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In reply to an earlier post on Dec 22, 2012 10:46:00 PM PST
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Posted on Dec 22, 2012 10:53:05 PM PST
While I want to finally see the release of Versus I still don't mind that this game is coming out as I'm a fan of the Final Fantasy XIII franchise too. I do hope though we get to see the characters from the first game more then we did in FF XIII-2.

Posted on Dec 22, 2012 11:49:41 PM PST
Dang it Techno I was responding to your comment and reloaded the page to see if anyone else had posted!

Square constantly doesn't make sense to me. They remake all the older Final Fantasy games numerous times yet refuse to remake Final Fantasy VII despite thousands upon thousands of people wanting to see them update it. We've seen more re-releases of IV, V, and VI than I can count. They openly admit everything that has followed VII isn't as great as VII. They beat around the bush on their current plans despite trumpeting from the roof tops years ago what they had planned completely ignoring what fans want. Square constantly doesn't make sense in their actions and it isn't just with XIII. I mean where the hell is the Final Fantasy X remake for Vita we heard so much about before the Vita was released?

The fans of Kingdom Hearts have been waiting for years for a true follow up yet nothing ever happens with that franchise outside of spin off after spin off after spin off. Where is Kingdom Hearts 3? Who knows! Certainly not Square because they can't make up their mind what they are going to develop next.

Versus 13 is vaporware at this point and that is incredibly disappointing as a long time Final Fantasy fan. I couldn't get into XIII but always held out hope for Versus yet it hasn't come, has hardly been shown, and despite having truth growth for the franchise is constantly shuffled to the back burner in favor of nonsense like this. Sorry but I'm sick of the XIII sequels and I want the game Square announced seven years ago, not some after thought spin off they keep dreaming up to push a game that I'm not interested in.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 23, 2012 1:35:44 AM PST
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In reply to an earlier post on Dec 23, 2012 8:04:35 AM PST
McAwesomeo says:
I'm probably in the minority, but IX > VII.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 23, 2012 8:12:44 AM PST
StriderNeo15 says:
I'm probably in the minority too, XIII(among others)>VII

Posted on Dec 23, 2012 8:49:20 AM PST
D_Strasse says:
Looks a LOT different than 13 and 13-II. I wonder how much is actually being reused assets wise.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 23, 2012 8:51:19 AM PST
D_Strasse says:
13 had a better story but otherwise I agree with this statement.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 23, 2012 9:59:28 AM PST
J. Pardee says:
I would completely agree with this post. I absolutely love the Final Fantasy franchise and Square Enix is probably one of my favorite developers. I don't see where half of their decisions come from though. They release all of the older Final Fantasy games on every console imaginable but they can't release the games that they have actually announced.

X HD: This game was announced back in September of 2011 and supposedly the game started being developed in January of 2012. No mention of the game ever since though.

Type-0: Game was released back in October of 2011. SE has stated that they would like to release the game in the US if the opportunity ever arises. No actually confirmation of a US release ever happening.

Versus XIII: Game was announced all the way back in November of 2005. Screenshots and a tiny bit of gameplay has been release over the years but nothing for about a year now. I still have hope for the game but it probably won't be released until pigs fly.

Kingdom Hearts 3: No official announcement of this game has ever been released. 8 offshoot games have been released(2 of them being remakes of the offshoots) to make the Kingdom Hearts story as convoluted as humanly possible but they won't give an actual sequel to the series. Besides Birth By Sleep I gave up on the convoluted nonsense of this series.

What I would really love SE to do is to actually complete the games they have promised us and then work on giving is a brand new game in the series. I would absolutely love another game that has the same feel of IX.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 23, 2012 11:48:44 AM PST
IX was damn good and highly underrated in my opinion. One of my favorite Final Fantasies by far though I have a hard time ranking it against VII since they both do so much so well. In fact I've got IX loaded up on my Vita but haven't got VII yet lol.

@ J. Pardee

Thanks for bringing that information to light, I wasn't sure about all the dates and everything behind each title but I know there is quite a bit of demand for them yet very little action from Square.

I'd love to see a new Final Fantasy that was like IX and doesn't try to go for the futuristic approach we've seen in the past few releases. Kind of bums me out that the old school feel has been regulated to the MMOs. This might just be me but when Final Fantasy throws all this technology into the mix along with sword and magic it slightly loses that Final Fantasy feel. VII did a good job mixing the elements but even there it didn't quite have that same feeling that the older titles brought. Heck to this day I still find it odd when playing and I see someone using guns against someone who wields a sword.

The Type-0 situation really puzzles me. They are waiting for an opportunity to release a game in the US that pretty much their entire fan base wants? What more of an opportunity do they need than that? The title is complete and just needs to be localized at this point but I'm going to assume they haven't even started that process yet.

