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In reply to an earlier post on Nov 27, 2012 7:52:58 AM PST
B. Hoover says:
"I know what you mean, i just don't know why "owning" something is so important. "

Mostly because I have the ability to sell/collect. I can do what I want with my purchase. I'm restricted with digital media. I can only do what "x" company says I can do with it.

I don't find digital to be more convenient, or cheaper, depending on the platform. For the Vita, some downloads are $5 off, but for an $80-100 32 GB memory card, I have to buy 16-20 games before I break even. So being "cheaper" is really just an illusion. Switching a catridge or disc takes a few seconds, and I don't mind the wait for delivery or store pick up. I like going to a store and making a purchase of a physical item.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 27, 2012 7:56:09 AM PST
Breeze says:
There are a variety of factors involved regarding total money spent when comparing digital to physical, mostly timing and where you decide to buy. I could argue that you'd save more money buying a game 75% off during a sale on Steam than you would buying it at release and selling it, but there would be little point in doing so as most of the variables involved likely do not apply and the timing of the two purchase prices likely wouldn't coincide anyway. I suppose I could forfeit that reselling a game can be a benefit for some people and not for me (I find selling to be more of a hassle than it's worth and generally like to replay old games), though I stand firm on my argument that it isn't always the most economical choice.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 27, 2012 7:57:21 AM PST
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Kevin Beirne says:
"I like going to a store and making a purchase of a physical item."

So do I.

Sitting at a computer, ordering something, paying shipping on top of tax, then - waiting - for it to be delivered - is lame.

I am tricked into being excited about it when it FINALLY shows up in the mail - but that is just the man - stickin it to us saps.

Posted on Nov 27, 2012 8:03:07 AM PST
B. Hoover says:
Buying physical isn't always an economical choice. But if you're careful (which takes next to zero effort), buying digital isn't any cheaper (Vita).

Selling is simple and easy, so I find it an attractive option when I do decide to sell a game.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 27, 2012 8:13:38 AM PST
Consoles are getting there, but the PC is already there. Since it is mostly a handful of compaines the prices are going to be higher. I would look at the PC market for the future of digital and the mobile phone/tablet market. There are alot out there and it is cheaper lots of places to buy what you want. Sales happen often. Even though there is not a buy back right now. I do believe Steam is working on something like that.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 27, 2012 8:14:21 AM PST
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Breeze says:
Assuming you have some room on a PS3 or a computer or an SD card (transfer to PC then move to SD), you can always just store games you don't want to play right at this very moment on other devices so that you can transfer them back over when you decide you do want to play them. I'm not entirely sure how long the transfers take as I usually ignore my Vita while it's putting stuff on my PC and haven't yet put anything back on, but it seems to make the purchase of an additional memory card unnecessary.

As I've been working 6 day work weeks lately, I prefer not spending what time I have traveling to and from game stores, browsing their selection (if not a store pick-up), and waiting in lines, so I don't like going to stores and making purchases of physical items.
EDIT: Also, working night shift puts me at odds with store schedules. I definitely don't like leaving the house an hour or so before I normally go to bed if I don't have to.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 27, 2012 8:19:23 AM PST
I ordered games on BF and got them delivered to my door Saturday morning. Physical, real games with pretty cases, instruction manuals and everything.

Amazon is the bomb.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 27, 2012 8:27:49 AM PST
"Any media - whether it's music, movie, or video game, that is purchased, and exists as an actual physical thing held in your hand - will be valued that much more by you, the purchaser."

"If you casually download something and it is merely another fraction of space on your hard drive, the value of owning that media is not nearly as much as having the cd/game/dvd in your possession. "

Not true for everyone. Like me and a friend of mine.

"If you seek something out, spend your money on it, then have it to own, indulge in and enjoy - that is you getting your monies worth and full enjoyment out of it."

Your telling me that... taking more time to find something... say it being a rare game and you haev to spend hours looking for it in a store... when you could easily download it... is... better? That's just Aggravating

"Downloading music for free? When you can get a new album from a group just by a couple clicks - it is much easier to cast it aside as shitty or not very much to your liking because it was easy as hell to get it."

I pay for my music downloads!

"Single songs? Don't get me started"

What's wrong with buying the songs you want? I may only like 1 song on an album, why should I have to pay 15$ for 1 song when i can get the song for 1$? If I want the album i'll buy the album. For instance I recently purchased two Three Days Grace albums because of one song on each of them, but I didn't know the other songs at the time. Lucky for me I like all but 2 of the songs I think, but I've bought albums before where I wanted 1 particular song and the rest of the album turned out to be awful and I felt that it was a waste of money.

