Your Garage Best Books of the Month Amazon Fashion Learn more Discover it Songs of Summer Explore Premium Audio Fire TV Stick Subscribe & Save Patriotic Picks Shop-by-Room Amazon Cash Back Offer AnnedroidsS3 AnnedroidsS3 AnnedroidsS3  Amazon Echo  Echo Dot  Amazon Tap  Echo Dot  Amazon Tap  Amazon Echo Introducing new colors All-New Kindle Oasis UniOrlando Best Camping & Hiking Gear in Outdoors
Customer Discussions > Video Games forum

The Video Game Crash of 2013?


Sort: Oldest first | Newest first
Showing 1-21 of 21 posts in this discussion
Initial post: Jun 1, 2013 9:04:03 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jun 1, 2013 9:15:23 AM PDT
It seems to me with all the garbage games that I've played lately and all of the new stuff coming out: (PS4, XboxONE, OUYA and SteamBox) plus all the stuff that's already out: (Wii, WiiU, PS3, PS2, Xbox 360, DS, 3DS, Vita, Etc.....) we as gamers are becoming oversaturated! Thus got me to thinking of Video Game crashes of the past and that we may be headed to an all new Video Game CRASH! What do you guys think?

Video game crash of 1977
In 1977, manufacturers of older, obsolete consoles and Pong clones sold their systems at a loss to clear stock, creating a glut in the market and causing Fairchild and RCA to abandon their game consoles. Only Atari and Magnavox remained in the home console market, despite suffering losses in 1977 and 1978.

The crash was largely caused by the significant number of Pong clones that flooded both the arcade and home markets. The crash eventually came to an end with the success of Taito's Space Invaders, released in 1978, sparking a renaissance for the video game industry and paving the way for the golden age of arcade video games. Soon after, Space Invaders was licensed for the Atari VCS (later known as Atari 2600), becoming the first big hit and quadrupling the console's sales. This helped Atari recover from their earlier losses. The success of the Atari 2600 in turn revived the home video game market, up until the North American video game crash of 1983.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_game_crash_of_1977#Video_game_crash_of_1977

North American video game crash of 1983
The North American video game crash was a massive recession of the video game industry that occurred from 1983 to 1985. Revenues that had peaked at around $3.2 billion in 1983,[1] fell to around $100 million by 1985 (a drop of almost 97 percent). The crash was a serious event that brought an abrupt end to what is considered the second generation of console video gaming in North America. The crash almost destroyed the then-fledgling industry and led to the bankruptcy of several companies producing home computers and video game consoles in North America, including Atari. It lasted about two years, and many business analysts of the time expressed doubts about the long-term viability of video game consoles. The video-game industry was revitalized a few years later, mostly due to the widespread success of the Nintendo Entertainment System (NES), which was released in North America in 1985 and had become extremely popular by 1987.

There were several reasons for the crash, but the main cause was supersaturation of the market with hundreds of mostly low-quality games which resulted in the loss of consumer confidence. The full effects of the industry crash would not be felt until 1985.

Causes and factors!
The North American video game console crash of 1983 was caused by a combination of factors:
Plethora of games and consoles!
Competition from home computers!
Loss of publishing control!
High-profile failures!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_video_game_crash_of_1983

Posted on Jun 1, 2013 9:10:45 AM PDT
elect Tron says:
No.

Posted on Jun 1, 2013 9:16:53 AM PDT
Trist says:
I don't see a crash coming, but it's likely a slowing may occur.
In the past, releasing a new system came with such improvement in graphics, it was almost an offense to the eyes to keep playing on current consoles. That hasn't happened with these new ones. The graphics are slightly better. But nothing to write home about. And the fact that as we've seen both current gen systems will be getting all the same new releases as the next gen. just how much more improved are these machines? In the past new consoles came out because you just couldn't do what you wanted with existing ones. This is the first gen I can recall where that's not really true.
So why would people rush to buy these? What are they offering to make it compelling? The social stuff yeah, but is it enough? Plus you've just got way more competition with tablets now.
I will honestly be surprised if either of these systems sales anywhere near what this gen has. I actually see this gen only increasing it's sales when those who were never going to pay $200 for a system will finally take the plunge come the price drop.

