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Initial post: Jan 9, 2012 6:12:48 PM PST
Spawnie7 says:
Amazon why would you agree to collect sales tax in only my state? 50% of the reason why I shop here is because I instantly save 7%. Now I have 7% more reason to shop your competitors. Good luck.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 9, 2012 6:46:39 PM PST
federname says:
You are only saving 7% by failing to pay the mandatory state Use Tax for items you purchase from Internet vendors in other states and have delivered to you in Indiana. See http://www.in.gov/dor/4006.htm#use.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 9, 2012 6:50:37 PM PST
Spawnie7 says:
Booo to you Amazon. I'm guessing they are receiving tax abatements in concession to start collecting sales tax. Amazon FIRED all of their affiliates in California when CA passed the law saying Amazon had to start collecting sales tax there. They hired lawyers and fought this legislation tooth and nail, so why are they so willing to do it for Indiana now? What's in it for them? Well Amazon's customers lose and Amazon gains. I won't be shopping there any more.

To all of you who are saying we are tax evaders, you are sadly mistaken. Every week I pay federal, state, and local income tax along with Social Security and Medicaid out of my paycheck. THEN I get in my car, which I pay excise tax every year, sales tax when I purchased it, and federal and state taxes on the gasoline that fuels it. I don't live in Ft. Wayne so public transportation is not an option. Once I get home, which I pay property tax and sales tax on utility services, I realize I need something. So I go to the store and purchase something, whether necessity or not, I pay another 7% on sales taxes on money that has already been taxed. This adds up and is getting RIDICULOUS.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 9, 2012 7:40:29 PM PST
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federname says:
Whether or not you pay other city, state and federal taxes, you are still legally obligated to pay Indiana's Use Tax for items you order from Amazon and have shipped to you. Amazon's business advantage in Indiana (and California) has been based on their customers' willingness to avoid paying Use Tax. You're not alone by any means, but you're also technically in violation of Indiana state law. Your issue is with the Indiana state legislature, not with Amazon.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 9, 2012 7:45:39 PM PST
Spawnie7 says:
Amazon is voluntarily selling out their customers so yes my issue is with Amazon. Just because something is law doesn't mean its right. Slavery, segregation, woman's suffrage have all been legal issues the government has been on the wrong side of the law. Excessive taxes are another shining example and since the government has no interest in being good stewards of tax dollars or reducing the tax rates willingly then I will do it on my own.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 10, 2012 3:19:08 AM PST
Dienne says:
You're not seriously equating sales tax with slavery, are you?

Posted on Jan 10, 2012 6:23:33 AM PST
C. Scanlon says:
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In reply to an earlier post on Jan 10, 2012 10:03:54 AM PST
Teahouse Fox says:
No, really... look it up. Some states are squirrelly about their sales/use tax. Technically, if you buy an item online, even if the vendor doesn't charge you the sales tax, you owe it to the state.

That said, I've yet to get a straight answer out of my state about how the use tax kicks in. They don't seem to care about small piddly purchases, but if you buy something big, they certainly do care about it. Even when I called the state comptroller's office, I got vague and uninterested responses about paying the tax for small online purchases.

I'm sure if I were to buy a car online, they'd be knocking on my door.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 10, 2012 5:42:35 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Jan 10, 2012 6:13:52 PM PST
Spawnie7 says:
@Dienne.
Taxes are a form of slavery. If you know anything about the American Revolution, it was started over.........TAXES. IF you don't pay them not only do you get locked up and fined. Your property gets auctioned off. Either pay your taxes or have your life completely and utterly destroyed. How is that a choice? We are forced to pay them. According to the national tax foundation's website, Indiana's 2011 tax freedom day was 95 days into the year. How would you feel that 95 working days out of a year (depending on your state)that you are working every penny of those days goes to some form of taxation? Personally this makes me sick and I'm tired of it, so other than voting, my only other option is to raise my voice against the acceptance of how we are taxed. I think it's time people stood up to the corrupt politicians and the status quo to take back our country.

My biggest grief isn't the fact the state is getting their sales tax because I rarely buy stuff online. I know the day of sales tax free shopping online is coming to an end. Its amazon and their hypocrisy that cost hundreds or thousands of people their jobs in California that upsets me and why I made this thread. They were leading the crusade against collecting sales tax on internet purchases but then sold out customers in Indiana willingly.

Posted on Jan 10, 2012 5:48:07 PM PST
Wandrwoman says:
Indiana is not alone. We in New York State have been charged sales tax by Amazon for quite some time now. Amazon is not to blame, New York State is.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 10, 2012 5:54:20 PM PST
Spawnie7 says:
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Posted on Jan 10, 2012 6:02:42 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Jan 10, 2012 6:03:16 PM PST
Shane - AFR says:
"Taxes are a form of slavery. If you don't pay them not only do you get locked up and fined. Your property gets auctioned off. Either pay your taxes or have your life completely and utterly destroyed. How is that a choice?"

