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RUMOR: Playstation 4 to be called "Omni" + lots of other details


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Initial post: Nov 29, 2012 8:45:35 PM PST
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got mayo?™ says:
http://dualpixels.com/2012/11/29/rumor-behind-the-scenes-with-first-party-hardware-and-third-party-softwear-next-gen/

Sony is near the middle end part of their Project Orbis, their next generation PS4. It will not be called Playstation 4, teams have started to call the final name as Omni. Omni will reflect their new hardware and content delivery philosophy. Omni will be "very capable" of doing modern day graphics compared to a Direct X 11 level of technology like Unreal Engine 4 and Frostbite 2. Compared to Wii U, it is better, but not the biggest leap in the world according to developer friends of mine. The key is the Omniviewer, a thin, lite and slick head mounted autostereoptic display that can track the users head and presents a 360 image view with semi transparent AMOLED screens. This can turn any TV into a 3D TV, as well as add extra augmented reality information outside of the TV screen. One application from an entertainment perspective seeing movies in 2k, 4k or IMAX resolutions as their original size where you have to move your head to look at the full picture being displayed. Can also synch with the Vita. The new controllers weather it's the Dual-Moves or the Classic DualShock will have pulse sensors in the grips for biofeedback gameplay. Plans are a Basic Unit with 160 gigs and just the system with controller at $350-$399 and one with the Omniviewer and a pack-in game for $450-$499. Aims are for a September 2013 launch.



- Omni is also part of their philosophy with the new OmniCloud, the new version of Gaikai. This service will not only cloud stream PS1, PS2 and select PS3 games to Playstation Certified devices but will also allow every digital and retail purchase to have access to a copy on the cloud. Basically, you buy one game, you can use it on any Playstation device. Direct hardware Backwards Compatibility will be available by a $70 - $99 dongle that is plugged into the Omni that contains a PS3 on a chip with Cell to run games.

Posted on Nov 29, 2012 8:51:01 PM PST
I.Flores says:
Omni Magazine rocked.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 29, 2012 8:51:37 PM PST
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Posted on Nov 29, 2012 8:54:11 PM PST
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Modern Bear says:
"The key is the Omniviewer, a thin, lite and slick head mounted autostereoptic display that can track the users head and presents a 360 image view with semi transparent AMOLED screens. This can turn any TV into a 3D TV, as well as add extra augmented reality information outside of the TV screen."

This reminded me of the virtual reality sex scene in Demolition Man. Sony = Taco Bell.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 29, 2012 8:54:27 PM PST
I.Flores says:
>>Basically, you buy one game, you can use it on any Playstation device<<
That sounds really good.

Posted on Nov 29, 2012 8:56:21 PM PST
Krypto says:
They should just go with Playstation Death. Have the marketing mascot a skeletal version of Kratos equipped with his blades but altered to look more like scythes.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 29, 2012 8:58:02 PM PST
I.Flores says:
No, they really shouldn't

Posted on Nov 29, 2012 9:03:09 PM PST
Modern Bear says:
Hey Flores. Day 1?

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 29, 2012 9:03:47 PM PST
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I.Flores says:
Possibly. Once I fully understand what I just read.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 29, 2012 9:07:58 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Nov 29, 2012 9:08:38 PM PST
Modern Bear says:
It sounds like a pretty fancy visor, on par with Geordi's. In all seriousness I have to hand it to Sony, they certainly have some incredible hardware engineers. I will be curious to see how many visors sell at that price, assuming all this is accurate.

You have to Day 1 this sucka, Flores!

Posted on Nov 29, 2012 9:08:54 PM PST
J. Pardee says:
Hmm, it's hard to judge the system with the little amount of information but if this is correct it could definitely be interesting.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 29, 2012 9:10:12 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Nov 29, 2012 9:10:27 PM PST
"Basically, you buy one game, you can use it on any Playstation device."

Any specifics on the total limit of that? I know that since I kept my account on the PS3 I gave to my brother and left my info on one PSP that I sold, between that and the PS3, PSP, and Vita, I'm already maxxed on the total number of system authorizations for my PSN account (currently five max).

