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Posted on May 19, 2010 11:58:23 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on May 19, 2010 12:01:26 PM PDT
Actually neither method is ideal. The best way to do it is to be around the people who speak your target language and who will speak it with you consistently (obviously Latin doesn't apply here). Classrooms have their limits. I spent a few years acing my Spanish classes in Jr. High through College, but I never could speak with any real fluency (the grammar I had down pat). While some teach-yourself programs are worthless, there are some which will in fact do a better job than a classroom.

In any case, it certainly is not a "disaster" either way.

Posted on May 19, 2010 11:58:54 AM PDT
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Posted on May 19, 2010 12:02:06 PM PDT
Don't know why the multiple posts. I deleted all but one.

In reply to an earlier post on May 19, 2010 1:02:05 PM PDT
Innana says:
CHL-- for adult learning this is not the best way. Adult learners of a second language need different methods. I would be surprised if a teach-yourself program where no native speaker is heard can be better than a course where you hear and converse.

And my original comment was about learning from people who don't know what they're teaching.

I hope medical school doesn't come up with this idea.

Posted on May 19, 2010 3:39:27 PM PDT
"I hope medical school doesn't come up with this idea."

I'll never understand why people must go to such extremes. Just yesterday I saw a post from someone who was anti-homeschooling that suggested a homeschooling parent teaching was equivalent to doing at-home brain surgery without a medical degree. Obviously there are some things that require training and education to master.

As for teaching Latin without knowing it already, let's be practical. The purpose of learning Latin is to gain a better understanding of the English language (derived primarily from Latin), to engage the mind in a different from of grammar and syntax, and to gain a better understanding of the classical world.

If my kids end up with atrocious Latin grammar, no one will be injured by it. Their choices of universities and career fields won't be effected (unless they decide to be Latin majors, I suppose). And they'll still be better off than the millions of kids who can't speak or write English with proficiency.

Latin is an academic subject, not a practical one like learning any other foreign language.

Posted on May 20, 2010 10:34:03 AM PDT
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Posted on May 20, 2010 10:44:55 AM PDT
Bibliophile says:
So much bickering, can we get back to the topic of the text book and not the value of a home schooled education?

Posted on May 20, 2010 10:45:04 AM PDT
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N.M. says:
Innana,

By your own admission you don't know much about homeschooling. We cannot possibly supply the experience in a few paragraphs.

Earlier you said you didn't have an argument, you had a question. That's partially true. You also had a statement which was a criticism.

As for the med school comment, med school SHOULD encourage self education. Learning how to learn is the basis of the scientific method

I would argue that all learning is self directed. The best teacher in the world cannot MAKE a student learn. Anyone who teaches themselves Latin can quickly adjust, adapt, improve, as did daVinci. (Yes, he too taught himself Latin.)

Too, we homeschool parents have a few active brain cells. Could it be we understand alternative academic paths a bit better than you do? This is not a slam - we have spent more time studying and absorbing learning models.

If you remain unconvinced, fine, but please don't expect others to buy into your skepticism.
I respect what you're saying - but I see a world larger than that.

In reply to an earlier post on May 20, 2010 6:09:56 PM PDT
Yes, I'm going to make my last comment and then stop tracking this conversation -- my inbox is getting too full of Amazon comments in general.

The strawman comment about medical school was dumb and already refuted by Brieana, so I'll let it be.

Back on the subject of languages. I stated my preference on Latin courses and others stated theirs. As far as teaching oneself languages in general, there are many self-teaching courses that use native speakers. Clearly you have not heard them. I had a couple of non-native Spanish teachers in school, so you don't always get natives there, either. Also it depends on why you're taking a language as to what you do to learn it. Are you going to work as a government spy? Are you going to be a missionary in another country? Do you just want to take a vacation somewhere and "get by"? Or is it like Brieana said--learning Latin to understand English better? Homeschoolers reasons for learning Latin are generally just that, along with getting a credit or two of languages in high school for transcript purposes and for being able to read Cicero or Caesar in Latin.

Innana, if you don't have an opinion on a Latin course, then I'm not sure why you commented. Now I'm going to bow out of this conversation and let's get it back on track: Latin courses (which also helps in understanding ALL the romance languages, not just English). If you can't learn without an "expert" on hand for everything, fine. The rest of us tend to be dedicated self-learners and like it that way.

Posted on May 20, 2010 8:03:53 PM PDT
Bibliophile, you're right, the discussion was supposed to be about Latin courses. I'm sorry I let my passion get involved. :)

As for courses, my preference is Prima Latina for first year, followed by Latina Christiana I and II. I haven't gotten any farther than that.

Good luck everyone!

Posted on Mar 30, 2012 10:37:10 PM PDT
I laud all efforts--regardless of the modus operandi--to keep the classical world alive. So, kudos to all who contribute. Remember the Mad Hatter in Alice and Wonderland stated, "If you don't know where you're going, then any road will get you there." It's an interesting concept.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 31, 2012 1:46:52 PM PDT
Lynne says:
Hi, used the Wheelock Latin texts for 4 years - agree with previous posts about other recommendations - one of the biggest problems with Wheelock and the modern student is that most students today do not have the foundation of grammar Wheelock's texts assume are present-

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Posted on Apr 19, 2012 11:46:21 AM PDT
Summer Soft says:
The problem with starting out with older texts like Wheelock's is that it assumes the reader already has a solid background in english grammar and structure, which (especially if you're in a public school) most students do not.

I learned with Cambridge Latin Course when I was a kid, which was fine, although much of the cultural information it supplied was incorrect and misleading. The revised 'Introduction to Latin' from Shelmerdine is really great for a beginning student- it'll take you through all the tenses, moods, active and passive voices, etc. Most importantly, it will teach you how to identify passive verbs, relative clauses, etc. in English. My only issue is that it waits way, way too long to introduce the subjunctive. Translations include english to Latin, and short-medium sized passages from Caesar, Cicero, Livy etc., some of them adapted to fit where you are in the text.
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