Posted on Jun 1, 2013 9:17:21 AM PDT
Jacob Wunder says:
I wonder how many "video games are doomed!" articles came out in 1983.

Posted on Jun 1, 2013 10:26:17 AM PDT
"It seems to me with all the garbage games that I've played lately"

Well every year (even in the best years) there is a ton of garbage on the market, but the important thing is that there is a lot of quality gaming to be had. Most people consider 2012 the strongest year in gaming yet. 2013 hasn't quite been there, but it's certainly no slouch. I do agree with the oversaturation part, but the market has changed considerably since the advent of the internet. Consumers still make uninformed choices, sure, but most people end up with the system they want. That means that, at worse, the other systems will rot on the vine.

I don't see a crash coming, but I do see the advent of a content revolution. The slow death of the physical disc, the reduction of budgets and pricing for a new breed of AA titles that deliver a modular experience without the high intial buy-in, and hopefully a reduced role for publishers (because distribution and marketing can be handled by the development houses online).

So says Mr. Stewart.

Posted on Jun 1, 2013 10:35:41 AM PDT
FOGE says:
There is one reason why we will never see another video game crash: the Internet

With the proliferation of information on the Internet, games of mildly low quality (as in ratings of 5 or lower) are dead on arrival. The average consumer does at least minimal research on most games now and developers know this. That's why we see such quality games matched with commercial success. This is a great time to be a gamer.

Posted on Jun 1, 2013 10:51:19 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jun 1, 2013 10:52:03 AM PDT
DVvM says:
I don't think the crash is coming in 2013, I think 2015 is the most probable date. I mean, simple scenario for a crash: PS4 and Xbone launch soft (like the 3DS, Vita, and Wii-U), and the Wii-U doesn't pick up steam. Companies are unwilling to put lots of money into PS4 and Xbone games (and MS/Sony can't churn them out fast enough) so people remain content with their last gen hardware (plus PCs, Tablets, and Smartphones) except that it's already hard to sell people PS3/360 games so it will be even harder in 2015.

So consumers aren't buying, so retailers end up with a bunch of games and gameboxes they can't sell.

I'm pretty sure some sort of crash is unavoidable at this point, AAA video games (and perhaps the console model itself) are unsustainable long term.

But it won't happen this year, this holiday season will be bolstered by the people who are excited to own the new hardware and who will just buy new pieces of technology just because.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 1, 2013 12:19:58 PM PDT
"I'm pretty sure some sort of crash is unavoidable at this point, AAA video games (and perhaps the console model itself) are unsustainable long term."

So your money is on extinction rather than evolution, then? Pretty bleak.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 1, 2013 12:22:00 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jun 1, 2013 12:32:00 PM PDT
DVvM says:
I think consoles will become extinct. I think most AAA studios will go out of business or transition to making more mass-market (browser, tablet, phone) or at least significantly cheaper games.

But people aren't going to stop making video games or anything. The crash of 83 didn't end video games, it just ended the old way of doing things.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 1, 2013 12:30:19 PM PDT
GarionOrb says:
If a video game crash does occur, it's not going to be because of a saturation of the market with games. The 1983 crash was caused by a lot of factors, but this article mentions mediocre games. The games that are flooding the market now are, for the most part, FAR from mediocre. Coupled with the hardcore gamer's propensity to preorder and purchase a game day one, then leave it in its shrinkwrap for months on end, I don't think we'll have any issue with people not buying games. The Xbox One and PlayStation 4 are going to sell really well, especially once more games come out for them and developers stop making games for 7th gen consoles. I don't think we're gonna get the huge numbers that the 7th gen got, but I'm optimistic that hardware and software will sell just fine. The industry may need a period to adjust to lower numbers, but I doubt they'll be so low as to destroy the industry.

Also, the 1983 crash resulted from not just a flood of software, but a flood of hardware too. There were many, many consoles out at that time. All of them with comparable specs, all vying for third party support, and all competing for shelf space at Toys R Us. Right now we just have three consoles, so all is in balance.

