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Is certain colored vinyl noiser than others??

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Initial post: Feb 9, 2013 2:03:32 PM PST
DKPete says:
I have a good number of colored vinyl records-primarily Beatles albums from Japan or the U.K...they all play beautifully and quietly.

Recently I bought the colored vinyl of Who's Next which is on "splash" type blue vinyl. I find that it's very "poppy" and scratchy sounding in spots. The other colored vinyl I've had this experience with was also a "spalsh" marble colored record of Sticky Fingers; the latter was exceptionally bad so I successfully returned it for a full refund.

Does anyone know if the splash colored vinyl tends to be noisy as I've experienced or did I just end up with bad pressings?

Posted on Feb 10, 2013 6:57:34 AM PST
KBIC says:
I don't know anything about splash but colored vinyl lacks the carbon of standard black vinyl. I know that is a good thing, less carbon = less noise.

It could be that the pressing plant is not QCing the temperature when they are pressing the records and the beads have not fully melted creating micro bumps, causing noise when played. Just a theory.

Posted on Feb 12, 2013 9:36:03 AM PST
The only noticably bad one I own is Penetration's "Moving Targets" on glow-in-the-dark vinyl. The phosphorescent particles make it horribly noisy. I have a couple of splash and a couple of "half-and-half" colored albums that sound just fine.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 17, 2013 4:53:19 PM PST

Scroll down for colored vinyl noise chart/ranking.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 17, 2013 4:55:20 PM PST
I think you posted that backwards. Carbon black is added to vinyl to reduce noise. Hence all the high quality 180, 200, 220, High Fidelity pressings (like MOFI) are all on black vinyl.

Posted on Feb 18, 2013 9:49:57 AM PST
I work in R&D for the plastics industry (not in record production however) and I can assure you that the carbon black particles are larger than anything happening in the plastic on a molecular scale. A clear vinyl (100% resin, no reinforcement or fillers) product would always be cleanest, but it may wear out faster. Whether that difference is audible however is a matter of user opinion.

Carbon Black is added for several reasons:

- It is a cheap filler and reduces overall cost
- It is a reinforcing agent (not required for albums, but relevant in many applications.
- It masks other cosmetic defects

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 18, 2013 12:24:40 PM PST
KBIC says:
What do you have to say to that MPR?!

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 18, 2013 12:34:20 PM PST
KBIC says:
For all we know that chart is based on opinion. There is no scientific fact to back up that chart.

I have many splatter, white, opaque and even a gold glitter that sounds fantastic. Maybe I got lucky, maybe that is the way it is. I don't have scientific fact either. I can rely on my ears. My ears tell me that colored vinyl has less noise.

I don't own a glow in the dark record but I have heard from others that those are one of the worst for noise though.

Posted on Feb 18, 2013 2:39:57 PM PST
Billy says:
Im very sorry to hear that. I bought the same marbled blue "whos next" from soundstagedirect dot com. It sounds AMAZING. Music on vinyl in my honest opinion has put out some fantastic pressings. Keep in mind i only have a few (who - who's next, Alice in chains - dirt, audioslave - audioslave, alice in chains - unplugged, and 3 from rage against the machine, S/T, evil empire, and battle of LA)
They all sound very good.
However, I have heard that every bob dylan and nirvana release on MOV are HORRENDOUS and are not worth buying at all!
So i guess they have some good and some bad. My who's next sounds fantastic though.

And if your looking for some more great pressings, try the ORG music nirvana re-releases. They are the best pressings of nevermind, in utero, unplugged, and incesticide that you will find. I've heard them myself and from other fans that the ORG Nevermind specifically is better than any CD pressed AND the 200g limited Mobile fidelity sound lab (MFSL) version, which sells for about $150-200 opened and $200+sealed. Dead quiet and so full of sound. They are the best bang for your buck in the last 20 years of vinyl records PERIOD.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 22, 2013 2:12:40 AM PST
The following is a pretty popular stance online, as a quick search revealed several sources... (quote)

"Carbon black" is the pigmenting compound added to PVC (which is generally a translucent clear color before any pigment added) that makes it look black. It is a homogenizing agent which helps reduce surface noise to a good extent."

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 22, 2013 3:30:45 PM PST
KBIC says:
Maybe it is that about 85% of my records are black. Of that 85% 50% is used vinyl. I think that about all of my colored records were new purchases or sealed purchases at the least.

So, like I said, maybe I just got lucky

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 22, 2013 7:36:01 PM PST
DKPete says: informative little list...and it goes in perfect sync with my personal experience. The clear colored vinyl (such as that used on the eighties red "wax" Japanese re-issue mono Beatle albums, sounds superb). The white vinyl also has a good rating (consistent with my German DMM white vinyl copy of The White Album). And further down the list we, indeed, see the splash colored vinyl as I refer to it. Thanks for that link.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 22, 2013 7:40:00 PM PST
DKPete says:
When we say "noise" as it relates to the carbon black , what sort of noise are we talking about?? Is it like a consistent deep hissy sound throughout an album (as in the majority of the new 180g Abbey Road pressings) or "scratch" noises which are also prominent on many of the new Beatle pressings??

Do the above mentioned albums lack Carbon Black or have less of it or are they simply bad pressings WITH the Carbon black??

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 22, 2013 7:41:52 PM PST
DKPete says:
Billy, any vinyl surface noise (or not) aside, didn't you find it a bit too high ended?

Posted on Feb 24, 2013 2:23:53 PM PST
Carbon Black as a homogenizing agent makes no sense. Clear PVC is already homogeneous; a homogenizing agent would only be required if you were trying to blend two different ingredients together. Again, I'm not involved in the record pressing industry, just a guy who works with plastics, but that doesn't make sense to me.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 23, 2013 8:49:04 AM PDT
Joe Crowe says:
Sorry, not quite. Before JVC stopped producing their "super vinyl" many MoFi's were see-through. They looked black from an angle but if you looked straight at them with light behind you could easily see through them. Not coincidentally these have some of the best surfaces around.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 23, 2013 9:02:58 AM PDT
Joe Crowe says:
Remember back when Mobile Fidelity were re-issuing all the great British rock bands like the Beatles and Stones as box sets and a press release stated that one band was being skipped because they found the masters to be unusable? Yes you guessed it, The Who. Who albums and MCA in general seemed to have poor quality control. I returned 3 copies of JC Superstar before I had one that was fit to listen to and that just barely. Interestingly the problem is not consistent. Sometimes it poor surfaces other times it's spotty and uneven masters sometimes everything at once. Remember the warning on "Live at Leeds" about clicks and pops being part of the master? I guess my point is, if you have something by the Who that sounds good cherish it and if you have something with "issues" don't be surprised.
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