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In reply to an earlier post on Jun 14, 2012 10:52:13 AM PDT
Jordan L. says:
Shannon, you'll convince half the people on this thread that they have the freedom to buy at the sellers price or to walk away but the other half believe that morally everyone needs to share and not profit off of others. For that half they think that profiting in any way is a crime even though some of those people profit from their employers when they collect a check. For them I'd say that you should go to your employer and say "It costs me $60 in gas a week and about $30 for lunches and $20 a week for clothing to wear to work thus please reduce my pay to $110 a week so I won't profit from my employment.

Sounds crazy right but remember the sellers here are employees of their own company and they'd like to profit from that too just like all of you.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 14, 2012 11:56:11 AM PDT
DisplacedMic says:
with all due respect i don't think that's their argument at all.
nobody is saying, implying or even likely believes that ANY profit is bad or immoral.
They are arguing that "too much" profit is what's bad.

The obvious counter arguments to that stance are numerous but i don't think you're going to win many people over with a strawman argument.

Posted on Jun 14, 2012 2:29:32 PM PDT
edfan says:
Jordan London says:
"Shannon, you'll convince half the people on this thread that they have the freedom to buy at the sellers price or to walk away but the other half believe that morally everyone needs to share and not profit off of others. For that half they think that profiting in any way is a crime even though some of those people profit from their employers when they collect a check."

Actually, this is the sort of message which makes folks think in bumper stickers instead of participating in civil and honest debate. Pretending to think that this was only an argument about profit or excess profit or Supply/Demand - is inaccurate to the point where a reasonable person could suspect the speaker is engaging in a Straw Man kerfuffle rather than serious exposition.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 14, 2012 2:43:47 PM PDT
edfan says:
Mic, I'm not even sure that "too much profit" is at the heart of many of the objections displayed in this thread by people who don't think Ayn Rand was the last word on *living*. There are moral arguments, to be sure. But mostly, I see people who think certain practices lead to less harmony in the world - and they value harmony.

A significant silence erupted early on in this thread with regard to the _reality_ of many of these "outrageous" seller offerings. I myself have said repeatedly that I suspect a whole lot of those offers are for ghost merchandise which those sellers do not have in hand. I came to that position in a couple of message boards in Ebay, where sellers SAID EXACTLY THAT ABOUT THE OFFERS THEY MADE TO AMAZON CUSTOMERS. "If some nut wants to pay me 5x the market price because they're too stupid or lazy to search the Net, I'm happy to take it." I began to follow a few of those sellers around. I saw for myself that a few of them really did seem to work a whole business around arbitraging Ebay vs. Amazon.com prices.

This practice, like some of the sharp practice at Ebay, has consequences not just for the sellers who make a few extra dollars but for the venue as a space where third party sellers are trusted and welcomed. Whether one gives a rat hair about that isn't really an economics question though. Which is one reason we see such heat in some of the messages. Overall, people have tried to talk it out. I've only stuck two people on my "disappear" list. Dozens of others have made me think about what they say in a serious way, even if I might not agree with their conclusion.

My objection was not necessarily to the pricing, it was to the fact that, due to the "free ad" element in Amazon.com, it was entirely possible for buyers to see a big window filled with overpriced merchadise

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 14, 2012 2:46:08 PM PDT
edfan says:
IMHO, Jack doesn't know what socialism is or he'd be out there occupying GM, Bank of Amurrica, George Bush's entire suite of family businesses and just about everything Rush Limbaugh had to give back in his last divorce settlement.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 14, 2012 2:48:38 PM PDT
Shannon says:
This really shouldn't even be a discussion. Buy it or don't. No one is getting robbed. No one is sneaking into your bank account and taking the funds. I don't complain when I pay six hundred dollars extra for a cell phone that is does exactly the same thing a two hundred dollar one would. I wanted that phone so paid extra for it. Should a call up the Apple store and tell they've charged everyone to much?

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 14, 2012 2:51:56 PM PDT
edfan says:
duckles says:
Nothing you just mentioned has anything to do with monitoring prices. Amazon monitors everything else as well. They leave pricing alone because they feel people can make their own decisions.

