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Forbes: Black Ops 2 is one of the best told stories in video games


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Posted on Nov 16, 2012 6:56:30 PM PST
FOGE says:
Well, it's a game that focuses on MP. SP is more of a tutorial to get used to the game. Though, this years campaign is quite great. The multiple endings give a great reason to replay the game.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 16, 2012 3:16:37 PM PST
Stop stealing my posts.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 16, 2012 3:00:47 PM PST
Shanghaied says:
Agreed.

"Hey guys, you should stop hating on Twilight while you're thumbing through Moby Dick and try to appreciate what vein of the collective unconscious it's struck."

No thanks. That mental exercise won't change the fact that Ahab still kicks little Edward's ass.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 16, 2012 2:44:18 PM PST
Well he isn't saying that it is the best story but rather Black Ops 2 tells its story the best over other games. So basically this whole article is about presentation and how Black Ops 2 does it better than everyone else.

Still though I throw the BS flag on that statement because there are so many other games out there that have been telling amazing stories in great ways for a long time.

Also I'm pretty sure this is why most people have taken issues with Call of Duty in the past:

http://i.imgur.com/Tfwlr.jpg

@ K. Archer

Half-Life is a shining example of how to tell a great story in an FPS and not rely on cut scenes or giving you bits of story during loading screens.

That's why I thought Modern Warfare's campaign sucked. They told the story out of order and most of it was done during loading screens.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 16, 2012 2:25:23 PM PST
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DVvM says:
I just don't like the whole "being in first person and there are people shooting at you and you don't know where they are and you can't pause it and look around to see them and then you're dead" experience.

I'm not good at them and I don't have fun playing them.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 16, 2012 2:05:56 PM PST
K Archer says:
I agree; I'm very skeptical that BO2 has one of the greatest stories in video games. It may be one of the better in CoD...but when you have Bioware's games, Final Fantasy, Half-Life, and many, many others...yeah, I don't think its really much better then "good".

And no, I don't have it...a 6-hour campaign is not worth $60...heck, its not worth $20...maybe when it hits ten I'll get it unless I borrow it from someone.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 16, 2012 2:02:21 PM PST
My mom only likes Zombies.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 16, 2012 2:02:08 PM PST
Call of Duty 4 has one of the top 5 campaigns of any game this gen. Not just FPS, it's a masterpiece.

And with that, I'm out!

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 16, 2012 2:01:34 PM PST
J. Pardee says:
Exactly! The campaign might be well structured and to the point but I can't imagine how Black Ops 2 would be THE BEST game for story.

Posted on Nov 16, 2012 1:59:28 PM PST
Soulshine says:
My dad likes Call of Duty games more than any other games but never plays MP. He plays the campaigns just to beat them 4 or 5 times on various difficulties. Oh and spec ops mode - he does those missions too. Anything except that competitive MP that I hear is mighty popular.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 16, 2012 1:54:22 PM PST
I see what he means by Call of Duty giving a well structured campaign, just look at Medal of Honor and Battlefield 3 to get an idea of how to do it wrong. However the notion that nearly every game out there fails at what it sets out to do is flat out wrong as is the idea of linear games being bad in general is wrong. Also I'm throwing the BS flag on the idea that Black Ops 2 is one of the best told stories in gaming. Clearly someone hasn't spent that much time playing story driven games.

Go pick up The Walking Dead and then come back to talk to me about how Black Ops 2 tells a great story with player choice.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 16, 2012 1:54:03 PM PST
DVvM says:
Some people buy Call of Duty for the single player, and enjoy that thoroughly. But that's not why the game is so popular.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 16, 2012 1:49:23 PM PST
J. Pardee says:
I found that line to be rather idiotic as well.

Isn't the Call of Duty series something that is predominately bought just for the multiplayer anyway? People probably play the MP for longer than they would the single player story so why even bring something like time into the equation.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 16, 2012 1:41:01 PM PST
OP says:
Well, 70 hrs in 2 months is a low-to-moderate amount of playing to begin with.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 16, 2012 1:35:58 PM PST
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That Emu Kid says:
"That's 2 months I don't have to find another video game to play!"

At the same time, though, it means you're playing the same game for two months before seeing a conclusion or getting any variety in your leisure activity. A lot of people (me included) would not enjoy that, which is why I don't care for any Bethesda developed games.