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 29, 2012 9:17:56 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Nov 29, 2012 9:18:19 PM PST
It's down to 2 PS3s and 2 Portables.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 29, 2012 9:27:31 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Nov 29, 2012 9:28:19 PM PST
Technosapien says:
You can go to the Playstation website and de-activate your account for all systems and then activate it on just the ones you own. You're allowed to do that once every 6 months.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 29, 2012 9:28:51 PM PST
Wow, that's good to know. Thank you! Is there a specific link or search term I can use to find this?

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 29, 2012 9:32:03 PM PST
Technosapien says:
Go to the US Playstation website and log-in with your PSN info, then go to "device management" then just follow the easy directions. No link right now because I'm posting from my phone, sorry.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 29, 2012 9:33:12 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Nov 29, 2012 9:33:59 PM PST
That sounds easy enough. Thanks again! :)

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 29, 2012 9:33:21 PM PST
I.Flores says:
Possibly, but just the basic one. Not the fancy-schmancy version.
That's too much tech for me to handle.

Posted on Nov 29, 2012 10:18:57 PM PST
Nintendo: Seems likely that they are throwing their main development studios behind the Wii-U and 3DS, especially with the Wii-U since they no doubt want to get as many units sold as possible before Microsoft and Sony arrive to market. Curious what sort of deals they've worked out with other developers especially ones like the whole Bayonetta 2 deal. Not sure how likely Darkstalkers 4 going this route is since Capcom (barely) does fighters right and there has been a lot of demand for more in that series lately. The Devil's Third seems incredibly unlikely in my opinion and if it does appear on the Wii-U I doubt it will be good considering how long it has supposedly been in development and we haven't heard squat about it in like forever. I'm also not sure about the idea of a year long beta test for the online system for Smash Bros. though I'm certainly hopeful. Going to be interesting to see what Retro brings to the table but if I were a betting man I'd guess Nintendo has put them to work on one of their franchises (I'm still thinking Star Fox).

With Nintendo gearing up to start expanding and restructuring next month it's a clear sign Nintendo is going to be the ones leading the charge on what the Wii-U can do and the best ways to make use of the new Gamepad. With the Miiverse leak for titles like Yoshi's Land it seems likely that these are titles saved for E3. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if Nintendo has held software back to make a bigger splash at E3 especially with the looming announcements of new consoles from their competitors. Nintendo still has an uphill battle with bringing over third party developers but I think once more original software hits the market for the Wii-U (read not ports) this will give developers a better idea of where the Wii-U sits and what it is capable of.

Sony: Some rather interesting ideas though I did note that the rumor says their next console won't be as big of a graphical leap as it could be playing into my theory that Sony doesn't want to release super expensive hardware. Nintendo has shaken up the industry with the DS, Wii, 3DS, and now Wii-U and Sony has no doubt taken note. The headset sounds pretty interesting and we've seen other devices like this from Sony already so it seems pretty likely that they are playing with something like this for their next system. Again Nintendo has changed the game putting innovation before graphics and from the sounds of it Sony is heading that way too though in a much different fashion. I am questioning the bundles though since, from the sounds of it, the new headset will play a key role in this new and the idea of selling a console without might limit what games a user can play which isn't a great idea (in my opinion).

A next generation Uncharted sounds incredibly likely, it has already been confirmed that Naughty Dog was doing work with next generation hardware and building a new engine so this seems like the most likely move. However Naughty Dog has typically come up with a new IP when a new generation rolls around so maybe we'll see something new? One thing is for sure though Naughty Dog is working on a next generation project and has been since Uncharted 3 wrapped up. Whatever Naughty Dog is developing I'm definitely looking forward to seeing it!

Not sure I buy into the whole "buy one copy of a game and play it on any Playstation certified device". It would be incredibly cool if true though.

I definitely believe we're going to see a ton of functionality between the Vita and Omni. I also think once Sony gets their next console out the door is when we'll see the Vita take off because the thing doesn't feel like it was built with the PS3 in mind. A lot of the functions feel half done or barely there (Remote Play anyone?) and I've been thinking for awhile it is because this is a partner device for their next console.

Microsoft: If Microsoft is really going for those prices they've shot themselves in the foot. The Wii-U does online play for free, I doubt Sony is going to back pedal and start charging for online functions especially with PS+ doing as well as it has been so what exactly is Live bringing to the table? More Netflix, IE9, and other stuff everything else does for free? The subscription model isn't going to go anywhere and if the Omni is that much cheaper the main unit itself isn't going to perform that well either.

