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Initial post: Sep 18, 2007 5:40:16 PM PDT
George says:
Which do you prefer?
As for me,I grew up on TV Westerns,especially those shows made from 1955.

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 18, 2007 7:30:36 PM PDT
J. Yeary says:
George:

I've always been a hugh fan of both, but if you bent my arm, I'd take the movie westerns over television but only because of the length and there's no commercials. Don't get me wrong, the TV provided some of the most exciting western shows ever, but the movies could delve into the story deeper because of the expanded time period over television.

Jim
Spring, TX

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 19, 2007 2:14:26 AM PDT
Hi George,and Jim,
George,like you I grew up with the great western series of the 50,s,being born in 1951,so this choice is HARD, to say the least.
The Range Rider,Boots & Saddles,The Cisco Kid,Rawhide,Wagon Train,there are so many that bring back very sentimental memories,probably for ALL of my generation.Watching Cheyenne Season 1 was fabulous and a "pleasure",and it, kinda, represented ALL the other great T.V.Westerns that I haven,t got,or,haven,t seen for a "long" time,if you know what I mean.
So,I have to go with Jim,my preference is Western Movies,but I repeat,HARD CHOICE,how do you choose between two loves??
I,ll put it this way,if it was a straight choice between Cheyenne Season 2 or Yellowstone Kelly for an official DVD release,for me,it would have to be Yellowstone Kelly,without a shadow of a doubt!
This is NO DISRESPECT to our T.V.Western Pards,who would obviously go for Cheyenne Season 2,it,s an example of the HARD CHOICE you,ve given us George.
So it,s Western Movies for me,but still loving T.V.Westerns.
Okay Pards,
Davy,westernnut from Scotland.

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 19, 2007 2:50:21 AM PDT
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Certainly THE VIRGINIAN was a 90 minute western TV show, so they could easily dig into plot detail on that one.

I would have given movies the edge 20 years or so ago, but these days we have high end super-sized TVs, and Dolby surround audio systems with sub-woofers available for home entertainment.

I'd rather watch western movies OR TV shows right at home, with some freshly homemade popcorn, or maybe spicy buffalo wings with a side of chunky blue cheese dressing and crisp celery wedges.

Given a choice of going out to a movie, or staying at home with Have Gun, Will Travel, The Bounty Hunter, The Roy Rogers Show or Bonanza, I'll stay home thanks! And with all the recent TV western releases like RIVERBOAT, CIMARRON STRIP, THE RESTLESS GUN, THE TEXAN and LAREDO, there's more for me to explore-- for I missed a lot of these when they originally aired.

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 19, 2007 5:48:57 AM PDT
I can't do this as an either/or. I love westerns, and that runs to both the theatrical product and the tv series product. I like the A westerns, the B westerns, and the tv westerns. Pop any of these into my DVD player and I'm a happy camper.

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 19, 2007 10:47:22 AM PDT
Hi Bill,
You make a more than fair point Pard,when I said I would go for Yellowstone Kelly before Cheyenne,I should have added that I would not like to choose.I take your point Bill,a valid comment.
Davy,westernnut.
ps,Clint Eastwood,I,ve stated before that I,m not a Spaghetti Westerns fan,but credit where credit is due,his "credentials" are all there,he,s been in and made some great westerns,with The Outlaw Josey Wales being Clint,s number one for me.

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 19, 2007 11:04:55 AM PDT
Hi Pards,
My most sincere apologies for bringing up Clint in my last post,wrong topic.
Is this a sign of old age creeping up on me?
No answers PLEASE.
Davy,westernnut.
ps,Like Bill,and the rest of you,I LOVE ALL WESTERNS.

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 19, 2007 6:03:28 PM PDT
George says:
Hard choice indeed.
However,I would have loved to have seen CHEYENNE etc, hitting the big screens at the cinemas.
Clint Walker on the big screen,would have been awesome,just like those black and white adult tv westerns.

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 20, 2007 9:24:16 AM PDT
J. Yeary says:
Good mouring all. I forgot something yesterday that I really want to through out. Are hope everyone is aware that coming up on 9/28 on Encore Westerns is a marathon tribue to Gene Autry's 100th birthday. So these those VCRs and DVRs and let's discuss.

Jim - Spring, TX

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 21, 2007 2:42:17 AM PDT
Hi George,
After watching Cheyenne Season 1 on dvd,the first thing that came to mind was,Why didn,t Clint Walker go on to be a HUGE film star???
In 1959 he made the crossover from Cheyenne to Yellowstone Kelly,T.V. to Cinema,with complete ease and looked GREAT,and THEN???
I just dont understand why he didn,t go on to greatness,in a western sort of way.It baffles me,HE was so popular here in Scotland,worldwide too,I imagine.
Davy,westernnut.

