knowing what is emerging can help your pocket book . If you don't care about Saving money buy now ( school requirements , upcoming trip, company reimbursement ). The nexus 7 is launching on the 30th of this month with 1920x1080 for 250 bucks that could be worth waiting for to see if prices drop . Or if Microsoft fast tracks their 8 inch. If you need it now don't wait. If you are in the fence be aware :)

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 25, 2013 8:33:57 AM PDT
Frank Garcia says:
Ok, it's misleading because only some vpn clients are not supported. I connect to my home network via vpn. It's misleading because I'm using remote desktop all time, if you jailbreak it you can use vnc and even run some desktop applications, you can also use teamviewer to connect remotely to any pc, anywhere in the world. And there is Skype for RT, so why I need to.use the x86 version for? It has limitations? Yes, but I don't see any one saying, don't buy an iPad because it has limitations. Tablet means that, a companion pc, no a replacement for your home PC. And you are right. It's a good debate that will educate other users.

Posted on Jul 25, 2013 8:36:35 AM PDT
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Last edited by the author on Jul 25, 2013 1:45:36 PM PDT
Bryan D says:
I see articles all the time about not buying apple I can give you plenty of reasons not to. This is a RT post. Go look at my other thread about tablet dictators. I am glad you like the tablet I want windows to prevail on many levels. Ill be supporting them when a light full os tablet launches that is affordable :)

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 25, 2013 3:37:46 PM PDT
B. Marks says:
Something coming next week, if you know about it, changes everything, of course. It's the stuff you hope might be better that's coming next year.

I bought a netbook a couple of years ago and I'm very glad I did. What if I'd waited for the better one next year. For netbooks there was no next year. :)

I don't use it often but when I need it I need it and it's extremely useful. I'm glad I have it.


Posted on Jul 25, 2013 5:41:09 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jul 25, 2013 5:42:19 PM PDT
Bryan D says:
Riddle me this. The G37 is being replaced within a couple months by the Q series. The price will drop significantly . I know every year to there is a new model but it takes roughly 4 years for a significant change in engine and body style. So the prices of the car drop every 4 years as you can predict give or take. If you are on year 3.5 it is easy to predict that prices are going to drop. Do you wait a few months or spend extra money. That may depend if you really need that vehicle or not. You act ad if i am saying wait forever for the next product. Take processors say ivy bridge comes out. It is out for some time. Then they have a mid life upgrade. Ok a new processor is coming at some point. We are past mid life upgrade and have the new has well processor. So I say reap the benefit of haswell lowering all other windows tablets in the near future. Or wait and buy haswell mid life at a good price if you are not in a rush :)

Posted on Jul 25, 2013 6:25:48 PM PDT
Bryan D says:
You raise an interesting point though. I would not fear the form factor going away but I did see ultra books replace netbooks with better features all be it they were the same size( HDMI, LED, Faster Proc) . There was a small price hike say $350 vs $199. So waiting too long could backfire locking you into a upgraded product but price reset. I would say if you are interested in the RT also look at the ASUS ASUS VivoTab RT TF600T-B1-GR 10.1-Inch 32 GB Tablet (Gray) 2012 Model . I liked the screen size but the resolution did note bode well with me. It is light did not seem terribly hot. It could run all apps x86 and RT. You could get up close and personal with both at Best-buy and see if they are equals or if RT is much better.

Frank, How involved in Jail-braking the RT? Rooting can be a pain for some devices and Jail braking iphone is super easy. Are you saying that I could run my VPN and Full Office and on an RT. I did not have to with the ASUS. I have a coworker that owns an RT who might find that very useful. Cheers my new found amazon buddies.

Posted on Jul 25, 2013 6:32:23 PM PDT
B. Marks says:
I guess it just depends on what you want to do with your money. The way I do it, since I don't have a lot of money, is save till I have enough money to get what I want. I'm rarely in a hurry. I save as long as it takes. When I'm ready I buy it.

I usually keep up with the industry so if there's something new coming along and I know about it and I think it's worth waiting for I might decide to wait. But if it's a week away that's not a week of waiting. That means a week till it's available and at least a month and probably 2 or 3 months till I've seen reviews and user feedback and problems and solutions and the tablet has a bit of history. If i'm not willing to wait for all that I buy what's available now.

It's probably worth noting that I don't have to have the latest and greatest. At any one time there are usually a number of things that will meet my needs and make me happy and it's never a problem to just pick the best at the moment. If I feel like waiting I will.


Posted on Jul 25, 2013 6:39:34 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jul 25, 2013 6:56:25 PM PDT
Bryan D says:
You sound like a wise consumer :) I am at the point now where I just need the right device as I sold my ipad 3 months ago. The article below sums up my experience with the display. So for me a mouse and 1920 x 1200 and weight are the biggest factors. I am steering clear of the Asus Ininity and RT as it is pricey for a big phone ( the Asus looks pretty). I may just get the nexus 7 and wait it out. If RT was 1920 X 1200 I would almost consider it after Franks Jail break feedback.

* Most consumers are unlikely to notice much of a visual difference in photos and videos because they are inherently fuzzy - it's really only critical for providing visually sharp text.
* The Surface RT was significantly sharper than on the iPad 2 and all 1280x800 10 inch Android Tablets, but it wasn't as sharp as the iPad 3.

This boasts that Haswell will be out later this year with full procs that perform like ARM processors.

An Intel spokesperson has confirmed that Intel is not done with its mobile processor assault, prepping a new Haswell chip for release later this year, that will make mobile device makers drool.

The fourth generation Core iX processor will consume just 4.5 watts of power, compared to the lowest power envelope of 6 watts that the most frugal current member of the Haswell family has, and come without the need for fan cooling, making it the fist Core line CPU to do that.

This will put Intel's CPUs right up the alley of ARM-based processors, offering long battery life and fanless design, but with much more powerful performance, and the ability to run full-blown Windows 8. Needless to say the 4.5 watts fanless Haswell is destined for tablets and convertibles, and something tells us we might see it in the second Microsoft Surface generation, as Intel said it will be available in limited quantities later this year.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 21, 2014 3:34:18 PM PST
I have brought the fact that Amazon's Cloud Player doesn't run on my Surface 2 to Amazon's MP3 technical People's attention. Wonder whether they will get a version for the Surface 2.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 21, 2014 5:32:52 PM PST
Frank Garcia says:
Well, you can use the web version. It works for me without installing anything.
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