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Initial post: Dec 20, 2012 8:48:17 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 20, 2012 8:54:56 PM PST
A couple of nights ago, I greeted a customer at Sam's Club with a "Have a merry winter solstice." I realize I live in Texas, and everyone down here is a little bit off, but this guy was certifiably nuts. He started muttering about this not being the religion forum or something and being disrespected and something about the wonderful country that is Texas.

I don't even know what a winter solstice is (I mean, I'm a cashier at a Sam's Club in Texas). I just heard someone else say it and I thought it sounded cool. Is it really that bad?

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 20, 2012 9:43:45 PM PST
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In reply to an earlier post on Dec 20, 2012 10:00:11 PM PST
Artist says:
No. Some people insist on using the word "Christmas" because, you know, their religion is the only one that matters.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 20, 2012 10:06:22 PM PST
Wayne says:
Considering that it is the winter solstice, I could imagine the only people who should be bothered are those who would prefer to have a morose one instead.

Posted on Dec 20, 2012 10:08:48 PM PST
Nothing wrong with using winter solstice in your greeting, basically it's just the beginning of winter. It was celebrated before Christmas was even thought of.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 20, 2012 10:14:06 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 20, 2012 10:22:28 PM PST
NuMystic says:
Wayne, the *celebration* of the Solstice is on the other hand a traditional Pagan practice which is obviously something that will offend anyone with conservative religious values. That said...

Happy Solstice! :)

Posted on Dec 20, 2012 10:19:50 PM PST
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Essentially, you said... "Happy New Season Change." I have no idea how this could be offensive unless you live in Texas or some other place, where folks don't take too kindly to things they don't "get." Or perhaps they immediately conjure up some Pagan Voodoo ideas that threaten their weakly rooted personal religious beliefs (I'm guessing Christianity). I suppose you could have said "Happy Winter" which means pretty much the same thing, but doesn't threaten people with words they don't understand.

Or perhaps they don't believe that the Earth is rotating on an axis? Or maybe they think the Earth is flat, who knows... people will be offended by pretty much anything.

Posted on Dec 20, 2012 10:20:07 PM PST
I too greet people that way. It is not wrong nor bad. You are hilarious however to greet someone and not know the meaning of your greeting.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 20, 2012 10:23:57 PM PST
Wayne says:
Traditional Pagan, as in dragging a tree into your house?

Posted on Dec 20, 2012 10:24:18 PM PST
HumblePie says:
There is nothing wrong with Winter Solstice, it is the term used to describe the shortest day of the year (remember science class and following earth's annual path around the sun). Just a term used to describe a natural phenomenon that occurs every December 21st.

HOWEVER, now atheists (and others who like to join the bandwagon) have chosen mother nature's winter solstice as a "non-religious" holiday date to celebrate...so they have something to celebrate INSTEAD of Christmas or Hanukkah, or whatever. Comments like "Merry winter solstice" are not well received, because much of the atheist movement has so strongly been targeted at bashing religious followers and their beliefs, it is hard to believe the sincerity of the well wishing. The Merry solstice wishes are therefore interpreted as an attitude or disposition of mocking of religious holidays and disrespect other's religious convictions and identity. These are just words and actions that seek confrontation...something that those atheists who wish to impose their views instigate. -NOTE: not all atheists instigate and impose their views, and at the same time not all religious followers impose their beliefs. We all know, on both sides (atheistic or religious) there are plenty who try to impose their beliefs...when they do that, it creates conflict. "Merry winter solstice" is a comment that will evoke such a conflict because of how it is interpreted. Unfortunately, now the atheists are arguing the same regarding "Merry Christmas" - they find that offensive....That's hard to imagine. One phrase represents wishes for peace on earth, good will toward all: a celebration of love...the other phrase wishes enjoyment and celebration that we on earth have circled the sun one more time. Which one seems the most filled with sarcasm, spite, and condescension to you???

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 20, 2012 10:25:47 PM PST
Wayne says:
How dare you wish people a happy Winter! That's as bad as wishing people a happy autumn and not even realizing that it's fall.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 20, 2012 10:28:37 PM PST
Wayne says:
I think the irony is that atheists don't have beliefs to impose. Once they have them, they have a religion.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 20, 2012 10:33:29 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 20, 2012 10:50:09 PM PST
Now that is funny, Wayne.