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 21, 2007 11:38:37 AM PDT
Ron says:
Davy, I think Clint Walker became too associated with the Cheyenne character and that may have prevented him from getting other big roles. Cheyenne was always my favorite tv western and I always felt Clint WAS Cheyenne in every respect. I wanted to mention some other tv westerns that I don't hear too much about but that I remember from years past:
COWBOY G-MEN w/ Russell Hayden
26 MEN w/ Tristram Coffin
STEVE DONOVAN WESTERN MARSHAL
w/ Douglas Kennedy
Anybody else remember these?
Ron from Louisiana--big tv western fan

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 21, 2007 2:15:45 PM PDT
Hi Ron,
Please dont be offended,I cant remember any of the western shows that you mentioned,bearing in mind the U.K. didn,t get all the American T.V.Westerns,I have no doubt that Chris will know.
I take your point about Clint Walker & Cheyenne,and you can throw in Yellowstone Kelly too,both roles were Clint and vice-versa.
A great example,when The Dirty Dozen came out in 1967/68,in Scotland it wasn,t Clint Walker in the film,it was,"Hey,Cheyenne is in The Dirty Dozen".
Davy,westernnut from Scotland.

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 23, 2007 4:40:34 AM PDT
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C. M. Street says:
Davy/Ron

Cowboy G men & 26 Men never played in the UK as far as I know. I think both were produced by Russell Hayden, Hoppy's old sidekick. Mostly budget efforts but apparently quite popular.I haven't seen enough of either to really comment.

Tristram Coffin was an old hand from 'B' westerns & serials, notably 'King of the Rocketmen'

Steve Donavon certainly did play here. For some reason it has been totally forgotten & I understand some of the prints have been 'lost'. Indeed it is a hard series to track down.

Made by the Wrather Corp.(Same outfit who did'The Lone Ranger'.) Starred Douglas Kennedy, who did a lot of 40's 50's films & TV, both western & cop shows.His thick set appearance usually found him cast as the heavy. His sidekick was 'Rusty', played by Eddy Waller another western veteran who specialised in 'old timers'indignant ranchers' and so forth.Best known for his long run as Nuggett Clark in the Rocky Lane series of B westerns from Republic in the late 40's early 50's.

The show had a very exciting opening sequence & was very much in the Roy Rogers/Gene Autry mould.Shame it has joined the list of 'forgottens'

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 23, 2007 9:22:10 AM PDT
Army guy says:
Hi dave CM, everybody else.

I gotta agree Bill I love westerns small and big screen A & B LOL. I love watching EM ON dvd, and I love taking in a good western like 3:10 to Yuma, taking in the reaction of the people at a crowded cinema. I think one of the reason you don't have western tv series is, there are not many big western hits in the film world. I'd bet a dollar to a dough nut if the western was still thriving in cinemas there would at least be more attemps at putting a good western series on TV.

Does anybody remember Clint Walker in the 1966 film night of the grizzy? I liked the film..and Leo Gordon was on of the all time great heavy..menaceing looking puts it mildly lol. Actually Leo served time in prison, San Quentin I believe it was.And he served in the armed forces used his GI rights to study acting.

Does anybody remember the lazerus man with Robert Urich..I liked this series..I think it was canceled when Urich started a battle with cancer that he ultimately succumbed to.

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 23, 2007 12:21:56 PM PDT
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John,

I absolutely remember "Night of the Grizzly", and, on his own website, Walker talks about the fact that many people remember it and liked it a lot. It's another one that needs to be available.
Well done, terrific outdoor "thriller".

A good many 50s tv western aficionados also
love the "bookend" to "Night of the Grizzly", episode 14 of the second season of "Cheyenne" , the wildly popular "Big Ghost Basin", which for many (myself included) is their all-time favorite Cheyenne story. The chilling tale of the mysterious "campfire killer" was one of the tv highlights of growing up in those days. I remember sleeping with a butcher knife under my pillow after "Big Ghost Basin" aired.

Leo Gordon was always a great menacing villain. And the rascal was a screenwriter, too. I recall his name on various teleplays
(Wild, Wild West, and others, regardless if he appeared in the stories or not). I also halfway recall his name as doing some directing, too.

The Lazarus Man was a pretty good show and, you're right, it was pulled because of
Bob Urich's cancer battle and the effects of chemotherapy. I recall reading in a few newspaper and magazine articles at the time that a plan was in place that "when" Urich regained strength and recovered enough to do it, the production company was going to finish the Lazarus Man story for fans with a two-part mini-series conclusion that would wrap up all the mysteries surrounding this mystery man and end the series with closure. It was said that Urich would not be strong enough to sustain the work load of a full series schedule, but that it was believed he would, indeed, recover enough to do this "wrap-up".

Alas, of course, as we all know, that was not to be the case.