If there's anything to be worried about, it's Nintendo. I mean, the 3DS will be its flagship platform for sure, and I'm not worried about that. The Wii U is in serious trouble if rumors are to be believed. From a first-party perspective, games will be glorious. But I believe that DRM, or lack thereof, is what could seriously kill Nintendo. EA backing off the platform is a huge deal. Sony and Microsoft have evidently outfitted their new consoles with DRM schemes that have effectively satisfied EA, but the Wii U can't do that and EA has nixed most of their support in response. While EA alone may not completely kill Wii U's momentum, if other third party devs follow suit, there won't be enough support for the platform to thrive. I hope to God I'm wrong though.

Posted on Jun 1, 2013 12:37:35 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jun 1, 2013 12:49:54 PM PDT
Trist says:
"Also, the 1983 crash resulted from not just a flood of software, but a flood of hardware too. "

Yup, I remember it well. There were tons of pretty crappy consoles popping up everywhere. But when I saw a Panasonic game system, I knew we hit rock bottom.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 1, 2013 12:57:56 PM PDT
GarionOrb says:
Panasonic may have had a good console if they'd had the right support. Didn't they do the 3DO? From what I understood, that wasn't a bad system at all. I remember when I read that Sony was coming out with a game console...that didn't make sense to me at all!

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 1, 2013 1:15:03 PM PDT
Trist says:
I don't know if they did the 3D0 what I remember seeing was this clunky looking machine with Panasonic written on the side and some horrible looking games all around it. Until you brought this up, I think I had successfully blocked it from my mind.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 2, 2013 11:10:06 PM PDT
Totally agree with you on this that's why I posted this post!
I think that all the new stuff is not going to sell like hotcakes and then a crash comes out of it.
We just have wait and see, but I think that it's on it's way!!!

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 2, 2013 11:52:45 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jun 2, 2013 11:56:16 PM PDT
Sha Gojyo says:
>>I think consoles will become extinct. I think most AAA studios will go out of business or transition to making more mass-market (browser, tablet, phone) or at least significantly cheaper games.<<

yeah, like that'll be the day... unless they come out with an actual controller and HDMI port to play tablet and phone games on a HDTV and also have like a graphics card that's as powerful as the Nvidia GTX 680, worthy of having DirectX 11 technology in a tablet or phone (which they never will.), then yeah. but then somthin like that would cost more than $600 for a tablet and/or phone.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 3, 2013 1:43:46 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jun 3, 2013 2:03:21 AM PDT
Modern Bear says:
Newer tablets do have HDMI ports on them, my Kindle Fire HD does. You don't need controllers to play tablet games because the games are designed to be best with touchscreens to begin with. As for graphics as powerful as a GTX 680, tablets don't have graphics that powerful yet, neither do the Xbone or PS4, nor most current PCs, so what's your point? Do you think technology is just going to stop advancing, and tablets/phones won't ever get more powerful than they are right now?

Besides all the nonsense you posted you missed the point anyway. It's not about awesome technology and AAA games that cost $50+ million to develop, requiring the games to sell millions of copies or the company takes a huge loss. It's about the market changing whether you want to believe it or not. These small phone and tablet games sell like hotcakes because they are only a few dollars, not $60. It's about finances because those games are way cheaper to develop, and thus less risky. If a company spends $1 million to develop a game it's a lot less risk than $50+ million. Even cheap downloadable titles for consoles and PCs are a better investment for a lot of developers than the next big FPS game that's hyped up to rule the world, and many time flops instead because it isn't named Call of Duty or Halo.

Console gamers don't like hearing this, and seem to be in constant denial about it, but the video game industry is changing whether they like it or not. I'm not saying consoles are going away, but after the upcoming generation there may be only 1 company left making them. If they sell way less than this generation has, as I suspect may be the case, one or two of the console makers may get out. The big AAA games may be fewer and far between too. Publishers will either adapt or die off if they refuse to because spending too much on big budget titles that flop is bad for the bottom line. THQ already has and Square Enix isn't doing so great either.

