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Initial post: Sep 14, 2011 5:54:41 PM PDT
N. Miller says:
Does anyone know if these are acceptable to sell back? Also are the extra discs really needed or must those be included also? Thanks

Posted on Sep 16, 2011 11:21:22 AM PDT
As a parent, I have bought several instructor editions of textbooks and found them very helpful. So I know they have been sold on Amazon in the past. The disks are also helpful. Of course the instructor editions have been much more expensive than the student textbook.

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 21, 2011 5:19:08 AM PDT
T. Laub says:
Most instructors get their books free of charge from the publisher, and such books are usually stamped with something like "Desk Copy, not for resale" or words to that affect. When an instructor obtains a desk copy, s/he essentially agrees to certain terms that forbid reselling the book when you are done with it. To the best of my knowledge, this restriction restriction is not enforced. In my opinion, it is ethically wrong to re-sell a book that you got for free.

Disks should always be included with a re-sold book. Standard texts often include study guides that some students find helpful and similar ancillary materials that some teachers actually assign. Students buying used books on the net often complain when they books arrive without the disks. Instructor editions often contain the same disks that come with the student edition and another disk with prefabricated tests and powerpoint presentations for use in class. Lazy teachers use these sorts of things, but they often focus on details at the expense of the big picture. History should be much, much more that a laundry list of names, dates, and battles. Aside from a few maps and pictures, I use neither the ancillary materials that come with the student edition nor the pre-fabricated rubbish in the teaching edition, but your mileage may vary.

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 28, 2011 11:33:39 AM PDT
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Posted on Jan 13, 2012 7:11:03 AM PST
Marc Edwards says:
Many instructors receive these "review" copies from the publishers without asking for them. Federal law regarding interstate commerce states that if you receive something in the mail that was unsolicited, it is your property to dispose of as you wish. In this case, many book buyers purchase these books to resell on the internet. Unfortunately, Amazon makes a point of not allowing these books to be sold (although many are sold here anyway). They should definitely NOT be sold at a higher price as they usually do not contain any additional information that is usefull to students.

Posted on Jan 17, 2012 6:48:17 PM PST
I have bought the instructor's editions on Amazon in the past. I have found them helpful.

Posted on Mar 15, 2012 8:52:30 AM PDT
C.N, says:
Often textbook sellers sell the Global edition and the Instructors edition under the original version. Buy back will not accept these versions. The ISBN must be an exact match otherwise they wont take them.

Btw, the Global version is almost always cheaper then the U.S. version but they still sell them at the same price.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 20, 2012 5:54:32 AM PDT
Hunter says:
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In reply to an earlier post on Mar 21, 2012 11:03:11 AM PDT
William Carr says:
I agree. Which is why I have "fair" prices on my textbooks. But saying that it's wrong to sell something you got for free... that would put the oil industry out of business.

Posted on May 26, 2012 10:25:02 AM PDT
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Posted on Jun 6, 2012 10:30:28 PM PDT
sue says:
Selling instructor copies is a bit of a conundrum. Libraries and thrift stores do not seem concerned about selling donations, in order to make money for their non-profits. Instructors often donate their unsolicited texts to thrift stores or libraries. If someone buys this book from that store, then that person did not get it for free, so is it unethical to re-sell it?

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 12, 2012 10:27:46 AM PDT
CDaniels says:
I think the post was alluding to the fact that oil companies get tax breaks to the point of paying no taxes at all. That means they get roads built, connections to water and electrical grids, basically all infrastructure and services funded by taxes. And its not just oil companies. These tax breaks are essentially funding industry by means of providing free services. So while it looks like gov't is getting "out of the way," they are actually getting a free ride from taxpayers without accountability.

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 1, 2012 9:06:02 AM PDT
Much of the ancillary material is well researched and quite valueable.Referring to people that use it as lazy is just arrogant and judgemental on your part. Get over yourself.