"just downloading a song or two "because those are the ones I like" really magnifies that effect. An album is conceived, written, and recorded very much with a purpose. There is a flow, a progression - that the artist is conveying. "

Yeah... don't care. I just want the songs. I have well over 3000 songs and I don't listen to them on a per album basis, I just hit the random button and go!

"So I always buy albums, movies, and games (I anxiously await GTAV). I have a huge collection, and value it very much. If it were some hard drive, or playlist - it would not mean nearly as much to me. Except the red I would see if those files were corrupted, or lost."

I too buy all my games, music and movies. Some physical (movies) some digital (Music and games) I value the digital ones more because they were easier to obtain, I didn't have to go anywhere to get them or wait for shipping times etc... and they don't collect dust on my shelf... since even if I bought an album in the store I would bring it home. Take the tracks off of it onto my PC, then put it on my vita, and probably never look at the disc again.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 27, 2012 8:29:12 AM PST
Breeze says:
Indeed it is. Just about all the physical items I've purchased in the past few years apart from furniture, cars, and food have been via delivery.

Posted on Nov 27, 2012 8:33:00 AM PST
Breeze says:
Speaking of great albums, I think the Joy Formidable is the first band I've heard to have an album of nothing but good songs since the days of Led Zeppelin and Pink Floyd. To keep it relevant to the conversation, I suppose I'll mention that I purchased the whole thing via download as it was cheaper than buying each song individually.

Posted on Nov 27, 2012 8:48:32 AM PST
HorizonBrave says:
The problem here is .. why Miku?

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 27, 2012 11:33:46 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Nov 27, 2012 11:38:29 AM PST
Kevin Beirne says:
"Yeah... don't care. I just want the songs."

That's the issue right there. You have every right to go about you music interests that way, I just don't agree with that. If you are into the band, and you only like two songs off an album of theirs - then I would say you aren't really into that band all that much.

"Your telling me that... taking more time to find something... say it being a rare game and you haev to spend hours looking for it in a store... when you could easily download it... is... better?"

Not necessarily laboring for hours to just find it on a shelf - I just mean actually seeking it out (buy from store, order online - receive in mail), other than just clicking away at a computer and instantly receiving it. So easy to obtain again and again makes it less valuable over time - its just an effect of immediate gratification.

I'm not saying buying physical media is better than downloading digital content (I think it is, but that's not what I'm saying now). I am saying that you end up valuing something more if the effort was greater in obtaining it. If you easily come by mass quantities of music, you will in no possible way value it as much as if it was obtained as a physical media.

The album. Okay? The album cover - artwork. Ya know? That picture that is drawn for that album and goes on the cover? What about the liner notes. The lyrics? Just gonna look em up on the internet? Maybe you don't care? What about who wrote the songs? Did one guy write them all - did each member contribute to the songs, the lyrics? Did it take three months to record? Did it take two days to record? A physical album in my hand with the liner notes can and usually will contain all of this information and content. That adds a ton of value - and adds to the entire experience of the album. You might like an entire album from the bands you are into if you actually bought the whole album. I listen to a shitload of bands by purchasing their albums - and love the experience.

The classic rock stations on the radio? You think the couple songs from individual albums they play by Black Sabbath, Led Zeppelin, and Deep Purple are the best ones? The only ones you would like? Me, personally, I know for a fact that there are other songs on those albums - that never get radio play - that I would like a lot. Some - even more than the ones on the radio.

So yeah - it's your own decision to only get a couple tracks off a bands album, because you only like those two. How you reached that opinion? I don't know - listened to them before purchase off the internet?

There is still something to buying an album by a band you like and giving it a whirl. Nothing wrong with checking it out first - that is a luxury of today that is pretty cool - but still - if you are into that band - I'd think you'd want to buy their whole album.

I'm sure they appreciate your purchase of five or six of their songs though.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 27, 2012 12:46:48 PM PST
A customer says:
Oh, Kevin. Just where I'd expect to find you. You know me, I own physical copies of all my metal. I consider myself a collector.

That said, I am 100% in favor of internet piracy. Instead of complaining about it and looking for ways to give customers the shaft, artists and producers should be focusing all their energy on making a product actually worth paying for. Plus, piracy is necessary to make the point that companies won't get away with charging $1 apiece for 128 kbps MP3 files. That is absurd. They're basically charging you a penny for the lossy song, and 98 cents for permission to use intellectual property. The internet didn't kill the music industry, greed did.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 27, 2012 12:50:37 PM PST
Harmicky says:
"I am 100% in favor of internet piracy. Instead of complaining about it and looking for ways to give customers the shaft, artists and producers should be focusing all their energy on making a product actually worth paying for."

