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Xbox 360 has generated more than $56 billion in retail

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In reply to an earlier post on May 29, 2012 6:48:58 PM PDT
>>With 47 percent share of the current-generation console market<<

Where is this guy getting his data?

Not even the Wii has a 47% market share.

In reply to an earlier post on May 30, 2012 12:00:54 AM PDT
who is AEK says:
lmao way to not answer the question.

Well let's see, being centered more towards casuals and not the hardcore audience it was originally aimed for, not fixing RRoD for five years, P2P servers that you pay for, pushing Kinect down people's throats instead of new exclusive content, Christmas 2007 when Microsoft didn't "anticipate the large amount of users trying to sign on at once"........that itself is ludicrious. It's Christmas. Your console's being bundled EVERYWHERE. What did you expect?

In reply to an earlier post on May 30, 2012 12:08:16 AM PDT
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Modern Bear says:
Whether the Xbox is centered towards casual or hardcore gamers is completely a matter of opinion, based on what a person's definition of casual and hardcore is, which I'm sure most fanthings will have a moving target to favor their favorite console. Besides most games that come out are on the Xbox 360 and PS3, with some also being on the Wii and PC too, so I don't see how one console can be for casuals and other for hardcores. It sounds like elitist nonsense.

Also the RRoD issue was resolved 3 years later not 5, maybe actually sooner. Only the original design Xbox 360s had a really high failure rate. The Falcon models were better, the Jasper ones got the failure rate down significantly, and that came out in late 2008.

I agree with Kinect sentiment. I'm getting tired of seeing so much development dollars going into that too, but it makes them money because it sells, so I'm not going to fault them for that. That is the point of a company, to make money.

Server issues are something every game/service deals with. Trying to play World of Warcraft for the first month was pure hell. That's just the bad side of online gaming.

In reply to an earlier post on May 30, 2012 12:23:40 AM PDT
who is AEK says:
When you focus more on Kinect and turning a gaming console into a media hub that just happens to play games, you're turning towards the casual audience. It's clear as day Microsoft wanted to attract the casual audience because of the huge success the Wii had (of course we all know that didn't last). At the start (excluding the fact it was a year ahead of everyone else), the 360 had the games people wanted to play, that they couldn't play anywhere else, along with having enough casual games to attract some players that weren't willing to spend hours upon hours playing Halo 3 online, or Gears, or Battlefield 2: Modern Combat, or people still playing Halo 2 online, or Gears, etc.

The Jaspers came out in '08? I didn't get one 'til 2010. I actually had my fourth 360 fail around that time. First one wouldn't stop freezing, second RRoD, third disc-read error, fourth could only play games for about ten minutes at a time.

It's different when a game first comes out and they didn't expect a large group to hop online. It's another when it's around Christmas time and your console's been out for two years. There's no way Microsoft could not have expected a huge increase in Xbox LIVE users around Christmas time, the same time where parents get their bonuses and kids are off from school for two weeks. They'll advertise the 360 and their bundle(s) 'til their faces are blue around Christmas, but you can't make it so that the servers don't crash? AND they didn't fix the issue 'til two weeks later?

In reply to an earlier post on May 30, 2012 12:39:01 AM PDT
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Modern Bear says:
You know the same games that come out for the PS3 are also on the Xbox 360, not counting exclusives which account for only a small percentage of all games. So you can play the same games one one console as the other. Also there are still exclusives that come out on the Xbox 360 besides Kinect games. Even if there are less than years ago it isn't like they have completely given up like some of the fanthings on these forums would have people believe. Whether they focus on the Kinect or other media apps isn't going to mean that people can't play those games on the Xbox 360. It's just stuff that Microsoft has decided to promote but that doesn't mean all of a sudden there aren't any games available, or that people can't still play games on the 360.

I would also point out that many of the media apps on the 360 are also on the PS3, including Netflix, Hulu, Amazon Instant video, and music services. Trying to say one console is for casual gamers and one is for hardcore players is nothing more than nonsense because they are too similar to eachother.