Posted on Sep 1, 2012 5:09:21 PM PDT
Unless I missed something (I didn't read every post in its entirety, just merely skimmed), it doesn't look like anyone has mentioned the simple fact that Instructor Editions (and International Editions, for that matter), are NOT allowed to be sold here according to the rules. Period. International editions also aren't allowed to be traded in (it doesn't mention teacher's editions, but that would also be a matter of the book not matching the listing). So, whether or not people find them helpful, or whatever, is irrelevant. Any third-party seller that lists them here is violating the rules, and risks getting their selling account shut down. So, personally, I wouldn't be doing it. Craigslist might be a better option.

Posted on Oct 27, 2012 7:19:36 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Oct 27, 2012 7:19:54 PM PDT
Dude says:
I wish all textbooks were teacher's editions. Even when I buy the solution manual, I can only check my work on the odd problems! So half of the exercises are useless to me. What a rip-off.

Posted on Aug 27, 2013 6:12:39 PM PDT
so where can i buy Instructor Edition books!!!???

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 5, 2013 1:42:49 PM PDT
Drago says:
I totally agree with this reasoning, but I'll make an exception. If a book is in the market, meaning a current edition, that is a fair argument. Publishers are to make money from sales, but if it is an older edition with no sales possible, I see no harm in selling them for a small profit. the point is if it is legal or not, I don't know. Like to hear comments.

Posted on Dec 26, 2013 11:42:17 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 26, 2013 11:48:11 PM PST
Denni says:
It's my understanding that those vender samples as 'not for resale' and such, only applies to people that have a written agreement with the publisher (like official reviewers or large universities). I've also heard that a few states regulate sample books.

Otherwise, if not banned by your state laws and you do not have a written agreement with the publisher...feel free to do whatever you wish with your textbooks, same as any other used book. Many books are given away (by publishers & book owners) and nobody lays a big guilt trip on other people that wish to sell or trade books they received for free...so why bitch just because it happens to be a textbook?

I guess you could just toss it in the garbage bin, but wasting paper/ink/natural resources is a whole different sin...kind of a no win situation. As a volunteer in a small school library, we have boxes and boxes of teacher sample textbooks...if they can't be sold, just what should do with all those books?

Posted on Jan 8, 2014 8:23:26 AM PST
I've picked up instructor's editions here before- usually for cheap. Math books hardly change at all- the covers get prettier, and the electronic stuff no one uses gets updated, but that's pretty much it. I've been really happy picking up college algebra, trigonometry, and discrete math instructors' editions. Being able to check your work all of the time is pretty awesome. Plus, if you can find an ancient edition that no one uses anymore, it's pretty cheap. I think I got an instructor's edition for trigonometry that was around $6 with prime shipping. Didn't need a student edition, because it was just basically a regular math book with ALL of the answers in the back. Instructor editions vary, though. I bought an instructor's edition of Stewart's Calculus (6th ed, I think), and it was exactly the same as the student edition, it just said 'Instructor' on the cover. I was sad, but at $6, not heartbroken. If you're taking discrete math as a class, you owe it to yourself to get an (old) copy of Suzanne Epps's book and the corresponding teacher manual. Very cheap and will make your life a LOT easier.

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 11, 2014 9:36:08 AM PDT
M. Comme says:
Question... Do the teacher's edition textbooks include the entire problems worked out in order to check all the work or do they only include the final answers? I am looking to purchase a teacher's edition textbook that is very very costly because it's new but before I purchase, I want to make sure that it has all the problems worked out. Thank you

Posted on Nov 8, 2014 8:58:32 PM PST
Uh, I encountered this type of question about a month ago, so I'll paste my answer here too:

While not illegal per se, it is highly offensive to the academic community to even have rumors floating about such conduct. Moreover, you can be held civilly and criminally responsible if you complete a course with an instructor's/docent's master text. Fraud on a resume is being prosecuted! (May not apply to this particular query). It means that people who may not have the skills needed are getting jobs they are not educated to execute--this is FRAUD. You can be pursued by the U.S. Dept. of Education, have loans be made payable immediately, face a short jail sentence (usually it's a hefty fine), and the databases we educators use (National Student Clearinghouse--it has the educational history of nearly every student in the past 20+ years; the universities/colleges willingly submit this information to them...you don't get a say. There's also LexisNexis, MelissaData, etc.)