Is someone forcing you to live here? If you don't like paying taxes move to a country that doesn't have them.

As my dad used to say. "Don't let the door hit you in the a--."

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 10, 2012 6:10:07 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Jan 10, 2012 6:11:20 PM PST
Spawnie7 says:
Lol love it or leave it approach. Big thinker there Shane. Did you even read a word of what I wrote? I don't think there is any country that doesn't have taxes which makes your suggestion moronic. I never once said there shouldn't be taxes. This thread is about Amazon's hypocrisy that cost people their jobs. The catalyst is about taxes but that is not the point of this thread.

Don't let your brain get in the way of the breeze blowing through your skull.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 10, 2012 6:20:24 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Jan 10, 2012 7:28:28 PM PST
federname says:
> I know the day of sales tax free shopping online is coming to an end.

The days of tax free shopping online never existed. Your legal obligation to pay Indiana use tax has been in place since well before the invention of online shopping. Amazon claims that the complexity of collecting sales tax across multiple jurisdictions is a costly imposition on their business; what they don't say is that relying on customers to pay use tax provides Amazon an immediate 7% sticker-price advantage over local retailers.

> In Indiana's case Amazon is to blame. The is no new law or other
> legislation that forced them to collect sales tax, they did so willingly.

Amazon struck a deal with Indiana after an Indianapolis mall owner sued the state government, and a retail lobbying organization began pressing for legislative changes that would dismantle what they see as an unfair advantage given to Amazon.

Perhaps you'd prefer that Indiana merchants pressed for better reporting of Amazon purchases shipped into the state, so the state government could more accurately check whether you've paid the use tax you owe?

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 10, 2012 6:23:07 PM PST
federname says:
> This thread is about Amazon's hypocrisy that cost people their jobs.

Amazon Associates, with whom Amazon temporarily parted company in California, aren't Amazon employees, and they don't have jobs at Amazon. They're partners who refer web traffic to Amazon and get a percentage of each sale they help convert. No doubt there are some Associates who make good money doing this, but few who make their living this way.

Posted on Jan 10, 2012 6:24:09 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Jan 10, 2012 7:23:09 PM PST
Shane - AFR says:
It is a weak mind that turns to insult to defend their position. The funny thing is you don't even know the error in your own opinion. You don't have a problem with taxes you have a problem with waste and political misuse that raise taxes. Instead of sitting back and contemplating your position you pick up your pitchfork and start yelling about how your the victim while sitting on a computer that uses the internet that taxes have provided. If you want to get back to your original point of how you're no longer going to use Amazon because of their choice to collect taxes then lets do it. Get in your car that had a sales tax, fill it up with taxed gasoline, travel on roads that were paid for with tax dollars, park it in a business that got tax breaks from local governments to build there, buy a product that has a sales tax and travel back to your home that most likely has a property tax and then jump on your PC and complain about how Amazon decided to charge a tax. Amazon isn't forcing you to buy anything from them and comparing taxes to slavery is asinine. Being forced to pay a higher tax to pay for misuse or waste is wrong and should be illegal but to compare taxes to slavery is an ignorant argument.

Posted on Jan 10, 2012 6:29:58 PM PST
Spawnie7 says:
You are mistaken feder. With the invention of the internet, the Supreme Court ruled that internet sales fall under mail order purchases and thus are only subject to sales tax if the business owned a store in the state. So Yes the days of tax free shopping online existed. You are just misinformed. Since amazon doesn't have a store in Indiana, I'm not obligated to report my sales tax.

I never once claimed they were Amazon employees. Ok the term "fired" implies employment, nevertheless amazon terminated their business dealings with those people which cost people their employment. Amazon had a direct hand in this.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 10, 2012 6:41:05 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Jan 10, 2012 6:42:22 PM PST
Spawnie7 says:
@shane

It is a weak mind that turns to insult to defend their position. Glad you recognize that you started insults first.

Are you saying the government created the internet and the infrastructure for the internet shane?

There are laws against banks called "usury" laws. Where you pay so much in interest it becomes a form of slavery. Since we all owe the government, we are in their debt automatically each year. So we must work and pay absurdly high taxes or face life destroying consequences. How is this not a form of slavery? How is there a logical choice? The founding fathers fought the revolutionary war over taxes and the tyranny over taxation imposes. So the comparison to slavery is valid.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 10, 2012 6:48:24 PM PST
Ursiform says:
No! The issue that led to the revolution was the lack of representation for the colonists in Parliament. The issue wasn't the existence of taxes, it was the implementation of taxes without the colonists having a say in the matter.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 10, 2012 7:01:28 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Jan 10, 2012 7:03:51 PM PST
federname says:
> You are mistaken feder. With the invention of the internet, the
> Supreme Court ruled that internet sales fall under mail order'
> purchases and thus are only subject to sales tax if the business
> owned a store in the state. So Yes the days of tax free shopping
> online existed.