Posted on Nov 16, 2012 1:28:50 PM PST
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MoultonHawk says:
DVVM...Rent it for the SP it will be worth it. It plays out like a movie. It's graphic and dark, but I really enjoyed it for once. It's got a few bumpy parts but it's worth a day or two red box rental, that would be $5 for two days.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 16, 2012 1:11:24 PM PST
Soulshine says:
Um. Most are saying that the SP in the new CoD is pretty good.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 16, 2012 1:09:47 PM PST
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G. says:
Not trolling. You said it yourself, they are pushing MP and they want people to buy map packs. $500 million in a day isn't a reason for them to put more time into the single player, they are making their money either way. Most of the complaining about COD, and it annoys me, is that the single player isn't good enough. Complaining about games is just annoying. With so many games out there, just play the ones you like and don't cry about the ones you don't like. That's not a game anybody should be buying if they want to play SP. By this point in the series, it shouldn't be a surprise that the game isn't built SP heavy.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 16, 2012 12:55:57 PM PST
Okay but he makes a bunch of points which really don't make any sense. No one ever decided linear is bad, just look at the massive success the Uncharted series has seen and that is a fairly linear experience. Not only that but it delivers a much stronger story and does it far better than Call of Duty could ever hope.

People harp on Call of Duty not because it is a linear experience but because the franchise never gets a chance to grow. Every year we know the focus is going to be multiplayer and the game will deliver a five hour campaign designed to be a visual treat and pull you into the multiplayer. It's fine and dandy that they've got the campaign smoothed out to the point of "perfection" but when each iteration of the game looks similar to the last this is when people start getting annoyed.

Yes fans enjoy it and will happily pay each year but to discredit those who don't care for the franchise based on the fact that Call of Duty is for "regular people" and then jump on points no one is making just comes off as weird to me.

And like Strider said Dishonored isn't that long of a game, especially if you're not exploring every possible corner of the game. The game gives the player the choice to go off the beaten path and find all the hidden stuff or they can just go right for their target (in whatever manner they want I might add). Yet for some reason Dishonored failed what it set out to do? Come again?

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 16, 2012 12:52:56 PM PST
MrFoxhound says:
I'm pretty sure that no one is saying they want a 70 hour shooter, but nice troll. I'm sure they are only saying an average 10-15 hours isn't too much to ask. After CoD 2's campaign that was pretty meaty, Modern Warfare came out and that had a pretty long campaign too, then MW2 came out with a 4 hour long MP training session disguised as a SP campaign. Now people know what to expect from CoD. Short SP, and a push to MP to start getting the kids to buy those map packs.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 16, 2012 12:51:38 PM PST
StriderNeo15 says:
I'd say the 8-10 hour Enslaved: Odyssey To The West had a better story/character development than 90% of games this generation.

Posted on Nov 16, 2012 12:51:05 PM PST
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G. says:
Why do people make such a fuss about COD? If you don't like it, then don't play it.

Its a game centered around multiplayer. The campaign is just an added bonus. Why does the campaign need to be a 70 hour long game if most of the people who buy it are going to just spend hundreds of hours playing the mulitplayer?

I have bought every COD since MWF and I haven't played the single player campaign for any of them...

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 16, 2012 12:49:32 PM PST
MrFoxhound says:
That's a completely subjective opinion. Just because a novel can tell me what color shoes the mc is wearing or what he was eating when he had a conversation with the protagonist doesn't mean that the story is more in depth.

Posted on Nov 16, 2012 12:48:19 PM PST
K Archer says:
Here's the thing. There is just no way a 6-10 hour game will have the same depth of story as one that takes 20-40 hours (or more, but usually past that time there's a lot of side-quests and exploring and all) to tell. Its like comparing a short story to a novel or epic. You just can't get the same amount of "care" for the characters, as much set-up for the setting and story and details get left out.

Can there be really great or amazing short stories? Yes, there can be and are. But...they won't have the same depth as a longer piece of writing. Maybe you're not looking for that "depth" of story, maybe you want to just tell the basic story; that's fine, but expanding on it can make it a lot better. And yes, there are stories that are too long; happens too.

And yeah, the whole "I don't have time for a longer game/book/movie/TV series/whatever" is a bunch of BS. All it means is that it'll take you longer to finish. The longer game being a chore can be an issue...but at the same time, I've had many shorter games/books/whatever be terribly boring and I have to force myself through them (if I even want to finish them). That's not a question of length, its a matter of pacing, gameplay, and interesting story.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 16, 2012 12:46:46 PM PST
StriderNeo15 says:
Not to mention that Dishonored really isn't a very long game at all, especially if you're an ordinary person and don't explore the levels.
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