Kinect 2 sounds interesting but not something I want to game with. Considering how lackluster Kinect has been (I own it and about the only thing I've found that functions well is the voice commands) I doubt too many people are going to buy into whatever Microsoft presents on stage at E3 with this thing.

Livewall sounds really bad in my opinion. Looking at my living room I have no idea where this thing would project that would look good and be playable from. Am I going to have to clear out a space for it or is this thing going to display over my furniture which is going to screw with the image and yea... This sounds like a good idea on paper but when you get it in a real home problems will quickly arise (much like Kinect!). I've seen the concept in the Microsoft house before but that was more geared towards a desktop being displayed on a wall designed for this, not just setting up a device in any room and it displaying an image over everything you own. Again this sounds interesting but not for gaming.

The power difference is going to be interesting to see how that plays out especially if the next Xbox is as powerful as rumors say. I wonder how much Microsoft will get out of it considering their first party development isn't much at the moment and multiplatform titles aren't really going to make use of that extra juice since they want their title running on all platforms. This is one I doubt is true though and if it is I think Microsoft is shooting themselves in the foot because prices are going to be pretty high.

I question a lot that I'm reading with Microsoft; most of it sounds like day dreaming to me and not something that is seated in reality. Livewall sounds like a ridiculous concept for gaming, I question that Kinect 2 will recognize my clothes, fingers, my furniture, multiple voices, and all that other stuff too. It'll be one heck of a system though if Microsoft pulls it off but I doubt we're going to see something like this take shape from them.

Posted on Nov 29, 2012 10:29:52 PM PST
RJMacReady says:
I don't want to wear a head mounted display.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 29, 2012 11:29:47 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Nov 29, 2012 11:41:14 PM PST
Fullme7al says:
I'm kind of lost, where did you get this info on the next xbox?

Nevermind, I figure topic creator just posted the news about playstation because that's all there was.

Posted on Nov 29, 2012 11:35:52 PM PST
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Posted on Nov 29, 2012 11:40:51 PM PST
Jon says:
My god that was a great read. If this is true, day 1 head mounted. Xbox loses.

Posted on Nov 29, 2012 11:54:44 PM PST
Fullme7al says:
mmm... I', savign up now to get the OMNI and Next Xbox(already have Wii U). The second they are available for preorder I will be there.

Posted on Nov 30, 2012 12:01:02 AM PST
Since Mayo thinks the next Playstation is only worth discussing here's the rest of the article:

- All three major players are going to play very aggressive hard ball starting in Summer 2013 right before E3. Both Sony and Microsoft are attempting to court in developers to next gen engines in attempt to starve Nintendo and mobile developers. However Nintendo is banking on the argument that the other two jumped too soon to upgrade, with only the top-tier of the triple A studios such as Infinity Ward, Crystal Dynamics, ect only having next-gen level technology with most being stuck on very advanced Unreal Engine 3 level tech.

- Nintendo is hoping to play it's cards right with new hardware add ons and a huge first party push next year where they will reveal games for both holiday 2013 and 2014, a total of 1/3rd of their internal development software. Nintendo has also been shopping around for third party developers where instead of buying them outright, either funds projects or their marketing/localization to make them exclusive or feature packed for Wii U or Nintendo 3DS. Expect more projects like Bayonetta 2 to be announced next year including a partnership that will cause huge shocks when it's announced even worse than Bayonetta 2. My sources do not think it's the wildly talked about Devil's Third being a Wii U exclusive because most people have been buzzing about that and Nintendo is "keeping it extremely close to it's chest".

- Nintendo's core first party line up for E3 will be the next 3D Mario game that will be out by Holiday 2013, a next Zelda adventure for the Nintendo 3DS, a double dose of Kirby with the return of Tilt `n Tumble for Wii U and Kirby's Pop Up Pannick for Nintendo 3DS, a new HD Yoshi's Island game, Donkey Kong Land Returns for Nintendo 3DS, new Fatal Frame for Wii U, the new Retro Studios title which may or may not make Holiday 2013 and two new IPs.

