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This review is from: Atlas Shrugged (Mass Market Paperback)
Atlas Shrugged is a good book, definitely entertaining and thought-provoking. With over 500 reviews here, there's not much I need to add to that. Although I don't like this book nearly so much as I did when I was 18, I still think everyone should read it.
My criticism of the book and of Rand's philosophy of Objectivism(the two are nearly inseparable) is that the psychology and the relationships are entirely divorced from reality. If you're inclined to use Rand's characters as models for your own behavior -- something that's at least as bad as modeling your manners on those of sitcom characters -- then check out "The Benefits and Hazards of the Philosophy of Ayn Rand: A Personal Statement" by Nathaniel Branden. This essay is posted on the web. Like a lot of people, I read Atlas Shrugged -- and all Rand's other fiction and non-fiction -- while young and so was provided with an outlet for my teen angst and with fuel for those all-night bull sessions in college. (Kids without jobs, and philosophy professors with jobs, can debate for hours whether or not the world exists.) Atlas Shrugged and The Fountainhead also gave me a lot of silly ideas about dating that I fortunately outgrew. And when I got to the business world, I learned just how unreal Rand's world is. A lot of people who read Atlas then decide that they also are misunderstood geniuses and act accordingly. Like Rand's characters, they imagine themselves to be absolutely right and the rest of the world to be absolutely wrong. I witnessed one Objectivist applying this to his job. He was smart and competent and young -- and convinced his way was the only way. He refused to listen to his coworkers, his bosses or his employees. He treated them all the way Rearden would treat any "looter" foisted on him in his own company. And, although his manager tried for a long time to teach him to deal with the real world, he ultimately found himself shown the door. He was still convinced that he had been absolutely right. For how could he possibly have anything to learn from other people? What was the point of listening to all these dimwits with their stupid ideas? Like John Galt, he was a law unto himself. A few reviewers have mentioned how disgusted they were by the "rape scenes" in the novels. Most of these scenes are just consensual rough sex, except for the Dominique/Roark scene from The Fountainhead. Here again is an example of how Rand's characters fail to translate to real life. In the novel, the sex was NOT rape. Roark did a bit of quick mind-reading and untangled some complicated psychological problems in order to free Dominique's warped love and sexuality. (In Rand's novels, "no" really does mean "yes.") Like I said, this does not apply to real life. Most of Rand's sex scenes are adolescent and laughable. I'm sure the editors of Cosmo would love to know Dagny's secret to (can I say this on Amazon?) never-fail simultaneous orgasm. Then again, those often produced post-coital philosophical speech-making by the men so maybe it's better left undiscovered. "Love" in Rand's novels is equivalent to hero worship. This is fine if you take the novels as allegory, but not if you take them as realism. Rand intended her characters to be the latter. Dagny is in love with a man before she's ever met him, because he's the most brilliant mind to exist this century, if ever. Never mind such things as personality or compatibility. He's the greatest man in the world and she's the greatest woman, therefore their response to each other must be love. (This, incidentally, is how Rand justified her adulterous affair with Nathaniel Branden.) Instead of finding their own loves, at least other three men are left to pine for Dagny for the rest of their lives. She represents their highest value; how could they love another? (Branden moved on.) In short, you'll be missing a lot by NOT reading this book. But you'll miss even more if you decide to mold yourself into a Rand character.
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Nov 11, 2008 7:19:37 AM PST
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M. Lilley says:
This is a work of fiction and I don't understand the need to point out all of the disconnects with reality.
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Dec 29, 2008 10:15:31 PM PST
GlobalRoamer says:
Bravo! When someone's able to write such a good review (and a good review has to have more than just praise) AND make the reader laugh out loud, they've really accomplished something. (The Cosmo / post-coital philsophical comments warranted sharing this reveiw w/ another Rand fan.)
Thanks for adding to the "over 500 reviews here" with such a good one.
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Dec 30, 2008 9:46:14 AM PST
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V says:
It should be pointed out that Rand's philosophy never states to "not listen to anyone else because I'm always right." In fact she says that arguments are a great thing because while one person will win, both will learn and profit from it. People that take the idea the wrong way and don't even entertain others ideas are not practicing objectivist ideals. In the book, Rearden didn't obey people because they were trying to control his production and therefore his mind. He judged that he would not sacrifice his morals for there needs. Therein lies the question of whether your coworker had been overly proud, or had he just judged that his way was correct and was unwilling to settle for the lesser option. While that may not have been a good career move for him, maybe the world needs more people who will not conform and will stand by what they know is right.
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Jan 11, 2009 10:01:39 AM PST
Tim the Duke says:
Maybe because so many people APPLY it to reality?
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Jan 23, 2009 8:41:03 PM PST
silikon says:
Heh, I thought all those things about myself being only right, not listening to others, people were basically mootching off me when I was young without ever reading this book. I've only recently heard of it at 39. So, a lot of that is just natural youth stuff.
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Mar 21, 2009 10:36:53 PM PDT
Larry Shulman says:
after taking the entire week to read this, (first novel I have read in 30 years) I wondered how any person who does not own and run his own business could really appreciate this book. Before this date, this time of national disaster, and government destroying the possibility of us ever regaining our footing, this book was just a complex read. Today it frames the killing of the top minds and producers of this country and shows the destruction caused by both the unions and our leaders. Maybe John Galt is back out there, at work. Its the best explanation we can find for what is happening now.
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May 8, 2009 12:17:57 PM PDT
H. Hao says:
It is fine if it stayed that way, i.e. being treated as fiction.
But since Rand had so big a base and prominent supporters to promote her values, it seems that people do mix her writings with reality.
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Jun 4, 2009 11:39:14 AM PDT
Tony Hines says:
I really like this review. It was quite a while ago when you wrote it but you nailed it IMO. The one thing I would say about Rand is that she was single minded. She saw politics, economics and love through the same lens. I am very much in agreement with her on politics and economics but matters of love belong in the heart as much as the mind. That is the one part of your life where emotions are valuable. Anywhere near your economics or politics and you are headed for trouble.
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Jun 8, 2009 5:21:38 AM PDT
Steve Hughes says:
Lots of the comments about being out of touch with reality are misunderstandings of her writings. This book is her work of art concretizing her vision of how things ought to be contrasted with how it would end up without her objectivist philosophy. It is Romanticism in art. (Read the The Romantic Manifesto by Ayn Rand). It is also unfortunate that to understand the full breadth of the story you need to better understand her and her Philosophy which the one time reader of Atlas Shrugged may or may not get in one reading without any additional effort to see her work of art for what it is. It would be like a laymen of the artist viewing her work of art and criticizing it for what he does not understand.
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