To give you an example of the seriousness, here is the warning placed on the first page of a chemistry text, instructor's master (I teach organometallic and radiochemistry @ an East Coast University):

"This work is protected by United States and international copyright laws and is provided solely for the use of instructors in teaching their courses and assessing student learning. Dissemination or sale of any part of these works (including on the Internet) will destroy the integrity of the work and is not permitted. The work and materials from it should never be made available to students except by instructors using the accompanying text in their classes. All recipients of this work are expected to abide by these restrictions and to honor the intended pedagogical purposes and the needs of other instructors who rely on these materials."

Pearson Education Online Instructor Resource Center Warns similarly (for those attempting to acquire instructor resources such as textbooks, test banks, answer keys, etc.):

"If you're an instructor who's using or considering using Pearson products and are currently teaching at an educational institution, we'll be happy to grant you access. But first, we must contact your institution to verify that you're an instructor and that you're the person who made the request. Please note that this process may take several days.

If you're a student and you try to gain access, your request will be shared with your school and you'll be subject to the disciplinary processes and full range of sanctions provided by your school's academic honesty policies. If you're looking for resources to help you in your courses, we invite you to visit our website for students at www.mypearsonstore.com.

Please note that any information you enter during the request process can be traced directly back to you by way of your Internet session ID."

THIS IS NO JOKE. It may have been mailed to you, and it in that scenario it is yours in MOST cases, unless the material is licensed, and then it remains the property of the publisher. They certainly do not want you distributing it, so in that case, you would be responsible to notify them of the error/other reason you somehow obtained the text, and either offer to destroy it for them, or ask that they have a shipping call-tag issued to retrieve the work, in no circumstances should you be held liable to pay to return it--but that doesn't mean you may do with it as you wish.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 9, 2014 10:42:20 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Nov 9, 2014 10:45:00 AM PST
Denni says:
Jonathan, there are legitimate and illegitimate uses for a Teacher Edition text. Judgement aside, the OP merely asks if Teacher Edition texts may be (legally) sold back to Amazon....in which case the answer is YES.

As for who may purchase a Teacher Edition text, the secondary use may be legitimate or not. As for myself, I volunteer at a local school and sometimes purchase TE texts for use by our staff (or submit recommendations to admin)...say our original copy has been lost, need a second copy for home use by a teacher (in addition to a classroom copy), or we've added a second teacher and we need a TE copy that matches our existing student edition. Homeschool parents and Homeschool Co-op instructors also have legitimate use for TEs. A student may audit a class and use a TE because to do so does not affect their grade.

"...-but that doesn't mean you may do with it as you wish..." This is untrue. Unless I have a written contract with the publisher, I can buy, sell, or trade the text as I wish. It is not my obligation (nor do I have the skill set) to determine or judge the intentions of a buyer. I am only responsible for myself, and my use for the book (and it's content). I am not qualified to function as Book Police, and like 99.99% of the population, do not have the training to do so.

OTOH, if you are referring to CONTENT, such as copyright, plagiarism, reprinting/copying, etc. That is an entirely different matter....and yes, such infractions are serious and pursued by schools, publishers, and authors.

You also mention Pearson Online Resources...this is TOTALLY different than a print textbook (and protected by different laws). Online/internet/e-book content is different (and subject to different laws) than print books. TOTALLY different subject.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 30, 2014 4:43:14 PM PST
Dear Marc,

Thank you for your message. I had a question for you. Do you have a source for this federal law? Do states have specific laws pertaining to sale of textbooks?

N

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 30, 2014 4:47:08 PM PST
Dear Denni,

How would you check up specific state rules pertaining to this?

N
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