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 23, 2007 8:46:49 PM PDT
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One of Leo Gordon's last screen appearances was as a gambler in the riverboat section of MAVERICK, with Mel Gibson.

Gordon scripted several films for Roger Corman, including THE TERROR (1963), with Boris Karloff and Jack Nicholson (Jack's first ambition was to be a screenwriter, too).

Although he may have done some second unit directing, Leo's only actual credit in this area is for some episodes of ADAM-12.

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 24, 2007 12:39:51 PM PDT
JackShadow says:
I loved the old tv shows as a kid in the 50s but as an adult they are too obviously made for youngsters. A lot of nostalgic appeal, however. I would say I prefer the movies but a mini-series such as Lonesome Dove almost shoots everything else down. The mini-series format is ideal for epic westerns.

Not a real clear answer there. I guess I would have to say it depends on the western.

Dick

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 24, 2007 1:48:56 PM PDT
Hi Dick,
As I said previously,I,d have to go for the western movie,but it sure is a hard choice.
I liked your "nostalgic appeal" comment,there,s a lot of truth in that.
Lonesome Dove is the "benchmark" for me.I believe that mini-series took the T.V.Western to unimaginable heights,and just about impossible to follow.I feel similar with Centennial,and, to a slightly lesser degree,Son of the Morning Star.It will be quite interesting to see how Bury My Heart At Wounded Knee sells,now that it,s out on dvd.
I do agree with you on your "mini-series theory",it,s ideal for the western genre,but,any western mini-series in the future,if there is any made,is always going to have Lonesome Dove comparisons.I tried to start a discussion about L.D.,to no avail,I,m certain I read it had a cinema release before it was shown on T.V.,and widescreen too.Any info Dick?
Davy,westernnut.
ps,I,ve always liked James Garner,and Jon Voight is a good actor,but,Dick,how could anybody follow Tommy Lee Jones?
Brilliant casting,Lonesome Dove.

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 30, 2007 2:11:59 AM PDT
I. J. Allan says:
For me, TV films will never have the atmosphere of the theatre films. Having said this however, there's a strong argument that TV (particularly HBO productions), have taken film in general to a new level. Lonesome Dove (not HBO), started it, but, in my opinion, the recent DEADWOOD series really pushed the Western forward, and turned Ian McShane into one of the great Western characters. The dialogue is so rich.

I also enjoyed BROKEN TRAIL, but then anything with Duvall on a horse will be excellent.

Just received my DVD of BURY MY HEART AT WOUNDED KNEE. I'm a little disappointed by my first viewing. Expected more, I guess. A bit too "CGI cute" for my liking...showing my age.

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 12, 2007 10:49:00 AM PDT
Hi Bill,
I "finally" got round to going to see 3.10 to Yuma,the remake.
Firstly,I think the Glenn Ford/Van Heflin original is a "good" western with a real "iffy" ending.
WELL!!!!if the original had an "iffy" ending,is there a word in the English language to describe the ending of the remake???
Bill,I wondered what you were going on about in a previous post,NOW,after seeing the remake "finale",I most definitely KNOW what you were going on about.
What was that all about?
I,m not wanting to spoil it for any of the Pards who haven,t seen it yet,and more importantly,for any Pards who haven,t seen the original,but,and Bill knows,I,m just "itching" to discuss it.Quite unbelievable!!!
As far as the film itself goes,I will always applaud anybody who tries to keep the western alive and kicking,a real good "effort" with fine performances and a little change here and there from the original.
I think for us older,sorry,MATURE,Pards it,s difficult to get that same "feel" about the newer westerns,Unforgiven had that "feel" but that was because it was Clint,s film,and he did it the "old" way,the newer directors dont do it the old way,or,probably,dont know how to do it the old way.
I have to be fair here,I forgot about Monte Walsh,Tom,s version,that had the right "feel".
Anyway Bill,I agree with you about the "finale" of 3.10 to Yuma,it,s a shame we cant really get our "teeth" into it,not wanting to be "spoilers".
Okay Bill,Pard.
Davy,westernnut.
ps,Bill,I would love to speak to some "youngsters" about the remake,just to see what they thought of the "finale".

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 12, 2007 12:56:39 PM PDT
I think 'The Rifleman' was a good family show. A lot of parental guidance there (especially about 'killing a man never comes easy, son') Have you ever seen the MAD magazine parody? Seriously, I thought the show was a good blend of social consciousness, action, lyricism and history.

