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Initial post: Dec 21, 2012 10:55:38 AM PST
Keller says:
http://alturl.com/r65yg

LaPierre went on to blame mass shootings on "vicious, violent video games" such as"Bulletstorm," "Grand Theft Auto," Mortal Kombat" and "Splatterhouse." He also reached back in time to place blame on movies like "American Psycho" and "Natural Born Killers" for portraying "life as a joke and murder as a way of life."

Posted on Dec 21, 2012 10:57:54 AM PST
Ugh...

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 21, 2012 10:57:56 AM PST
J. Pardee says:
NRA = FOX

Posted on Dec 21, 2012 10:58:27 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 21, 2012 10:58:57 AM PST
Cinema Fan says:
Yeah the NRA nailed it. Adam Lanza was wearing a hockey mask and saving his gf from monsters. Splatterhouse was clearly emulated.

Posted on Dec 21, 2012 10:59:16 AM PST
SMH says:
I'm sure there is quite a bit of right and wrong in this statement.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 21, 2012 10:59:17 AM PST
FOGE says:
His main aggression against video games was aimed at a game "Kindergarten Killers" which is a game where you play a janitor who goes on a rampage killing kids.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 21, 2012 11:00:30 AM PST
Well, quite a bit of wrong at least.

Posted on Dec 21, 2012 11:00:55 AM PST
Timski says:
I think if I took a tour of his home, I'd find all of the above referenced games and movies in there. Just a hunch.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 21, 2012 11:01:31 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 21, 2012 11:02:32 AM PST
Keller says:
I am trying to find the full press release so I can read the whole thing. I just find it funny the NRA basically is blaming something for violence, meanwhile they get upset when people blame them. Just seems a bit ironic/paradoxish? I never thought I'd see the NRA pointing the finger like that. I always thought they were all about people taking personal responsibility. :)

Posted on Dec 21, 2012 11:02:50 AM PST
DVvM says:
It shouldn't surprise me as much as it does that people insist on assigning simple, singular causes to complex phenomena.

Certainly a culture that glorifies guns and violence has some effect on how people perceive guns and violence. But "let's get rid of violence in all media" is an absolutely unworkable "solution", so it's probably not worth pursuing.

Posted on Dec 21, 2012 11:02:53 AM PST
SMH says:
"Yeah the NRA nailed it. Adam Lanza was wearing a hockey mask and saving his gf from monsters. Splatterhouse was clearly emulated."

Yes - because if a VG/movie influences a person the only next logical step would be to perfectly replicate the game/movie in real life...

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 21, 2012 11:03:12 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 21, 2012 11:03:33 AM PST
FOGE says:
NRA calls out violence in video games, cites `Kindergarten Killers'

Citing popular video games like "Grand Theft Auto" and "Bulletstorm," NRA head Wayne LaPierre decried the violence in popular movies and video games, saying that such "entertainment" is "aired like propaganda films on splatterdays."

Following the Newtown, Conn., elementary school massacre, national attention has been turned back to the effect that popular but ultraviolent video games are having on children and young men like Adam Lanza, who was known by his friends to be a gamer. In its first press conference since the killings, NRA executive vice president LaPierre blamed not guns but virtual guns.

'There exists in this country, sadly, a callous, corrupt and corrupting industry that sells violence against its own people.'

- NRA head Wayne LaPierre

"There exists in this country, sadly, a callous, corrupt and corrupting industry that sells and stows [sic] violence against its own people, through vicious, violent video games with names like `Bulletstorm,' `Grand Theft Auto,' `Mortal Kombat' and `Splatterhouse.'"

In addition to the more popular games, LaPierre cited a game called "Kindergarten Killers," in which a janitor goes on a rampage and shoots children.

"It's been online for 10 years. How come my research staff can find it, and all of yours couldn't -- or didn't want anyone to know you had found it?"

The readily accessible game, programmed in Shockwave, was first created in 2002 by Gary Short, a 19 year old English student, according to a cached version of the ZSOA.com website hosted on archive.org.

Kindergarten Killers is currently hosted on dozens of gaming websites, which themselves carry thousands of Flash or Shockwave games, not necessarily violent ones.

