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Initial post: Mar 31, 2012 7:06:07 AM PDT
Sky says:
First of all....Hi, everyone! Nice to have a Reviewer Forum.

I'm guessing that it's come up once or twice already, so I apologize if this is beating a subject to death that has already been discussed ad nauseam, and I apologize if this sounds pompous, but....

Do you think, like I do, that the NO vote discourages good, honest reviewers from even writing a review? Do you think, like I do, that the NO vote could be abolished and that a review can simply be judged by the amount of YES votes that it has relative to other reviews on a product page?

I believe that I wrote a fair, honest and I dare (pompously) say well-written review for a cult movie called Battle Royale. I'm getting clobbered by NO votes from fans of the film who clearly are NO voting me based on their offense at my opinion versus whether the review was actually helpful in making a purchase decision.

I lost 20 points off my reviewer rank for my Battle Royale review in two days. I like being a Top Reviewer, but if I'm jeopardy of losing that status because I write an unfavorable, honest review about a product that has a loyal following I won't do it anymore. And if other reviewers are avoiding writing unfavorable reviews for the same reason, doesn't that only fallaciously tip the scales for inferior products to higher ranked 4 and 5 star average ratings?

I knew it would happen with my Battle Royale review and even said as much in the review (probably didn't help my cause). But this is not isolated to just my Battle Royale review. Following is a link to the review....Is it really "unhelpful"? I don't believe that the NO vote count appropriately reflects the content of the review; hence, could the NO vote be abolished altogether? http://www.amazon.com/review/R314T31RC6A5IC/ref=cm_cr_rdp_perm

Posted on Mar 31, 2012 7:31:14 AM PDT
Sky, this is a long, long, long-running topic. If you look through the discussions in this forum you will find threads on the topic. I'm sure you will find them interesting.

Posted on Mar 31, 2012 8:06:50 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Mar 31, 2012 8:14:19 AM PDT
Sky says:
Hi, MC. I figured as much. Sorry. I'll try a search. (LOL, I'm getting NO voted here too, so I guess it's me!)

Edit: And after a quick search I have found the discussions. Sorry for the redundant post, everyone. Here are links to some recent discussions on the topic for anyone interested....

http://www.amazon.com/forum/top%20reviewers/ref=cm_cd_tfp_ef_tft_tp?_encoding=UTF8&cdForum=Fx2Z5LRXMSUDQH2&cdThread=Tx9QWG954T7GAP

http://www.amazon.com/forum/top%20reviewers/ref=cm_cd_tfp_ef_tft_tp?_encoding=UTF8&cdForum=Fx2Z5LRXMSUDQH2&cdThread=Tx1Q8PHAOUC61DZ

Posted on Mar 31, 2012 8:30:07 AM PDT
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Sky, just to be nice, I'm going to put up a brief history of the Not Helpful Vote
1. It can be used to vote down a review that isn't helpful (such as "I haven't read this book but....")
2. It can mean "I don't agree with your point of view.
3. It can me "I hate this product and hate that anyone reviewed it.
4. It can mean "If I vote 'no', I can push this review down in visibility"
5 It can mean "It's a bad day, the rent is due, I have a headache and I just feel like pressing 'not helpful'
6. It can mean "this review got so many positive votes, I have to smutch it up to keep the reviewer humble."

Since the vote is binary "helpful/not helpful" it is impossible to tease out the meaning of the vote. You can kinda guess however; if you review Ameritopia by Mark Levin, your negative votes will come from people who possibly disagree with the book's assertions, more than likely. If you say you despise the latest album of Lady Gaga, fans will vote no because they liked it and they disagree with your point of view, even if it's well-stated.

Posted on Mar 31, 2012 8:37:17 AM PDT
New Yorker says:
You should delete the entire second paragraph of your review, which states:

"If you've never seen Battle Royale, please read on. If you are a fan of this movie you may proceed forthwith to NO Vote me for this review."

You're essentially putting the idea of no voting you into people's heads, and they are obliging you.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 31, 2012 8:51:42 AM PDT
Sky says:
Thanks, Joanna.

And you're right, New Yorker, I should delete that paragraph. Was trying a little reverse psychology, but clearly that has backfired. I said it, so I'll take my medicine for it. Funny, I have now also succeeded in adding a bunch of NO votes to the review since my post on this forum this morning. I'm not feeling like the brightest bulb in the bag today.
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In reply to an earlier post on Mar 31, 2012 9:02:24 AM PDT
New Yorker says:
Well I read your review and I found it helpful. I had never heard of the movie, but I love The Hunger Games. I'm off to read about Battle Royale on Wiki, but first I'll give you a helpful vote :)

Posted on Mar 31, 2012 10:55:11 AM PDT
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Sky says:
Thank you, fellow NYer! Sad and surprised to see that there are so many NO votes flying around this forum too. I'd like to think those are from lurkers versus fellow Top Reviewers.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 31, 2012 11:08:53 AM PDT
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The good news, Sky, is that an accumulation of negative votes on a forum post merely hides the post from immediate view; you have to click on "show it anyway" to see it. So if you are quickly scanning the forum, you might miss someone's remarks, but if you are following a thread, you go click and so what, a click. Oh wow, my finger got so sore pressing that mouse button once. And it has no real bearing on anything except visibility. So most people ignore the troll-dom or fan-dom of the forum voting.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 31, 2012 3:02:00 PM PDT
"Do you think, like I do, that the NO vote discourages good, honest reviewers from even writing a review?"