Square leaves me scratching my head more often than not. They need to stop with the spin offs, re-releases, and remakes so they can focus on getting out the products they've announced and that fans want. Seven years is absolutely ridiculous for Versus XIII in my opinion and the only thing I can think of as to why we're still waiting is Square opened their mouth before realizing where they stood development wise and it's now being regulated to a next generation title. I'm still baffled that we're getting XIII-2 and XIII-3 before Versus XIII.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 23, 2012 11:50:33 AM PST
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StriderNeo15 says:
You don't want futuristic Final Fantasy but yet you're freaking out that Versus might not be released? =p

Edit: There's all this talk about what "Fans" want from Square Enix, but honestly it seems to me what "fans" most want is to hate on them and for them to fail.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 23, 2012 11:57:55 AM PST
From what I've gathered about Versus it looks like the world outside of the city isn't futuristic and more in line with classic Final Fantasy in terms of setting. The idea really intrigues me with the concept of a city that's been built in a world like this to keep the monsters and other magical elements out yet they are now starting to lose this battle.

It's not that I don't want a futuristic Final Fantasy but I'd love to see them have a return to form in terms of setting, character classes, and all that.

Also there's a number of systems at play in Versus which really has me interested such as events constantly happening and if you're not playing you could miss them and not even be aware of them. I also really like the concepts around the battle system as well.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 23, 2012 11:59:33 AM PST
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StriderNeo15 says:
So basically it's the same type world as Final Fantasy XIII, and Final Fantasy VII, and Final Fantasy VIII, and Final Fantasy X etc.

Get Ni No Kuni if you want a fantasy JRPG.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 23, 2012 12:05:27 PM PST
StriderNeo15 says:
"events constantly happening and if you're not playing you could miss them and not even be aware of them."

Wtf!? so you have to play 24 hours a day? I don't get how this could possibly be true or could be considered a good thing in a single player game.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 23, 2012 12:10:19 PM PST
1#Pen Name says:
I'm pretty sure everyone will be playing this 24 hrs a day when it comes out.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 23, 2012 12:15:53 PM PST
It's different from those, at least from what I understand. Humans basically live in one city (the one featured in the trailers) and almost never venture outside of it. Certain people have the ability to wield magic but it is fairly rare because humanity has pulled away from the wilds of the outside world. From what I've managed to piece together in the game the city begins to fall as the creatures outside become more aggressive and openly attack people within the city.

And think of the event system like Animal Crossing and how the world is still going even when you're not playing. It's designed so that when you play through again it will be a different and things happen based on what time it is. There's supposed to be a day and night cycle, NPC's have lives so they are constantly going about their business, and the events that happen are mostly side quests and things like that. The story itself can be played at any time but there's this whole other aspect of the world that is constantly changing. The director said he wanted it so when you're playing through you might hear about something you missed and make note to check that out on your next play through.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 23, 2012 12:39:17 PM PST
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StriderNeo15 says:
Ok. Here's hoping the game comes out eventually; I've had it pre-ordered since 2/09/2011.

Posted on Dec 23, 2012 1:00:40 PM PST
"Nier was actually somewhat like that. A father trying to save his sick daughter in a dying world."

Yeah I loved that game. It had a brilliant story.

I'm trying not to complain too much about Final Fantasy games. It just hurts a little to see them create a compelling and beautiful world like Spira and then folow it up with this...decent sci-fi world.

But, as I said, Lightning is a really cool strong female character who belongs right up there with Celes and Rydia. I also haven't played FFXIII-2 yet which looks like EXACTLY the type of game I love (time travel? Optional quests? Yes please). Maybe I can be turned around on the Fabulous Nouveau Christmas saga after all.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 23, 2012 1:01:39 PM PST
StriderNeo15 says:
XIII-2 is a lot of fun.

Posted on Dec 23, 2012 1:11:19 PM PST
Frank says:
SE needs to bring the franchise back to its roots. Give us back the open worlds, the expansive maps, the almost non linear Dragon Quest style structure. FFX on up all seemed to be on rails IMO.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 23, 2012 1:20:05 PM PST
J. Pardee says:
I don't mind the futuristic Final Fantasy games since VIII and XIII are some of my favorite games in the series. IX had a very touching story for me though and pulled off the fantasy settings with steam technology extremely well.

I really don't understand not releasing Type-0 either and seems like an extremely easy decision from Square Enix's standpoint as well as Sony's. Enhancing the game to be released on the Vita would push sales for the game and the Vita both in the US and Japan so it seems like a simple decision in my eyes.

Posted on Dec 23, 2012 1:23:05 PM PST
J. Pardee says:
I just read a little further up on Versus XIII on Wikipedia and the gameplay sounds really interesting. It's a completely new approach to any Final Fantasy game ever. It makes sense why the game would take so long to create but still not 7 years if they were actually working on it.

