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Initial post: Mar 20, 2013 9:24:38 AM PDT
http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2013/03/20/family-says-new-jersey-overreacted-to-boys-gun-photo-on-facebook/

CARNEYS POINT, N.J. (AP) - The ruddy-cheeked, camouflage-clad boy in the photo smiles out from behind a pair of glasses, proudly holding a gun his father gave him as a present for his upcoming 11th birthday.

The weapon in the photo, posted by his dad on Facebook, resembles a military-style assault rifle but, his father says, is actually just a .22-caliber copy. And that, the family believes, is why child welfare case workers and police officers visited the home in Carneys Point last Friday and asked to see his guns.

New Jersey's Department of Children and Families declined to comment specifically on the case but says it often follows up on tips. The family and an attorney say father Shawn Moore's Second Amendment rights to bear arms were threatened in a state that already has some of the nation's strictest gun laws and is considering strengthening them after December's schoolhouse massacre in Connecticut.

In this case, the family believes someone called New Jersey's anonymous child abuse hotline.

Shawn Moore said he gave his son Josh the gun as a present to use on hunting trips. The elder Moore was at a friend's house when his wife called, saying state child welfare investigators, along with four local police officers, were at the house, asking to inspect the family's guns.

Moore said he called his lawyer Evan Nappen, who specializes in Second Amendment cases, and had him on speakerphone as he arrived at his house in Carneys Point, just across the Delaware River from Wilmington, Del.

"They said they wanted to see into my safe and see if my guns were registered," Moore said. "I said no; in New Jersey, your guns don't have to be registered with the state; it's voluntary. I knew once I opened that safe, there was no going back."

With the lawyer listening in on the phone, Moore said he asked the investigators and police officers whether they had a warrant to search his home. When they said no, he asked them to leave. One of the child welfare officials would not identify herself when Moore asked for her name, he said.

The agents and the police officers left, and nothing has happened since, he said.

"I don't like what happened," he said. "You're not even safe in your own house. If they can just show up at any time and make you open safes and go through your house, that's not freedom; it's like tyranny."

State child welfare spokeswoman Kristine Brown said that when it receives a report of suspected abuse or neglect, it assigns a caseworker to follow up. She said law enforcement officers are asked to accompany caseworkers only if the caseworkers feel their safety could be compromised.

"It's the caseworker's call," she said. "It is important to note the way an investigation begins is through the child abuse hotline. Someone has to call to let us know there is a concern."

Carneys Point Police Chief Robert DiGregorio did not answer a call late Tuesday to his office.

Posted on Mar 20, 2013 9:25:39 AM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on Mar 20, 2013 9:28:23 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Mar 20, 2013 9:30:13 AM PDT
A .22 rifle? That's what this is all about? Isn't a .22 practically the first gun of every kid on the planet?

Also, this quote summed it up nicely: "I don't like what happened," he said. "You're not even safe in your own house. If they can just show up at any time and make you open safes and go through your house, that's not freedom; it's like tyranny."

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 20, 2013 9:30:47 AM PDT
"A .22 rifle? That's what this is all about? Isn't a .22 practically the first gun of every kid on the planet? People need to get over themselves. "

When I lived in Florida most of the boys in the area were taught to fire a .22 around 10-12 years of age.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 20, 2013 9:32:58 AM PDT
Coffee says:
"When I lived in Florida most of the boys in the area were taught to fire a .22 around 10-12 years of age."

Exactly. I remember shooting these things at summer camps when I was 8. This event is a bit absurd if you ask me.

Posted on Mar 20, 2013 9:33:31 AM PDT
Soulshine says:
It's not like tyranny, it's like an inexperienced caseworker.

"There's a concern about your kid" and "we need to see all your guns now" seem a bit different.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 20, 2013 9:33:46 AM PDT
Exactly my point, I just removed the "People need to get over themselves" line because it was a tad harsh :-)

Posted on Mar 20, 2013 9:34:01 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Mar 20, 2013 9:34:12 AM PDT
I had a .22 when I was 12.

We are a nation full of scared pansies lately.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 20, 2013 9:34:24 AM PDT
"Just hope that the kid accidentally kills himself or his parents"

Wow...I'm going to assume you're joking.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 20, 2013 9:40:24 AM PDT
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Posted on Mar 20, 2013 9:40:26 AM PDT
Wow... I received a slingshot when I turned 10 and a .22 six months later.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 20, 2013 9:43:47 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Mar 20, 2013 10:05:36 AM PDT
D_Strasse says:
Really?

Some parents do go hunting with their children you know? Hunter training isn't an 18 and up thing.

And back in the day, and I'm sure in many many parts of the country, going hunting with yuor first gun with your dad is a rite of passage.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 20, 2013 9:44:29 AM PDT
D_Strasse says:
This.

Posted on Mar 20, 2013 9:46:21 AM PDT
jtshiel says:
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In reply to an earlier post on Mar 20, 2013 9:46:25 AM PDT
I guess I was a little over the top there. I also had my own gun at 12 to go hunting. It was a .45 caliber muzzle-loader. Learned to shoot at about 10 years old.

Posted on Mar 20, 2013 9:48:58 AM PDT
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Posted on Mar 20, 2013 9:49:36 AM PDT
So what was fatboy Christie's reaction now that this gov't home invasion without a warrant has made national news?

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 20, 2013 9:50:03 AM PDT
He'll shoot his eye out.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 20, 2013 9:50:55 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Mar 20, 2013 9:52:10 AM PDT
LoL, you know it's funny, hypocrites seem to be the largest pushers towards restriction and censorship. No offense to you, I just notice a trend, vocal antigays found in men's room stalls, vocal antiguns employeeing a force of armed guards, ect....I wonder if any antivideogame people go home and play CoD or at least buy mature games for their kids without looking at the box.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 20, 2013 9:51:11 AM PDT
Right, lets all live in fear of our supposed freedoms. Step 1?

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 20, 2013 9:52:04 AM PDT
aidenraine says:
my first gun was a 12 gague shotty when I was around 11-12. my dad put me through safety courses and everything so I could get my hunting licence as soon as I was old enough to.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 20, 2013 9:53:15 AM PDT
JWK says:
"When I lived in Florida most of the boys in the area were taught to fire a .22 around 10-12 years of age."

The first gun I ever fired was a .22. I was 12 at the time. I thought I was just a normal kid at the time; apparently I was a terrorist.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 20, 2013 9:53:26 AM PDT
I'm doing this as a parody, I think I went a little too far this time.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 20, 2013 9:54:36 AM PDT
aidenraine says:
you went way too far, punk! I hope you get shot on your way home today!

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 20, 2013 9:54:57 AM PDT
Welcome to the errordome Capt K.
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