Interstate tax-free shopping on the Internet from Indiana never existed, because the state use tax was legislated long before shopping on the Internet was invented. What the courts decided was that Internet shopping was similar to mailorder, and that out-of-state vendors without a physical presence were not required to collect sales tax. But in such a case, as has long been the case with mailorder shopping, residents of Indiana owe the state 7% use tax for items they buy from out of state sellers who do not collect sales tax. So tax-free Internet shopping never existed for Indianans. You were either paying sales tax to a seller who had a physical presence in Indiana, or you owed use tax. Either way, there has always been a 7% tax owed.

> I never once claimed they were Amazon employees. Ok the term
> "fired" implies employment, nevertheless amazon terminated their
> business dealings with those people which cost people their
> employment.

The term "employment" would also indicate "employee." Amazon Associates are not employees of Amazon. Terminating the Associates did not terminate any employees or end anyone's employment.

Posted on Jan 10, 2012 7:02:59 PM PST
Spawnie7 says:
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Posted on Jan 10, 2012 7:05:21 PM PST
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Spawnie7 says:
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Posted on Jan 10, 2012 7:07:10 PM PST
Shane - AFR says:
Where in my original post did I ever insult you??? Or in my second post???

You may want to present your argument as if you are an actual slave to taxes, what we are saying is you are NOT a slave to anything. You choose to live here! You chose to pay taxes and you choose to continue to pay them! If you think your choosing to pay taxes is in any way a comparison to slavery then you don't know what slavery is.

Slavery defined:

slavery [ˈsleɪvərɪ]
n
1. (Law) the state or condition of being a slave; a civil relationship whereby one person has absolute power over another and controls his life, liberty, and fortune
2. the subjection of a person to another person, esp in being forced into work
3. the condition of being subject to some influence or habit
4. (Business / Industrial Relations & HR Terms) work done in harsh conditions for low pay

Historically how did slaves free themselves from slavery(US slavery)???

They left those who enslaved them. They fled by way of the underground railway and any other way they could in order to free themselves from their shackles. You too have the ability to escape your enslavement. How? Leave. You may not see this as a valid argument but you are not going to be whipped or killed by the IRS as you cross the Canadian border, or any other. You are not a slave for having to pay taxes in a society that has open borders. You CHOOSE to stay here, you have a CHOICE. Slaves do not, and to compare yourself to those who found family members and themselves under the threat of death or at the end of a rope is a slap in the face to those who did.

What we are saying is that we are open to a discussion of the fairness of Amazons taxation decision. What I am saying is that a comparison to slavery is not valid and never will be. We can discuss this until we are both red in the face and most likely walk away from it getting nowhere but sometimes that is what discussions come to, but I would say that I never insulted you and if you think I did then I apologize for the misconception.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 10, 2012 7:09:32 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Jan 10, 2012 7:10:51 PM PST
federname says:
> There is no line on Indiana income tax form for use tax. There is
> only one for sales tax. If there is no line for me to claim my use
> tax then I don't owe it.

From the Indiana Department of Revenue's website (http://www.in.gov/dor/3827.htm#use):

"Generally, any type of business entity (individual, partnership, corporation, etc) that makes purchases of tangible personal property are subject to use tax unless you previously paid at least a 7-percent sales tax on the purchase to the vendor. Use tax can be thought of as a mirror of the sales tax. Both our sales tax and use tax rates are 7 percent."

"Use tax is due on property brought into Indiana for use, storage or consumption, unless the Indiana Code (IC 6-2.5-5) contains an applicable exemption for your purchase. If you paid at least 7-percent sales tax at the time of purchase you do not owe a use tax. However, if you did not pay at least a 7-percent sales tax you may owe use tax."

"If you self-report the use tax due you will only owe the tax. If you wait until the Department of Revenue issues you a bill for the use tax due you will have to pay a 10 percent penalty, plus interest. The Indiana Code requires use tax to be paid unless at least an equal amount of sales tax was paid on your taxable purchases. IC 6-2.5-3-2"

Posted on Jan 10, 2012 7:28:16 PM PST
Spawnie7 says:
"love it or leave it" is an insult that somehow I don't love my country.

How did I choose to be an American when I was born here? How did I choose to live here for the first 18 years of my life living with my parent establishing my roots and social connections? What 18 year old do you know who has the means to just pack up and move to another country? I never said I hated America, all I'm saying is it needs tax reform in this thread (which was supposed to raise awareness to amazon's decision to sell out it's customers with the sales tax being the lynch pin).

2. the subjection of a person to another person, esp in being forced into work.
Unless one chooses to be a drain on society, working is mandatory. I want to honor my end of the social contract on which civilizations are based. People who work face excessive taxation. Excessive taxation is one shackle to right to pursue happiness. Slaves are the ones who are shackled. So I'm faced with either being a slave and paying excessive taxation or being a drain on society. So I guess I'm choosing to be a slave.
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