Posted on Jun 3, 2013 2:29:05 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jun 3, 2013 3:20:17 AM PDT
Sha Gojyo says:
>> You don't need controllers to play tablet games because the games are designed to be best with touchscreens to begin with.<<

I may not need a controller, but I prefer it, since gaming with a touchpad as a controller, is just awful...

>>Do you think technology is just going to stop advancing, and tablets/phones won't ever get more powerful than they are right now?<<

no... they're getting to the point where they're almost as good as a laptop. but if I wanna game, I don't buy a small expensive phone or tablet with mediocre games for that purpose, I buy either a console or a PC with good immersive games.

>>Besides all the nonsense you posted you missed the point anyway.<<

if you think it's all nonsense, then why bother replying ffs?

>>neither do the Xbone or PS4, nor most current PCs<<

they're close enough to be, which works for me.

>> It's about finances because those games are way cheaper to develop, and thus less risky.<<

don't think so, and those games are nothing compared to console or PC games. they're cheaper to develop, cause it didn't take much to make em, compared to what's involved to make console and PC games.

>>These small phone and tablet games sell like hotcakes because they are only a few dollars, not $60.<<

they're also not as fun to play, compared to PC and console games. plus they're all digital games and digital games have always been cheap.

>>but after the upcoming generation there may be only 1 company left making them. The big AAA games may be fewer and far between. Publishers will either adapt or die off.<<

i'm pretty sure that's only wishful thinking on your part.

Posted on Jun 3, 2013 3:13:58 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jun 3, 2013 12:37:45 PM PDT
I can't see a crash anytime soon. Maybe a recession if you will, in the vg industry, but no crash.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 3, 2013 4:19:24 AM PDT
Well there are already several controllers for phones/tablets out there, if we settle on one or a basic layout if proliferates devs into making more complex games. In fact it'll be similar to a console, plug it into your tv, grab your controller and game on.

Posted on Jun 3, 2013 5:00:50 AM PDT
JJ4prez says:
Doesn't some crazy group of men and women say this every year?

Posted on Jun 3, 2013 5:37:22 AM PDT
Kruger says:
More like a crash in expectations. People will still buy systems and games. But, not at the expectations (price) that publishers want.

The market will level out. Hopefully get rid of this $60 for 4 hours nonesense,...
‹ Previous 1 Next ›
[Add comment]
Add your own message to the discussion
To insert a product link use the format: [[ASIN:ASIN product-title]] (What's this?)
Prompts for sign-in
 


Recent discussions in the Video Games forum

  Discussion Replies Latest Post
Resident Evil Umbrella Corps might be the worst game this gen 11 1 minute ago
OT: Cable Cutters- Roku, Apple TV, Fire TV... other? 44 5 minutes ago
I just realized Microsoft's goal all along 16 6 minutes ago
The Death Penalty - Yay or Nay? 27 7 minutes ago
Scorpio Is The Last Fart Of The Dying Corpse That Is Xbox. 3 8 minutes ago
Bungie Killing Off Destiny on PS3 and Xbox 360 15 9 minutes ago
OT: My Fame: An Update 14 10 minutes ago
Games With Gold For July Possibly Leaked 1 18 minutes ago
Marvel: Spider-Man PS4 will be an ongoing series only between Sony and Insomniac 0 20 minutes ago
Weekend gaming 06/24 - 06/26: Obama criticisizes publication of top fast food in conjunction with E3 conference. "We already have an obesity epidemic, the last thing I need is Phil Spencer encouraging people to shovel down Chick Fil A waffle fries." 64 22 minutes ago
12 Games in 12 Months 2016-2017 edition 222 29 minutes ago
Microsoft and their console 32 30 minutes ago
 

This discussion

Discussion in:  Video Games forum
Participants:  14
Total posts:  21
Initial post:  Jun 1, 2013
Latest post:  Jun 3, 2013

New! Receive e-mail when new posts are made.
Tracked by 1 customer

Search Customer Discussions