All event scenes in Versus XIII will be in real-time, and the player will be able to play normally while they occur.[12] The player will be able to run around and perform various actions during these event scenes. Nomura has called these new types of event scenes "Real-Time Events" (RTEs) and states that their inclusion has resulted in Versus XIII having a first-person shooter-like form of storytelling rather than console RPGs.[12] The RTEs will be directed by Jun Akiyama, who directed the event scenes in Final Fantasy XII.
While some RTEs will transition seamlessly into gameplay, most RTEs will be triggered during gameplay and with no forewarning. Players should expect to suddenly trigger certain RTEs while just moving throughout the game world. For example, an RTE plays where it takes sweeping camera shots of a city at night, then zooms into the glass roof of one skyscraper where aristocrats are having a party. The camera then begins to position itself behind Noctis, seamlessly becoming playable. However, while the player makes him run across the room, another RTE is triggered and an airship suddenly appears and crashes into the building while the player is still controlling Noctis. Another example of an RTE happens while the player makes Noctis run down a city road at night. While running down the road, an airship suddenly crashes into a building in front of Noctis and then drops to the ground; part of it then explodes causing the entire airship to flip into the air over Noctis while the player is still controlling him. Another example has the player making Noctis run across a long pedestrian bridge. While crossing this bridge, a RTE is triggered where a series of missiles are fired at the bridge and the first one breaks part of the bridge's wall. The player then has to make Noctis dodge the remaining missiles while trying to make it across the rest of the bridge.
While most RTEs will occur in the main story, there will be numerous other RTEs will be dependant on the players actions. For example, while the player makes Noctis run down a city road at night, a RTE is triggered and a billboard sign falls on the road in front of Noctis and the camera pans up to reveal a behemoth perched on top of a building. The behemoth then jumps down to the road and attacks Noctis and his allies, which seamlessly transitions the gameplay from a RTE to a battle. While in battle with the behemoth, if the player makes Noctis cross a nearby footbridge, the game will suddenly switch to another RTE and the monster will attack Noctis and cause the entire footbridge to collapse. If the player does not make Noctis cross this footbridge while fighting the behemoth then this RTE will not be triggered.
There will also be RTEs that offer unique gameplay. For example, there will be a number of RTEs in the game where the player controls Noctis in first-person view. One revealed example is a RTE where the player controls Noctis when he was a child and and makes him run up to his father who is looking for him in a forest during twilight.
Nomura states that implementing all these RTEs, which transition seamlessly into the flow of gameplay, is difficult and takes a long time.[13] For areas where RTEs would not be required or be too difficult to create, pre-rendered FMV footage will be used instead.[12] The ratio of RTEs compared to pre-rendered FMVs will be 7:3.[14]
The reason Nomura decided to not use any non-interactive event scenes is because he mainly skips them when playing JRPGs.[12] Rather than putting the controller down to watch the story unfold via an event scene, Nomura prefers to skip them completely so he can get back to the gameplay:

"In FF Versus XIII, we've gotten rid of [in-game] cutscenes that the player can't control. There will either be pre-rendered movies or realtime event scenes that the player can control. These scenes are part of a new gameplay feature which, as far as I know, hasn't been done anywhere else. It's something that allows for very natural changes in the game experience, a form of expression you don't really see in games. It's not something you can explain quickly since the experience can change with each situation, but you could say it leads to the sort of storytelling you see more in FPS games than in console RPGs.
"I suppose it's a matter of opinion, but I wind up skipping most cutscenes I run into because I want to get back into the game. I don't think I'm the only gamer like that, and so I wanted storytelling that takes pains not to stop the gameplay. That way, gamers like that can still get into the event scenes in natural fashion. It's also a development time-saver. In the past, we'd make separate high-poly models for the cutscenes, but technology is now to the point where the only difference between the 'high-poly' and 'low-poly' models in FF Versus XIII is in the hair."

Nomura has also stated that Final Fantasy Versus XIII is being developed to have a storytelling approach that appeals more to people that enjoy FPSs rather than JRPGs. This is being achieved by having constant player interactivity, even during event scenes. The only time the player will not be interacting with the game is when watching a pre-rendered FMV. Also, the majority of dialogue between the party members will take place during actual gameplay. As a result of this, voice recording for the party members is being done with all their voice actors in the same room at once so their voices overlap and provide realistic sounding conversations.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 23, 2012 1:54:40 PM PST
That sounds like a natural evolution of the FF franchise. Really cool. The series has shed too much of the menu-driven strategy, and it needs to embrace a more complex action-RPG combat system to stay relevant. I think people would go absolutely nuts for a Final Fantasy with stat-driven action combat.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 23, 2012 1:56:48 PM PST
All of this is why I'm really looking forward to Versus XIII and why I'm annoyed it hasn't released yet. Here the series is evolving and moving forward yet Square isn't giving it the focus it needs.

Posted on Dec 23, 2012 1:58:30 PM PST
Yeah hopefully Lightening Returns sells like sh*t on a hot day because this is getting old. I don't plan on buying it unless I see it in the bargain bin 3 months after release. I'm a huge final fantasy fan but I'm not gonna a game that's been thrown together at least not for more than $15. I doubt square enix goes bankrupt the most that will happen is they will just publish games and get out of the developing business considering that's where they already get most of their money any way (ex. Deus Ex and Tomb Raider). But hey square enix needs to be embarrassed because by the sales of the last few games that they've developed they need to have an even bigger failure than xiii-2 and sleeping dogs.

Sleeping Dogs may actually be a good game but square enix has damaged their name that much to where games are selling bad
because of square's bad reputation. O well here's hoping Verses XIII get's an early 2014 release. Also hope it doesn't suck and they drop XIII from the title.
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