If reviewers are that scared of a negative vote they do not deserve to be reviewers at amazon. End of story. If they
are scared of negative votes what will they think of negaitive comments or someone somewhere on a blog talking about them negatively? Posting reviews at amazon takes bravery. Trust me when I say that doing so could land you in the news.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 31, 2012 4:19:29 PM PDT
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P. B. Sharp says:
"Sad and surprised to see that there are so many NO votes flying around this forum too." Don't be sad! There are ornery people hovering everywhere who love to throw a monkey wrench into the works. Vine remarks are especially lovely bait for the nay sayers, but I figure even if I get a bunch of zeros in this forum, it means somebody read my remarks, and zeros are better than nothing at all!

Posted on Mar 31, 2012 7:23:48 PM PDT
Wandrwoman says:
Sky,
I seem to get at least one negative vote for anything I post on this forum. For the most part, don't worry about it. Negative forum votes can be, however, instructional. If it is a lively discussion and you start racking up lots of no votes compared to other contributors, you know that you are not being agreed with or you are thought to be off topic. That happened to me not too long ago and I took my sub topic off line and shot off an email instead.

Posted on Mar 31, 2012 9:08:05 PM PDT
Peter says:
I call it the rule of threes. Get one positive vote and three negatives...and the universe remains intact.

Posted on Mar 31, 2012 9:24:06 PM PDT
Sky says:
Hi, Rebecca. You say, "If reviewers are that scared of a negative vote they do not deserve to be reviewers at amazon."

Perhaps, Rebecca, but the fact is that many reviewers that write good, honest reviews here at Amazon are indeed interested in being a high ranked Amazon Reviewer. And NO votes ain't gonna get them to the top.

Hey, PB. You say, "even if I get a bunch of zeros in this forum, it means somebody read my remarks."

Excellent point, PB. And that's really why we're all here anyway, right?

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 31, 2012 10:07:46 PM PDT
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gone says:
Your discussion is great I have not seen the other one. I can't believe you are complaining you have tons of yes votes. That in itself is a grand accomplishment, congratulations. I only have a measly 40 votes. Like you my last review was clobbered with no votes. I got so angry I left nasty comments to the other reviewers. They should REMOVE the no vote. The comments too while they are at it. Some teenager left me an insulting comment on my Madonna Book review by Christopher Anderson and I lost it. I can't control my mouth when I get a nasty comment. I was even reported for abuse in at least 5 or more occasions. I will take a look at your review now and let you know what I think.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 31, 2012 10:14:38 PM PDT
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Peter says:
You have a peculiar phenomena going on with your reviews. Great percentage, but curiously only 46 total votes on 197 reviews. I dont believe i have ever seen the numbers so out of whack before.
edit: 194 reviews

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 31, 2012 10:15:30 PM PDT
gone says:
I read your review and it's kind of extreme. I did a review on Rihanna's Concert like that and it got plagued with no votes but when I edited the review the no votes stopped. Maybe you should tone it down to sound less harsh?... Just a thought. That beginning made me LOL. You mention NO votes that will be sure to trigger more just to mess with you. I'd remove it. Hope I'm not being too blunt, just giving my honesty. You write fantastic!

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 31, 2012 10:16:57 PM PDT
gone says:
Yeah isn't that odd, I can't figure it either :)

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In reply to an earlier post on Mar 31, 2012 10:24:11 PM PDT
Peter says:
I dont vote on comments. Dont be paranoid.

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In reply to an earlier post on Mar 31, 2012 10:35:06 PM PDT
Peter says:
I would, but you know, the image wold either be in your face or need to be viewed under a microscope. I really cant say which. :)
I have been considering putting a real pic of myself on my profile though. The only problem is i drool every time i see the beers i currently have up, and cant bring myself to take them down.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 31, 2012 10:35:33 PM PDT
Peter says:
the proverbial park bench

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 31, 2012 11:37:08 PM PDT
Sky - I only get about one negative vote per review so I'm not at all afraid of negative votes. I get a bit fiesty if a troll arrives and attacks me but it only makes me write more and more reviews. Most trolls are trying to get you to stop reviewing by giving you negative votes. If you don't stop...they lose.
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