As for saying the WoW release was different because they didn't expect a large group of players to hop online, that's total nonsense. Their open beta had hundreds of thousands of people online so they knew full well the game was going to be crowded on release. It's just plain hard to prepare for large numbers of people being online simultaneously. It's not like it's a piece of cake to have servers to deal with that, and it isn't like a snap of the fingers to just upgrade server capacity to deal with it. It takes time to order the new servers, get them, and integrate them into the network. There isn't a magical server fairy that just leaves them under a pillow. This is part of online gaming whether talking about MMOs, Xbox Live, or PSN's problems (which were much more severe last year).

As for my 2 Xbox 360s. I got my Jasper model in 2009 and it still works good today. My wife's slim is over a year old and works good. My PS3 is over a year old and works good. Anecdotal stories are fun I guess.

In reply to an earlier post on May 30, 2012 2:21:56 AM PDT
who is AEK says:
The point isn't saying that it's no longer a gaming console. The point is Microsoft shifted from the audience that stuck by them since the original Xbox to move to an audience that'll completely forget about Kinect and move onto something else once another device catches their eye and because of that, people like me who actually enjoyed the hardcore aspect of gaming (being able to play with good people for hours because it was amazingly fun) nowadays only get CoD clones from games that had working formulas (KZ3 and R3 being prime examples) and some of those don't do it well. Don't even get me started on CoD, a series that can't even do what it used to do as well anymore. What it seems like you're referring to is the now, where the consoles basically can do the same thing and the only differences between them (excluding the Wii since it's much much less powerful than the other two) are subtle differences such as one having a blu-ray player and one having an online service you pay for, and their exclusive content. I'm referring back to when the 360 had EVERYTHING. It had games for the casuals, it had games for the hardcore audience, it would play videos and movies for whenever gaming just wasn't on the to-do list, and except for a high-failure rate, did everything perfect. Nowadays it's Kinect Kinect Kinect Kinect Kinect Kinect Kinect Kinect, and they just throw around Forza, Gears, Halo, and "We get CoD maps first ;)" for the hardcore audience in attempts to fill in the blanks.

Now it's not like the PS3 is for your hardcore gamer. It just seems to cater more to gamers that'll actually PLAY the games for a while than the casual audience that'll pick it up because it's cool and "unique", then forget about it and move onto something else. Which is ironic because Sony won't advertise some of their games for anything, and some of the ones they do advertise flop (I'm talking to you, Insomniac). But while Sony had Resistance, Killzone, Uncharted, Infamous, LBP, and exclusive content in multiplatform games, Microsoft sat there singing the same Kinect tune over and over again, and always reminding people that the 360 gets CoD maps first. It would be a different story if Microsoft came out and said "we have this, this, this, this, this....all games you can't play anywhere else, along with this, this, this, this, this, this, AND THIS, still can't play anywhere else", and THEN mentioned Kinect over and over again. I'll never be a fan of strict casual gaming, but I wouldn't mind it at all so long as there's an even balance.

There are some things that can't be avoided in the gaming industry. Certain betas don't come out right, there are glitches in the game that weren't noticed before, etc. Those I can see happening.....well maybe not the PSN going down for a month last year, but that's another story. What I CAN'T see happening is a company expecting to sell a lot of their product, doing the one time of the year where people are gladly willing and able to buy the product, and when they try to use the product and it's not working, they turn around and say "Well we didn't expect that to happen"........the ONE time where, second to Black Friday, items fly off the shelves and companies spend even more money advertising their products, and Microsoft sits there going ".............oops", like they did with RRoD, not realizing cutting corners will have negative side-effects. If Microsoft had said "well we prepped our servers for the extensive amount of labor they'll undergo for the holidays, but things didn't work out", that's more understandable than just "too many people at once..........oops. Here's a free game". You're right, hosting and managing servers is no easy task. But notice how this incident hasn't happened once since it can't be THAT hard......

I've gone through 5 360's since the beginning of this generation. The first was a Core console and lasted 11 months. The second was a Premium console and lasted about a year before RRoD came knocking. The third had the disc-read error about a week after my warranty expired, but Microsoft "fixed it" for free anyway. They sent a fourth one, and it only lasted four months. 1 out of the 5 360's I've gone through worked with no problems once a year came knocking on its door. Both the PS3's I had lasted longer than a year. The first one lasted almost 2 before I got rid of it. The one I have now is two years old and still works. My last 360 was a Jasper model. I was amazed at how cool it ran compared to the older 360's, and honestly I wish I hadn't gone with a PS3 again because I'm bored with it.
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