"Isn't fantasizing about killing people as a way to get your kicks really the filthiest form of pornography?" LaPierre said.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2012/12/21/nra-calls-out-violence-in-video-games-like-kindergarten-killers/#ixzz2FiNLFHG4

Posted on Dec 21, 2012 11:03:22 AM PST
C. Zajic says:
I saw a CNN headline saying video games may have been a factor in the Connecticut shooting.
The subtext said that friends of the shooter knew he played Starcraft.

In my head I saw Picard doing a facepalm.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 21, 2012 11:04:30 AM PST
DVvM says:
I would say "fantasizing about killing people and then having sex with their corpses" is a filthier form of pornography.

So that first one can't be the filthiest.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 21, 2012 11:04:42 AM PST
FOGE says:
I found it odd for the same reasons. I think they have a point on the Kindergarten game though.

Posted on Dec 21, 2012 11:04:59 AM PST
My only response is this.

NRA Gun Club on PS2

Posted on Dec 21, 2012 11:05:35 AM PST
Joel H. says:
Well christian bale was in american psycho, and the aurora shooting happened during TDKR, so clearly christian bale is responsible for this.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 21, 2012 11:06:09 AM PST
FOGE says:
Hahahahaahaha perfect!

Posted on Dec 21, 2012 11:06:16 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 21, 2012 11:07:38 AM PST
Keller says:
""Isn't fantasizing about killing people as a way to get your kicks really the filthiest form of pornography?" LaPierre said."

What? What does he have against porn? Man I love me some porn, especially the videos my wife made for me. Either way, I feel like he is promoting Kindergarten Killers more than anybody, I never heard of the game before today. Maybe he should hush and let it not be wide spread? I wonder how many people are now downloading the game to check it out. The NRA joins the blame game, awesome.

By the by, thanks for the better quotes. I appreciate the clarification, I really do. :)

Edit:
Oh and Kindergarten Killers is just in bad taste. I personally can't stand GTA either.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 21, 2012 11:06:39 AM PST
FOGE says:
Was he wearing boxers or briefs? Clearly there in lies the culprit.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 21, 2012 11:07:53 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 21, 2012 11:08:29 AM PST
DVvM says:
Well, you know, while pornography is, in an abstract sense, mostly fine there is certainly pornography that crosses the line (I'll let you imagine your own example).

So likewise while video games which portray violence are, in an abstract sense, mostly fine there is likely a line somewhere that these games should eschew crossing. "Kindergarten Killers" is almost certainly over that line. The people who should be most opposed to that sort of thing? The people who actually care about video games.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 21, 2012 11:10:16 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 21, 2012 11:10:50 AM PST
Keller says:
I agree, but shouldn't the market decide what is crossing the line since everybody has their own perspective? As mentioned earlier I find GTA over the line and parts of God of War (3-sum specifically) but clearly millions disagree with me. Though I also have sex tapes of my wife, so really maybe I am over the line? Who decides? That is the question. :)

Posted on Dec 21, 2012 11:10:30 AM PST
Carlito says:
I'm getting so absolutely tired of this...if the problems with these maniacs were a metropolis, games, music, movies, TV are all suburbs to one central problem. Could they all have a small part in the psychosis or detachment from reality, sure but they are absolutely not the central problem. The central problem that neither the left, the right, or the media EVER gun for with any sort of vigor that they reserve for media/guns is that at the center of all this is god awful parenting.

Posted on Dec 21, 2012 11:10:52 AM PST
FOGE says:
You know what surprises me the most about the video rantings on Fox. No one has said those eery three words yet: "Remember, No Russian."

Posted on Dec 21, 2012 11:12:33 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 21, 2012 11:13:53 AM PST
DVvM says:
I do think that a thing that needs to happen in the Video Game Industry going forward, is that since Video Games are now protected speech (c.f. Brown vs. EMA), there's less need to defend them from "outsiders" and more need to be self-critical. Nobody's going to be able to take your video games away from you, so if there are games being made that are filth, or that shouldn't be made available to people under a certain age, it actually helps the industry and the culture to speak out about it, rather than to circle the wagons and claim "NOPE! EVERYTHING'S FINE HERE!"

Like, does anybody except Activision think it would be a bad idea to make it harder for 12 year olds to get their hands on Call of Duty?
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