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Posted on Nov 8, 2012 7:46:34 PM PST
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In reply to an earlier post on Nov 8, 2012 7:56:57 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Nov 8, 2012 8:02:39 PM PST
...should "have" stuck...what middle school did you go to?...

"rational"...lol...i live in the city with the most crime and i know i cant defend myself if anything happens but i wont take any action of personal defense despite them being readily available...whats your definition of rational?

your tune might change if you become a victim...

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 8, 2012 8:02:30 PM PST
Sha Gojyo says:
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In reply to an earlier post on Nov 8, 2012 8:08:41 PM PST
What about the IRA?

What about people who get guns through illegal channels?

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 8, 2012 8:12:46 PM PST
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I had thought about mentioning the IRA, but the poster is obviously just trolling and probably wouldn't even answer the question.

Posted on Nov 8, 2012 8:16:57 PM PST
Modern Bear says:
To protect ourselves from people on the Internet who ask stupid questions.

Ima warmin my e-lazer right now...

PEW PEW!

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 8, 2012 8:20:56 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Nov 8, 2012 8:25:57 PM PST
He also fails to mention that more than 100,000 people in Northern Ireland actually own firearms, and they can be bought/sold there in accordance with the law.

Not to mention the shooting in Cumbria, England where Derrick Bird shot and killed 12 people, injuring 11 others in 2010.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 8, 2012 8:23:09 PM PST
AndrewA says:
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In reply to an earlier post on Nov 8, 2012 8:26:08 PM PST
Yep, using the Second Amendment to justify modern use is silly.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 8, 2012 8:28:44 PM PST
Modern Bear says:
There is no need to interpret what is written in the Constitution. It is written in plain English, with short and to the point Amendments. The reasoning behind the Bill of Rights is an irrelevant argument, used by people who would prefer some of those rights didn't exist for their own ideological reasons. Whatever the thinking of the founding fathers was doesn't matter because the rights are clearly given and cannot be trumped except by other Amendments to overturn them. The Constitution is the supreme law of the land. It's too bad we have doofuses in the government who can't read or understand such a simple document.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 8, 2012 8:29:14 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Nov 8, 2012 8:29:46 PM PST
You're ignoring the fact that in The District of Columbia vs. Heller, the court ruled that the 2nd ammendment protects a persons' right to own/possess a firearm, regardless of "militia" status.

Posted on Nov 8, 2012 8:32:41 PM PST
Dukeshire says:
We have deep seated insecurities and small penis syndrome. And it is to protect us from Commies, terrorists and black people. Also, we have a Culture of Fear that pervades our society. Hell, we cannot allow our kids to play outside anymore....

Of course, people do hunt and use them for recreational activities and the vast majority of gun owners are law abiding citizens.

Posted on Nov 8, 2012 8:33:20 PM PST
"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed"

While yes, a militia is mentioned as being necessary, the verbiage is "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infiringed." The people, not the militia.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 8, 2012 8:33:37 PM PST
Modern Bear says:
Also wasn't there a case last year that made it to the Supreme Court where a guy from Chicago was suing over their overall ban on all firearms?

That law worked out really well for Chicago, one of the most crime ridden cities in the country with hundreds of murders this year.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 8, 2012 8:35:43 PM PST
DVvM says:
Yes. The Supreme Court, in reiterating the Heller decision, overturned the Chicago gun ban in 2010.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 8, 2012 8:38:44 PM PST
AndrewA says:
<<A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.>>

That is all the Second Amendment says. Any attempt to mitigate the well regulated Militia part and say the right to bear arms is a separate part of the right, is a complete bastardization of the intent of the amendment. It is clearly saying that the right to bear arms is for militia purposes. Supreme Court decisions made over 200 years later do not change the original intent of the amendment.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 8, 2012 8:39:38 PM PST
AndrewA says:
The people make up a militia. It's called a militia because it is made up of ordinary folk, most of whom do not have proper military training.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 8, 2012 8:40:55 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Nov 8, 2012 8:46:12 PM PST
DVvM says:
Your interpretation of the constitution does not count.

The supreme court's interpretation of the constitution does.

The Supremes say that the "militia" clause is irrelevant to the right to arms being an individual right, and for now, that is the law of the land. The individual right to own firearms is as sacrosanct as, for example, the individual right to abort a pregnancy. Perhaps moreso since the gun thing is directly addressed in the bill of rights.

But it's not like the Supremes overturned a long-running interpretation of the clause, as the 2nd amendment was ambiguous up until the Heller decision, which affirmed that gun ownership is an individual right. There was no prior consensus.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 8, 2012 8:45:31 PM PST
aidenraine says:
because you were alive 200 years ago, and were made aware of our founding father's intentions when they wrote the bill of rights, yes?

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 8, 2012 8:50:07 PM PST
AndrewA says:
I'm not arguing that people shouldn't be able to own firearms, or that the supreme court's decision is a bad thing. It's still a bastardization of the original amendment tho. It would make more sense to add another amendment, or amend the amendment, or whatever they do, to allow for people to own guns for individual purposes, than to rule that the amendment as it was written meant something other than what it was written to mean.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 8, 2012 8:52:56 PM PST
AndrewA says:
What's so hard to understand about their intention in that sentence? They wouldn't have said a well regulated militia if they intended for people to be able to bear arms for any reason people wanted to.

Posted on Nov 8, 2012 9:03:44 PM PST
Modern Bear says:
This reminds me of how some people make the argument that there is some kind of separation of church and state clause in the Constitution because it says "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion," at the same time not bothering to pay attention to the "or prohibiting the free exercise thereof." Using this as an argument to say that people can't have a Christmas decorations on any public property is ridiculous. It is plainly clear that it means that Congress can't make a law establishing an official religion, like The Church of England, not that the government should go around telling people where they can and can't practice their religion.

People need to stop trying to interpret the Constitution in ways such as to take away people's rights. Why people would want more government involvement in their life, and having them restricting more things, is beyond me. I would think most people prefer to make decisions for themselves, not having a bunch of overpaid and incompetent turds in a big building decide things for them. Have we become that lazy and apathetic about life?

Read it, learn it, appreciate that we have these rights laid out for us:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Posted on Nov 8, 2012 9:06:39 PM PST
Modern Bear says:
Now I have an urge to see if Amazon sells Bazookas.

Posted on Nov 8, 2012 9:08:52 PM PST
Modern Bear says:
Ah cool BrickArms Exclusive 2 to 4 Inch Scale Figure Style LOOSE Weapon Bazooka. That's kind of cute toy to use with Lego men.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 8, 2012 9:09:49 PM PST
aidenraine says:
damn right amazon sells Bazookas
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