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In reply to an earlier post on Nov 8, 2012 12:12:23 PM PST
Keller enough with your predictions.

just like the WiiU will not sell at a loss, or the 3ds. Just like the DS would outsell the PS2 just like the Wii outsold the PS2...blah blah blah

Posted on Nov 8, 2012 11:08:07 AM PST
Lucanus says:
Look, Flores is being "picked" on again. Seriously Flores, you ever read the silliness you type?

As for the topic at hand, I think next generation is the last console Sony and Microsoft will release. Everything will be moving to some kind of cloud server type deal. Nintendo might make another console just because they are stubborn. But eventually we won't have consoles in our home anymore. Our TVs will simply link to remote computers and stream our games.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 8, 2012 10:44:49 AM PST
"what always killed handhelds for me, and many people I know, was the form factor."

This is kind of what I was getting at with the dual analog sticks and all I just worded it pretty poorly. It's more of a traditional control scheme and setup for most people, something they easily recognize and don't have to really adjust to when they pick it up. The Vita in my opinion is quite comfortable to hold and I haven't had any issues playing with it during extended sessions. Mario Kart 7 and the 3DS I cannot say the same lol.

I've been a handheld gamer my whole life and I've always had a deep love for what portables can do. Heck I remember being floored that I was playing Mario in the palm of my hand on my old brick Gameboy. The games are awesome but might not always appeal to someone who prefers that traditional control scheme. I thought with that plus Sony's high profile IPs they had a pretty good chance to come in and take some serious market share away from the 3DS which stumbled hard out the gate.

Sony has been handling the Vita pretty poorly and that really sucks in my opinion. Not only because that the means the Vita isn't living up to its potential but I'm a firm believer in competition in the industry being a good thing. The last thing I want is Nintendo to get comfortable and look at the market as having no competition. I want quite the opposite, I want Nintendo worried about the Vita and doing everything they can to make the 3DS as great as humanly possible while Sony does the same for the Vita. Why? Because that means I win since I own both of them.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 8, 2012 10:22:13 AM PST
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Xavier 7 says:
Two analog sticks, while nice, isn't too big of a deal. I am really into handheld gaming now courtesy of, believe it or not, the PSP. That being said, what always killed handhelds for me, and many people I know, was the form factor. My hands used to kill me before I got used to them.

People just need to discover the quality of games on modern handhelds and they'll flock to them. The awesome games on the DS and PSP turned me into a big fan of handhelds, which I really hadn't liked since the Neo Geo Pocket Color.

Unfortunately, Sony isn't advertising the fact that the Vita has some good games. It doesn't seem like they advertise it at all.

Posted on Nov 8, 2012 9:37:12 AM PST
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Without having read anything up until now let me guess - Article is writtin by dingus/Sony blowhard who is completely clueless, Flores jumped in still heartbroken over Halo 4 and was unable to maintain the SDF wall of sadness.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 8, 2012 9:31:11 AM PST
When the Vita was building up to release it looked like it had many answers that Nintendo didn't and I was expecting it to hit the ground running and just not let up. Having dual analog sticks and such, in my opinion, does give it something of an edge over the 3DS in terms of appealing to those who haven't really bothered with handheld gaming before where the 3DS I could see people being turned off by. Having stuff like an original Uncharted on the go sounded absolutely amazing and I didn't expect Sony to let the Vita release and then proceed to let it do nothing for nearly a year while making questionable developer choices for their IPs.

@ Naughty Doug

Nintendo also got a little too big for their own good back then and thought they could continue to see the same levels of success while not working with key third party developers. They thought they controlled the market and didn't see Sony as a threat after walking away from their joint project together. Sony then came in and stole some third party support away from Nintendo (like Squaresoft) and managed to find a foot hold in the industry. Things only got worse with Nintendo coming into the Gamecube when Nintendo decided they didn't want to work with certain developers because of their products and that's when they started embracing the whole concept of family friendly gaming. This left the door open for Sony with the likes of Rockstar and what have you which really helped push the PS2 to new heights when it released.

The PS1 and PS2 had a huge impact on the industry but Nintendo also shot themselves in the foot when it came to their relationships with third party developers. Suddenly they had a choice about where to develop and Nintendo stupidly didn't accommodate them like Sony and later on Microsoft were willing to. I'm not forgetting that those were Nintendo's lowest selling consoles that didn't come anywhere near what the original Playstation and PS2 did but they were enough to stay ahead of SEGA and they also had some great games release which are still held in high regard to this day.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 8, 2012 5:53:33 AM PST
Speak apparition.... :)

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 8, 2012 5:49:01 AM PST
Where in my post did I make such a comment? What I was merely pointing out was that DVVVMXVv comment of Nintendo being able/more able to push the competition out of market before someone is able to that to them. Clearly he forgot about N64 and GC and how Sony made those two gens very hard for Nintendo. Nintendo really needed a hit with the Wii and could not afford another failure (3x in a row). Luckily many bought into the gimmick (and price) of the Wii. now everyone has forgotten about the previous two gens failures and now magically Nintendo can not/has never ever done wrong. Lol.

if you want to make reference about impact for those two gens then clearly PS1 and PS2 left a HUGE impact.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 8, 2012 4:46:44 AM PST
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Xavier 7 says:
"I was actually worried about what the Vita would do to Nintendo when it released."