- There was a pitch at Retro Studios for a new Metroid game that I have no idea if was scrapped or if it was made into a full game. I do know the pitch was an FPA like the Prime games and it took in between Other M and Fusion. It was suppose to deal with an entire planet that in a conflict between the good guys and the Space Pirates caused a fracture in time that allowed half of the dead planet to come back to life including the dead Chozoo colony. It was suppose to deal with the mystery of the Chozoo, Samus upbringing and that the Chozoo were more war like than imagined. It was also suppose to feature Wii Motion Plus control along with two player co-op with the new Chozoo partner on the gamepad, allowing more crazy exploration and puzzle solving. Being isolated, together was the theme. Multiplayer is also planned. Besides working on that internal next-gen engine for Wii U and a smaller team for Donkey Kong Land Returns, we know that some of the pitches included an entirely new IP based around the GamePad, a revival of Raven Blade and a reboot of Mach Rider.

- Mainline 3DS Pokemon game needs roughly two more years before it's released. Uses a full 3D engine and will have a story dealing with a world wide crisis. A new Pokemon type will be introduced (has not been done since Gold and Silver) and while not as many new Pokemon as in past gens older Pokemon will get new abilities and forms. Will maximize the Nintendo 3DS use of 3D, StreetPass and online connectivity. The first NFC game for Wii U will be a next gen Battrio game coming out in all regions.

- Sony is near the middle end part of their Project Orbis, their next generation PS4. It will not be called Playstation 4, teams have started to call the final name as Omni. Omni will reflect their new hardware and content delivery philosophy. Omni will be "very capable" of doing modern day graphics compared to a Direct X 11 level of technology like Unreal Engine 4 and Frostbite 2. Compared to Wii U, it is better, but not the biggest leap in the world according to developer friends of mine. The key is the Omniviewer, a thin, lite and slick head mounted autosteroptic display that can track the users head and presents a 360 image view with semi transparent AMOLED screens. This can turn any TV into a 3D TV, as well as add extra augmented reality information outside of the TV screen. One application from an entertainment perspective seeing movies in 2k, 4k or IMAX resolutions as their original size where you have to move your head to look at the full picture being displayed. Can also synch with the Vita. The new controllers whether it's the Duo-Moves or the Classic DuoShock will have pulse sensors in the grips for biofeedback gameplay. Plans are a Basic Unit with 160 gigs and just the system with controller at $350-$399 and one with the Omniviewer and a pack-in game for $450-$499. Aims are for a September 2013 launch.

- Omni is also part of their philosophy with the new OmniCloud, the new version of Gaktai. This service will not only cloud stream PS1, PS2 and select PS3 games to Playstation Certified devices but will also allow every digital and retail purchase to have access to a copy on the cloud. Basically, you buy one game, you can use it on any Plyastation device. Direct hardware Backwards Compatibility will be available by a $70 - $99 dongle that is plugged into the Omni that contains a PS3 on a chip with Cell to run games.

- Known first party games in development for Playstation Omni are: Next Gen Uncharted, Next Gen Siren, The Boydguard, Wipeout Omni, Bump In the Night, Killzone 4, Gran Turismo Prologue, Next Gen Media Molecule, Omni Fitness.

- Microsoft is the most vague out of all of them. It's slated to be the most powerful out of all the next gen consoles about 4 to 6 times more powerful than Wii U and 2 to 3 times more powerful than Playstation Omni. The project has gone through many name iterations and will not be decided on until shortly before it's E3 unveiling. Microsoft is also running into manufacturing issues and developers not having games done on time so instead of delaying the launch to Summer 2014, they are thinking of "soft launching" it Holiday November 2013 and then have a full blow out in the summer. All units will come with Kinect 2 built in which can track up to four people, all objects in the living room, clothing, face structure and fingers. It can also understand different voices and has its own PPU. In 2014, Microsoft will introduce the "LiveWall", a omni-projection unit that will allow game environments to be projected nearly 360 degrees around the user. Using Kinect 2, they have two demos of one that is a battlefield RTS and one that is a kung fu game with guys attacking all around. The LiveWall can also project different images on the wall, so people can play different games on different walls. Microsoft is prepared to champion this unit as a cheaper and more effective alternative to wearing a "goofy stupid VR headset" to combat Sony's Omniviewer while Sony is going to point out the low resolution quality and the lack of privacy. The system is going to be very expensive in the $499 range so Microsoft is planning on using a remolded X-Box Live (Possibly renamed X-Box Life) to offer a Pro (Gold) subscription two or three-year contract to sell the unit at $300 - $399. The final goal with the tech is to shrink the system on a chip down enough so it can be put into tablets, PCs and Smart TVs so that all devices are X-Box ready.

