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Initial post: May 23, 2011 4:15:52 AM PDT
Can someone explain how there can be 15 people within the same "classic reviewer" ranking?

Posted on May 23, 2011 5:07:42 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on May 23, 2011 5:09:14 AM PDT
Classic allows ties, the new ranking does not
Classic adjusts the next higher rank to account for the people in the tie.

In reply to an earlier post on May 23, 2011 6:16:09 AM PDT
Colin Spence says:
I don't know why this should be, but I suspect that it has something to do with Amazon's desire not to have a classic rank (my assumption).

Currently, there are 100+ reviewers all on the classic rank of 9853; this pattern of 'multiple ties' is repeated (gradually diminishing) until you get to the classic rank of around 150 - thereafter, ties are uncommon.

It seems unlikely that, based upon the various classic ranking criteria used by Amazon, 100 or so reviewers would all tie for the same rank. Perhaps, before publishing the results, Amazon may smooth the classic ranking raw data and, in so doing, create 'artificial' classic ranks which only approximate to the reviewer's 'true' (i.e. unpublished) classic rank.

These are just my thoughts on the topic - I have no real evidence to support my conclusions.

Posted on May 23, 2011 8:05:15 AM PDT
James got it in one.

Colin, while my own desire is not to have a Classic ranking system, unfortunately Amazon does not share my opinion!

In reply to an earlier post on May 23, 2011 8:14:14 AM PDT
Colin Spence says:
Jason, you reckon Amazon want to keep the Classic ranking system? I've always had the feeling that they want to get rid of it.

In reply to an earlier post on May 23, 2011 8:28:34 AM PDT
So get rid of it already! The "New" ranking system has been around almost three years.

Posted on May 23, 2011 9:08:34 AM PDT
Lynne E. says:
Please don't shoot me! I think that it's a good idea for Amazon to retain the "classic" rankings, because that way there can be--in theory at least--up to 2000 different "badged" reviewers. Given the number of Amazon reviewers, I think it might even be a good idea for Amazon to award a badge for being in the Top 5000.

In reply to an earlier post on May 23, 2011 9:19:49 AM PDT
Much better to redistribute the "Top Reviewer" badges to reviewers within categories. Top 10 Reviewer (Books), Top 10 Reviewer (Electronics), Top 10 Reviewer (Baby products), etc. would be much more useful to consumers than many of quantity-over-quality reviewers not to mention outright cheaters currently inhabiting the top reaches of the Classic ladder.

Posted on May 23, 2011 9:30:16 AM PDT
Glass Turtle says:
A larger number of badges to say top 5000 would make it easier to identify one-hit wonders which are often somehow related to the seller. However, it will make the badge less of an accomplishment to achieve. So I can see pluses and minus to each approach.

What about items that don't fall neatly into a category would they not count at all? Would Amazon need 80 badges for all 80 categories (I read that there are 80 top level categories). With a badge for each category, what would happen to people who are experts in more than one field? Potentially a person would have many lines of various badges they earned? Sounds messy.

Posted on May 23, 2011 9:39:45 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on May 23, 2011 9:41:38 AM PDT
Jason says:
Agreed ... Better badge designation(category based badges) would be nice ; but also weed out the one hit wonders. I've seen people who have 2 reviews but one happens to be for a super popular item and they got like 99% helpful, 1457 of 1460 helpful and are like Rank 1200 But they have not done a review in 2 years!!!

Putting a badge on that person is pointless as it is obvious they do not do reviews nor have done any in over 2 years. One Hit Wonders might be awesome but you don't get into the Rock n Roll - Hall of Fame because of a one hit wonder.

In reply to an earlier post on May 23, 2011 9:40:22 AM PDT
"A larger number of badges to say top 5000 would make it easier to identify one-hit wonders which are often somehow related to the seller."

What does this mean? There are millions of reviewing accounts.

"With a badge for each category, what would happen to people who are experts in more than one field?"

They would get more than one badge, obviously. There are already reviewers with four or more badges.

In reply to an earlier post on May 23, 2011 10:16:22 AM PDT
Colin,
Raw data "smoothing" is part of the New Ranking system. How much value either ranking system has is questionable. We see differences of thousands between the system rankings of a reviewer. Neither system is real good and the more Amazon tries to level the playing field, the worse the system becomes.

Posted on May 23, 2011 10:19:42 AM PDT
Glass Turtle says:
I just pictured someone with 10-20 badges.
What is the maximum number of badges people can have now? I don't think I ever saw anyone with more than 4.
I do like the idea, just picturing what the interface would look like.

In reply to an earlier post on May 23, 2011 10:21:31 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on May 23, 2011 10:21:57 AM PDT
John Smith says:
"It seems unlikely that, based upon the various classic ranking criteria used by Amazon, 100 or so reviewers would all tie for the same rank."

Actually, that's exactly what happens. Reviewers tie. The higher you go up in the rankings, the fewer ties there are.

In reply to an earlier post on May 23, 2011 1:11:29 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on May 23, 2011 1:19:14 PM PDT
Lynne E. says:
Jason,
Unless the popular item is something like a Kindle, the one-hit wonders usually drift slowly downward in the rankings. Amazon says that votes on older reviews count for less, and I think that is true, and that it explains the slow decline.

However, I also think that new votes on old reviews count as much, or almost as much, as new votes on new reviews. Recently I've seen a couple of good reviewers reap the rewards of having reviewed an obscure novel a couple of years ago, now that the novel has been made into a movie. The reviewers have moved up a couple of hundred places in the rankings!

Actually, that's fine with me. It just shows that there's more than one way to luck into a "blockbuster" review. :-) It's because of the number of Top 1000 places that are occupied by reviewers with one or two highly successful reviews that I would support a Top 5000 badge.

I don't really like the idea of category badges, because it might end up being mostly confusing. Also, I think that Amazon tried category badges at one time, and abandoned them.

Posted on May 23, 2011 3:39:34 PM PDT
Here is my opinion on blockbuster reviews: I noticed one new reviewer got 1500 helpful votes on one book - more than I got on 100 carefully researched reviews on academic non fiction. This greatly distorts the new reviewer rankings. Amazon needs to reinstate the policy of capping helpful votes for any one review at about 150-200 votes. Beyond that we should still be able to see the votes, but they should not really count.

In reply to an earlier post on May 23, 2011 4:17:10 PM PDT
Muzzlehatch already provided a more elegant solution for this. ~Presumably Amazon just hasn't found the time to implement it yet.~

http://www.amazon.com/forum/top%20reviewers/ref=cm_cd_et_md_pl?_encoding=UTF8&cdForum=Fx2Z5LRXMSUDQH2&cdMsgNo=19&cdPage=1&cdSort=oldest&cdThread=TxLFSH1YZL1R4X&cdMsgID=Mx3BCWI7U0T8JQT#Mx3BCWI7U0T8JQT

Posted on May 24, 2011 10:51:38 AM PDT
JMB1014 says:
Why worry? My favorite is the guy who busts his keyboard to get to be a Top 100 Reviewer by writing on all kinds of things, often books on subjects he knows nothing about, or things that urgently need reviewing - like Moleskine notebooks! LOL!

Posted on May 24, 2011 9:25:10 PM PDT
Ahhhh, JMB so you are familiar with my work.

Posted on May 25, 2011 8:55:48 AM PDT
JMB1014 says:
J. Edgar: That's funny but I was not thinking of you. Best regards.
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