This might not be true either. Amazon.com does not allow prices BELOW what Amazon.com sells the item for in its New categories, do they? That's why so many sellers Comment that an item is new, unused, etc, even if it is listed in the Used category.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 14, 2012 3:31:30 PM PDT
Amazon does allow Marketplace sellers to offer products at lower prices than Amazon offers. It's not very common. When it does happen, Azon often lowers their price to meet the competition.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 14, 2012 7:04:50 PM PDT
edfan says:
Apple is in charge of their pricing - and other, famously other - policies and they alone control who gets to sell their product and how. They're not hosting a pile of strangers, some of whom are stranger than anyone anticipated when they first came up with the idea of sharing their big tent with Others. Amazon.com is not in the same business environment. What their guests do can affect how people think about Amazon.com itself.

If it shouldn't even be a discussion, why are you here?

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 14, 2012 7:43:15 PM PDT
Shannon says:
Ed, I'm here because I have every right to be. The other good news is that I can charge exactly however much I'd like for something other people didn't have the ability to get. It's called capitalism. Welcome to the United States.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 14, 2012 7:43:26 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jun 14, 2012 7:52:48 PM PDT
duckles says:
Marcus, Check out the top 100 or 1,000 or 10,000 selling games. There are 5 or 6 major 3rd party sellers of whoom some of them are routinely priced below Amazon. Who it is varies by item, some manage to get better deals from one manufacturer than others. They have to be below Amazon or Amazon would get all the sales. Amazon KEEPS the buy box by staying within about 1% of those sellers in price. See the other buying choices on the right. Once in a while a seller goes so low that Amazon declines to get within 1% and lets the buy box go away. Undercutting Amazon in this area is the norm for sellers who want sales. The pricing is cutthroat. I joined the war last fall.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 15, 2012 8:59:08 AM PDT
Jordan L. says:
Okay Edfan, I see that you are not part of the half that think profit, even excessive profit is a bad thing. I also see your main point was about sellers not having the stock to sell but advertising "Insane" prices, were you refering to Insanely low or Insanely high prices? I assume you meant low but while I have seen this practice on Amazon, I never quite understood it.

I once saw an item that was so cheap on Amazon but only sold in a quantity of about 10 times what I needed but I ordered it anyways. A couple days later the order was canceled with no explanation from the seller, I was pissed off but honestly didn't give it much thought other than to not even look at that sellers items ever again. Maybe the seller is a good seller but if you don't have any form of communication before canceling the order then I don't want to do business with you. I never lost any money and presumably the store didn't either, the only one that could be out anything is Amazon for the cost of listing something on their server which I assume is a very small fraction of a cent.

Long and short is, If I order 20 items from Amazon and only 5 arrive then I'd stop using the site but 99% of my orders are filled exactly as described and the other 1% may bother me a bit but I don't get the logic of why someone would waste time listing fake items just to cancel sold orders?

I really can't comment on the motive for sellers putting up fake listings as I have never listed anything that I didn't already have in stock, my comments are solely directed at those that think making (in their estimation) obscene profits as I will defend anyone's right to sell any good at any price someone is willing to pay. I guess that's why I thought only half the people agreed with me here but in fact the other half are probably talking about your issue of fake sellers and I can't defend that.

Posted on Jun 15, 2012 9:12:12 AM PDT
duckles says:
I'm with you. I can't understand why anyone would bother listing insanely low priced items if they couldn't deliver.The usual reason for a listing like that is that the seller got a bargain bulk buy.

Posted on Jun 15, 2012 10:01:04 AM PDT
Wow it's amazing how many of these sellers took the time to post bull in reply to the original post. It is not so easy to find out what the original price of a toy is, and it is a waste of time to always look and try to find out. Amazon was a "safe" place in the sense that you could TRUST you were buying toys at a good price, it saved you time and money. It is no longer the case. You learn that by falling prey to dishonest sellers a few times... then you start doing your time-consuming research every time and all of a sudden Amazon is a different place, not what it used to be.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 15, 2012 10:08:15 AM PDT
DisplacedMic says:
google.com
type in the item
read

10 seconds.
It's a wate of time to always look? I say it's a waste of money not to. Time or money, your choice - which do you value more?

The original post is accusing someone of price gouging and conning. what really happened was that particular item was out of stock at the lower price. Had Amazon gotten rid of that particular seller then we wouldn't even have the choice on whether or not we want to buy that item.