Haha, oh silly Americans and our incessant sense of entitlement.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 27, 2012 12:57:01 PM PST
A customer says:
The sense of entitlement of whom? Last I checked, the biggest magnet site in the world is Swedish. Obviously, the whole first world is thinking it. Open your eyes, Thuggish Ruggish Harmicky.

Seriously, that's a witty ass handle you got there.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 27, 2012 1:00:59 PM PST
Harmicky says:
Oooh, I like "Thuggish Ruggish Harmicky." Alas, it isn't what the VGF chose for me.

It is my opinion that your statement that I referenced very much belies a sense of self entitlement. This is independent of whether you are American, Swedish, or otherwise.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 27, 2012 1:18:12 PM PST
Kevin Beirne says:
ha - indeed - whats up Ian.

"The internet didn't kill the music industry, greed did."

That is interesting...the record companies did indeed have a hand in effing everything up. I just don't like how the physical media isn't even going to continue to be printed (at this rate). Clearly I don't like the digital content - takes the fun out of it if you ask me. A digital only release of an album is pretty lame.

Interesting point you make though - saying that piracy is necessary to illustrate to the man that charging a dollar a song is BS.

I directed the convo toward music a bit - video games is different. I don't necessarily collect video games. You got the game, then you got the game. I feel very much different though toward music.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 27, 2012 1:27:09 PM PST
A customer says:
Well, that's a case of the pot calling the roach clip black. If I'm self entitled, so be it, but then so is the music industry for making me this way. Honestly, being prescient of the outside world yet continuing to charge $16 a pop for CD's doesn't reek of self entitlement on their part?

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 27, 2012 1:32:30 PM PST
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A customer says:
What about movies? These days, you either have a full wall of DVD's, or a 10 TB cube that looks like the box from Hellraiser.

They got me by the balls on that one. I'm hearing impaired and I NEED subtitles, which is something seldom offered by torrents. Those bastards. How dare they give me something free and fail to include an .srt file?!

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 27, 2012 1:41:29 PM PST
Kevin Beirne says:
I indeed thought of movies when I typed that. Again - I have a pretty extensive collection of dvds. I don't really get a lot of content with the little case I get with them but your point would be the difference. The extra features, audio options, etc. Unless a download can offer that - then I want the dvd.

Bastards indeed - just what is it all coming too? What about when the whole system crashes and everyone's crying because every single byte of media they ever possessed is gone in the blink of an eye? What then? I'll tell you what - those digital worshipers existence will have sickened the gods for the last time...as they wallow in emptiness and despair...

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 27, 2012 1:58:20 PM PST
Harmicky says:
But it's not the industry calling you self entitled, it's me. I don't think you understand the pot and kettle metaphor.

And let me get this straight...someone has made a profit and offerred it for sale, and you deem it too expensive, and therefore it is ok to steal it?

Posted on Nov 27, 2012 2:04:00 PM PST
No! What did you do to Hatsune Miku?!

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 27, 2012 2:30:13 PM PST
A customer says:
You! You doubt my intellectual prowess?

That's okay, so do I. I used to have a similar mindset as you. When piracy first attained infamy, I was adamantly opposed to it. My views morphed when it dawned on me that the industry wasn't changing with the times; it was refusing to adapt to new technology and conveniences, all the while insulting the intelligence of the contemporary consumer. They can ill afford such obstinateness, and it shows.

"let me get this straight"
Hmm. I say that every time a pop a Cialis. I jest. No, you're not getting it straight, you're getting it twisted. Stealing is wrong. It's not okay. Whether or not it's okay is trivial, however. What matters is that such actions make an impact for the good. I would love nothing more than the music industry to make a comeback, believe me. I'm sincerely hoping that piracy eventually serves as a wake-up call that it isn't 1999 anymore.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 27, 2012 2:39:22 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Nov 27, 2012 2:40:56 PM PST
I hate bringing up this dead horse that gets mentioned within every internet piracy conversation, but "Tape recorders are killing music" was a motto in the 80s. It wasn't true then and it's current incarnation, the MP3 rip, is not true now.

EDIT: The music industry ain't in great shape right now, I'll say that, but it's not the MP3's fault, it's the industry's complete heel-digging, attempting to dam up the river instead of going along with it to new areas.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 27, 2012 2:41:13 PM PST
I do not like green eggs and ham.
Not in a box
Not even while playing XBox
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