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 12, 2007 3:41:53 PM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on Oct 13, 2007 7:02:36 AM PDT
Davy,

Its rough not being able to speak freely about the Crowe version of 3:10 to Yuma, but I guess we can be euphemistic about it to some extent. Glad you got to see it. When you say you're looking for a word to apply to the new version...to counterpoint the "iffy" of the original...try this one: BIZARRE. I think that works just fine. If the Ford/Heflin version could be called "unlikely" and "improbable", then this one would be "Off the Planet". Other words like "Huh?" spring readily to mind as well. Also "You're kidding me?" or "This is a joke, right?". At any rate, we know what we know...do we not? I will never again look at the original and think "stretching it" at the end. I've been cured!
Also, it has dawned on me that one of the quite popular t.v. westerns of back "in the day" has long gone unmentioned here, that I know of. "Tombstone Territory" starred Pat Conway as Clay Hollister , Sheriff of Cochise County, AZ. Hollister was a fictional Sheriff of the county containing Tombstone, Charleston, Contention,Galeyville, etc., in a period after the Earps,Doc,Ringo, Curley Bill and all the others were "recent past history". He held office in the post-Johnny Behan era and looked to be a composite of people like John Slaughter and Perry Owens.

The shows were touted as "based on true stories from the files of the Tombstone Epitaph", and each episode ended with the claim "...and that's the way it happened on (date given...March 14, 1884, for example)
in the Town Too Tough to Die."

Had a catchy theme, too:

Whistle me up a memory,
whistle me back where I want to be,
whistle a tune that'll carry me
to Tombstone territory.

If you're fast
and you've run a'foul of the law
it's a handy place to be,
'cause your futures's just
as good as your draw
in Tombstone territory.

Whistle me up a memory,
Whistle me back where I want to be,
whistle a tune that'll carry me
to Tombstone territory.

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 14, 2007 12:33:48 PM PDT
Hi Bill,
It,s really annoying,to say the least,not being able to speak about 3.10 to Yuma,and BIZARRE probably sums it up.
A wee thought between you and I,Bill.Are we getting too "old"? The reason I ask is,I went to see 3.10 to Yuma at the cinema,and not too long at the back of this, Drum Beat was delivered,watched it almost immediately,and I,m trying to be very fair here,there was NO comparison between the two "westerns",and I thought to myself,"am I too set in my ways here?".
Do you know Bill,sitting in the cinema after the finale of 3.10,I turned to my wife and asked,did I fall asleep and miss something?
BIZARRE,good word Bill,for what you and I witnessed.
I cant remember Tombstone Territory,it maybe wasn,t shown over here,Chris will keep me right,I,m "not remembering" quite often these days.
Back to Drum Beat before I finish.
Excellent,good old fashioned western entertainment.Simple,he,s the good guy,and he,s the bad guy,a story from start to finish,ENTERTAINMENT!!! is there anything WRONG with that Bill??I probably am getting too "old",because I much prefer our westerns,the "new" westerns cant come anywhere near ours for QUALITY ENTERTAINMENT!!!!
Bill,tell you what,in a fortnight,s time,you and I will really get our teeth into 3.10 to Yuma,by that time it wont matter if we are "spoilers",because if the Pards haven,t seen it,they will probably have heard by then.
Okay Bill,Pard.
Davy,westernnut.

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 14, 2007 1:10:32 PM PDT
Sandy says:
Hi Davy, Dick, William, Jim, Annie and everyone, I have been out of town for some days. Just taking a few minutes to catch up on some of the forum. Sounds like a few of you are not too pleased with the new version of 3:10 to Yuma. I have not seen it yet. Just saw the older version for the 2nd time in the past 3 weeks. I want to see the new one, but it will probably be when the DVD comes out seeing we can watch it from your 65" and watch it over and over. I try to remember those guys and gals that were in Western's all those years that was there gift- to bring us those great Western's. These new one's do you think we expect too much-- that is not the kind of movies they normally would act in. So maybe if we had never seen the first one or maybe if we never watched the older Western's ever ......maybe just maybe we would like it. Maybe we aren't being fair. We always compare to the older actors and actresses. We need some new blood to do Western's. Am I wrong here, do you know where I am coming from. I hear my dad ( he just turned 75). Some of the newer Western's that have come out over the past 15 year or so, when I say "DAD" there is a new Western that is going to be on TV. He will watch it and then he goes on and on, I don't like it. He compares these young ones to the Older ones he has watched for years and years and years. Well, John Wayne started out real young. To me he looked kinda silly when I first watched some of them in the past year. But the more I watched him do more and more Western's the better they were. Anyways, my point is, if we don't try and give them a chance we aren't going to have any NEW WESTERN'S TO EVER WATCH. Sorry, didn't mean to go on here. I know from what I have read the ending must be stupid.........guess I will find out one of these days. Maybe there is more blood and guts so to speak which I know I can do without, but in this day and age they won't think of making a movie without it. This is why I like my older movies, I use my imagination. And I can do without all the language but I know it is going to be there whether I like it or not. That is why I don't watch regular TV shows anymore. OK I am done. Like the rest of you, I like the ENTERTAINMENT FOR SURE. Where do we go from here with the New Western's.
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