Really? I had no doubt it the 3DS was going to win. The PSP was the precedent of their second place status. Not to mention Sony, as a whole, going into this new handheld race wasn't the same power house it was in 2004/2005 when the PSP came along. However, I was worried for Nintendo when the PSP came out. Sony seemed unstoppable in those days.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 8, 2012 4:43:51 AM PST
Xavier 7 says:
"It also seems that we had a lot more exclusives in the 90s"

Yup, and the exclusives truly made each console unique. Nintendo had Mario games and Sega had Sonic games.

Nowadays PS3 has COD and Xbox has COD. The only unique thing is Lens of Truth and grass rendering.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 8, 2012 12:44:57 AM PST
You've gotta be kidding me. Do you read what you type?

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 7, 2012 11:19:20 PM PST
Expensive=/= overpriced

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 7, 2012 11:16:24 PM PST
The same answer I gave you last time.

If the market considers the price to be too expensive

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 7, 2012 11:14:09 PM PST
Because what you get for the price you pay doesn't quite match up. You spend a fair amount of cash for a limited library, limited functionality, and also you're locked into that expensive memory card format which isn't going away anytime soon.

If the Vita had a robust library and all its systems were fully up and running (as in I don't need my PS3 to get access to everything) then I'm sure the thought process of the Vita being overpriced would go right away.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 7, 2012 11:14:08 PM PST
Anthony says:
because its still too expensive for most people?

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 7, 2012 11:06:15 PM PST
>>not to mention overpriced systems<<

How can something that's being sold at a loss can be considered overpriced?

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 7, 2012 11:05:33 PM PST
I've got a feeling a Vita redesign is in the works which is going to take care of the memory card issues by including storage on the device. Price is definitely a big factor holding the Vita back right now. There are a few games out there that people would buy but the price of entry is too high for what is currently being offered. Stuff like Cross Buy helps but all you're really doing is giving someone two copies of the same game. What Sony needs to focus on is delivering experiences that can only be had on the Vita instead of making people wonder why they need to spend around $300 just to get the ability to play what they already can on their PS3.

That's one thing I think that really helps out Nintendo's handhelds is they keep the titles there exclusive and rarely do you see the same thing release on a Nintendo handheld that released on a Nintendo console. Sony has always tried to treat their handhelds like it is a portable console and I think that works against them at the end of the day.l

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 7, 2012 11:04:39 PM PST
>>honestly, given their respective profit margins, sony's far more likely to go under than nintendo.>>

The 3DS is being sold at a slim profit, since the price Nintendo forecasted their earnings with has been drastically slashed, and was sold at a loss for many months.
The WiiU will be sold at a loss since day one.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 7, 2012 10:51:07 PM PST
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Anthony says:
i do agree with that. it will be successful, just not as successful as the 3DS, just like the PSP and DS. it may have some impressive hardware, but that doesn't really help when you've got **** for games. not to mention overpriced systems and overpriced propietary memory cards.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 7, 2012 10:35:33 PM PST
The Vita has serious potential to knock the 3DS off it's throne but I think at this point Sony basically squandered it and gave the 3DS too much of a lead to come back and bury it. This is sad to me because the Vita is actually a really nice piece of hardware that just needs some work done to the OS and some more support being thrown behind it. I was actually worried about what the Vita would do to Nintendo when it released.

I doubt the Vita is going to stay down for much longer though, there are a number of great upcoming games and I think next year it will find it's footing in the market. Chances are the Vita is going to end up like the PSP, a success in its own right but compared to what Nintendo does it'll be crushed.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 7, 2012 10:31:43 PM PST
Anthony says:
I don't think nintendo has ANYTHING to worry about when it comes to the 3DS. they've been the reigning king of handhelds since the original gameboy, and i don't see that changing anytime soon.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 7, 2012 10:26:42 PM PST
Anthony says:
i remember going down to a local pizza place at least twice a month with my brother and our friends, paying for the buffet, gorging ourselves on as much pizza as we could eat, then spending a few hours playing games in the little arcade they had until we ran out of quarters. this was in the mid-to-late 90's. my favorite game there was a Simpsons game, lol.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 7, 2012 10:13:14 PM PST
Anthony says:
the article title is misleading. and if the writer of the article actually thinks this will be happening anytime soon then they are delusional. nintendo is here to stay. honestly, given their respective profit margins, sony's far more likely to go under than nintendo.

oh, and before anyone says i'm a nintendo fanboy, the last nintendo console i owned was the N64.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 7, 2012 10:03:33 PM PST
What was wrong with the Nintendo 64 and Gamecube? Both had some truly great games and did well in their own right though not nearly what Nintendo had done before with the NES and SNES.

I don't see systems like the 3D0, CD-i, Pippin, Ngage, and others sporting gems or having any sort impact on the gaming world like the Nintendo 64 and Gamecube did.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 7, 2012 9:56:51 PM PST
How quickly we forget N64 and GG...
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