If an item is priced higher than you value it, don't buy it. If you would rather have that item than your money then trade. If you would rather have your money, don't trade. How hard is that?

Likewise if you would rather have your 5 minutes than the amount of money you could save buying somewhere else then be prepared to pay more.

This is the real world, nobody is going to hold your hand, especially not at the cost of liberty and freedom.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 17, 2012 9:16:06 AM PDT
shiloh sales says:
While browsing through some toys this morning I came across a seller that has almost 7 pages of items all listed for sale at $9,999.00, take a look at ASIN# B004R7BYWK and look at one of the sellers, The seller was just launched.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 17, 2012 9:21:50 AM PDT
DisplacedMic says:
and?
clearly that's either a goof or an imbecile.
Why would anybody buy that when you can still by that item for $25?

Harley Davidson Twin 5DV-Twin

More importantly - why would anyone care if someone did buy it for $10,000?

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 17, 2012 9:49:54 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jun 17, 2012 4:04:44 PM PDT
shiloh sales says:
I don't know why anybody would buy that at $9,999.00 when they can buy it for $25, and I don't don't know why anyone would care if someone did buy it for $10,000.00 but there are sellers here that want to know about over inflated prices because they might have a source or look for one for some of what the seller offers and can price it in the normal price range of the MSRP.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 17, 2012 9:52:33 AM PDT
Jon says:
obviously a typo, I hope.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 17, 2012 10:08:36 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jun 17, 2012 10:14:13 AM PDT
duckles says:
No, I bet he is just setting up his account and not really ready to go live yet. This way he can check his listings but be sure that no-one will actually buy them yet. Check them again in a week or two and I bet they will be priced normally. Either that or he doesn't know how to set his account to vacation status and take his listings off line. Why aren't you selling that Shiloh?

Posted on Jun 17, 2012 10:14:37 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jun 17, 2012 10:40:42 AM PDT
duckles says:
I edited my post. I still bet he hasn't sold ANYTHING yet. Interesting, one one item he is showing as the only seller but it has a selling rate which means thy have been sold before. He also seems to have only one of any item where is is listed on the front page. Actually I didn't think Amazon would feature an seller priced that high. Something odd going on. Ah both listings are his. It's amazing that on almost every listing he is the only seller AND did you notice that there is no mention of new or collectible on any of those listings. Oh, SORRY silly me I have been clicking from his storefront. That doesn't show anyone elses listing.

Posted on Jun 17, 2012 11:01:19 AM PDT
RilesKyubbi says:
If you are fighting to keep prices fair then you should leave Amazon. It is not fair to like the cheap items and hate the high priced ones. According to this logic you want every price to be regulated which should eliminate any sales.

Also if you do your research you will find a good rate 9/10 times here.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 17, 2012 3:54:44 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jun 17, 2012 4:11:37 PM PDT
shiloh sales says:
I am selling that item but in a different listing, I think I have it at $9.99 or $10.98, unfortunately there are 3 different Product Detail Pages with 3 different ASIN#'s for that same item so I had to choose eenie, meanie, miney mo to choose which listing to put mine on. For some reason, many of the same items by that manufacturer are listed with anywhere from 2-4 different product detail pages by different sellers.

Riles, I like sellers with high prices, it gives myself and other sellers a chance to find a source to buy it at wholesale and sell it at a reasonable price.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 17, 2012 9:24:33 PM PDT
duckles says:
Shiloh, any time you find one of those listings that are duplicated you should call it to Amazon's attention. They do try and consolidate listings when the confirm that they are the same item. They are slow and cautious about it but they do consolidate some of them.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 18, 2012 9:04:08 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jun 18, 2012 9:05:32 AM PDT
shiloh sales says:
I do let Amazon know about multiple listings but they have a big problem ahead of them because many sellers do not know enough about these products and do not put enough details into the Product Detail Pages. There can be listings that look identical but the items could have been released in an earlier series and/or painted a different color and the seller did not know that and specify either one on the page he created. Duckles, if you sell the ones you were offered, specify the series and color in your listings, most buyers like that. Dedpending on the series#, it could be collectible. If you turn them down, I could be interested in all of them.
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