- Known first party XBox Next games: Halo Trilogy Remake, Chief Samurai by Rare, Project Gotham Racing, Kinectimals 2, Rise, Carnival Park, Fable 4

- Ni-Oh is being completely remade from the ground up in Unreal Engine 4 exclusive for PlayStation Omni. A special Dynasty Warriors 8 will be released on Wii U and Vita, while a special Dead or Alive 5 will be release on Wii U and Playstation Omni later in 2013. Team Ninja also plans on making a side-scrolling remake of the NES Ninja Gaiden game for Wii U eShop, PSN and XBLA.

- Capcom is going to bring a voice command/dynamic slash version of Monster Hunter to the new X-Box. Ninja Theory is also pitching Capcom an Onimusha sequel for Wii U/Omni/XBoxNext as a "Ookami with guts". Ono after looking at Platinum Game's relationship is investigating a similar deal with Nintendo to publish Darkstalkers 4: Rebirth as a Wii U exclusive since Capcom is still reluctant to finance it. Sengoku Basara will get current and next gen re-releases at the launch of Next Gen systems. Capcom is also working with Splash Damage to make a new IP FPS for next gen consoles. A special edition of Resident Evil 6 called "Final Hope" will be release with bug & gameplay fixes, new sequel sinario DLC with one involving Claire, modes, asymetrical gamepad play, off TV gamepad play and an HD port of Resident Evil: Revelations. The next Resident Evil Operation game is in the works for PS3, 360, Wii U, Vita and Omni called Terrestrial Fear.

- Square Enix is preparing to bring biofeedback zombie hunting game Judecca to the Omni at launch. Agni Philosophy tech will be shown off as a unique IP game that will be out for Omni/XBoxNext in 2014. Crystal Dynamics plans to resurrect the Legacy of Kain franchise in 2014 built with the Unreal 4 engine. Sleeping Dogs will get an internally made sequel made with an updated engine on Wii U/360/PS3/Vita. Lord of Vermilion for Wii U is planned to use NFC cards. GunSlinger Stratos is planning to come to Wii U and Omni, with the possibility of an XBox Next release.

- Namco-Bandai is working with Sakurai to get a fully working demo at E3 for Smash Bros. Sakurai really took to heart the complaints about the single player game and the online game. He is solving this by making the single player very deep this time done by the Tales series people and is planning to have a Network Beta of the game for download the day of Nintendo's E3 show. This way they can beta test online for about one year before they ship the game. Star Trek will come out with it's movie version for Wii U/PS3/360 and have a special version with post movie game content for Omni at launch. Soul Master, a weapon based spin off of the Soul Calibur series for Kinect 2 is being made as well as a special edition of Soul Calibur 5 for Wii U and Omni. Pac-Man VS is planned to be brought over to Wii U eShop and Ouya. Dragon Ball ZENKAI Battle Royale is also looking to being ported over to Wii U and PS3. New IPs are being developers by smaller teams for Wii U, Omni and X-Box Next.

- EA is working with Playground Games with guidance from Chriterion to make an open world racing franchise in the vein of Diddy Kong Racing as their answer to Activision's Skylanders series. Aimed at older kids and teenagers, NFC enabled cars and performance enhancers will be scannable and will intergrate Origin and social functions like Facebook, Twitter and the like. Will be release on all platforms current (Wii, 360, PS3), handheld (3DS, Vita, iOS NFC, Android NFC, Windows Phone 8) and Next Gen (Wii U, Omni, X-Box Next, Ouya). EA while limiting the budget will also bring Pulse and Battlefield 4 to the Wii U. Three new IPs for Wii U, Omni and X-Box Next are also being developed on.

- Activison has two teams working on Modern Warfare 4 with Infinity Ward making the Omni/Nextbox version a launch title using (or similar tech to) Unreal Engine 4 and Treyarch working on Wii U/360/PS3/Ouya editions. The Bungie IP will be at E3 2013 even though it won't release that year and will be hugely ambitious, revealing that the game engine that is so scalable it works on mobile all the way to souped up PCs. It will feature an open world, third person adventure shooting MMO-like game where the players mainly drive and create their own stories, factions and missions with in the game world, a true sand box. This world will be cheap to free to enter and will have it's building blocks microtranactioned to gain profit.
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