How many Pagan traditions can we find that have become an accepted part of Christ Mass?

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Santa Clause... or "Nicholas" as German and Celtic pagans called him, was merged Woden, their god, the father of Thor, Balder, and Tiw. Woden had a white beard and rode a horse through the heavens one evening each Autumn. Then the Catholic Church put a stop to all that nonsense by calling him Saint Nicholas, insisted that he actually gave out presents and moved his "flight day" from November to 12/25.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 20, 2012 10:33:43 PM PST
HumblePie says:
It has always been my opinion that atheists believe there is no god. That is what they believe...For some it is so strong that they are zealous to tear down any others that believe differently...I don't see them as much different except they usually don't have ceremonies about it....unless you count protests, etc. Now agnostics, I can better relate...they don't have a view...they say I don't know, and you don't know...they have not decided what to believe. Just my humble opinion.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 20, 2012 10:41:22 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 20, 2012 10:45:31 PM PST
NuMystic says:
Wayne said:
"I think the irony is that atheists don't have beliefs to impose. Once they have them, they have a religion."

Nonsense.

All religions have a set of beliefs, but there is a far wider array of beliefs that have nothing at all to do with religion.

Philosophical, ideological, cultural, and political belief systems are just a few examples of areas where countless people hold (and regularly impose) beliefs that often have absolutely nothing to do with religion.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 20, 2012 10:49:59 PM PST
HumblePie says:
Interesting point - makes sense; however, those other belief systems do not focus on the one question: is there or isn't there a God. Atheists and religious people have beliefs on whether or not God exists...They are in the same "arena" of belief systems, if you will - granted they are opposed...just as conservatives and liberals can be considered in the same arena...again they are opposed, but the focus is the same. No I very much do believe that Atheist have a conviction that they are right when it comes to the matter of God...They Know. and they can be so adamant about it that it reminds me of the fanatical religious groups that also have conviction and try to impose their way.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 20, 2012 10:52:01 PM PST
NuMystic says:
Slappy, most people understand that a great many of major christian holidays along with the rituals and symbols associated with them are co-opted from earlier pagan traditions.

Wayne, yes exactly like that. :) Doesn't mean fundamentalists are any less disturbed by those who actively practice these original "heathen" rites in ways that aren't sanctioned by their churches.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 20, 2012 10:55:03 PM PST
Humble Pie... I would only add that Science is always asking where everything originated, so in essence are really looking for God. Some people find or "see" God in a piece of grass, some find or "see" God in a cluster of pretty clouds.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 20, 2012 10:58:00 PM PST
NuMystic says:
HumblePie, I think it's best not to paint entire groups with a single brush. Most atheists are not zealots, just as most Muslims are not extremists trying to impose Sharia law, and the vast majority of Christians are not fundamentalists.

I have little respect for zealotry and intolerance in almost any group or setting, but I also know better than to judge a whole for the abuses of a small obnoxiously loud and abusive minority.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 20, 2012 10:58:33 PM PST
Dd Cushing says:
Actually, it's a festival in Iran since the 7th century at least, so it's not only a pagan practise, but a Shi'a one.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 20, 2012 10:58:40 PM PST
NuMystic... I never meant to imply that most people don't understand that a "great many of major christian holidays along with the rituals and symbols associated with them are co-opted from earlier pagan traditions," I just thought it would be fun to try and list them all. Thanks for playing along though;

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 20, 2012 11:00:29 PM PST
Dd Cushing says:
As a real live Atheist (tm) actually we don't celebrate anything, and usually we just say "I hope you enjoy your holidays".

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 20, 2012 11:01:05 PM PST
HumblePie says:
Very true...I think my history classes taught me that the birth of modern sciences and philosophieswhich largely began in the universities of Europe had the task to use science to better understand how God worked. I think even Harvard was founded with such similar purposes (I think I remember seeing an early "mission statement" of sorts from Harvard's first year as a new University)

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 20, 2012 11:05:20 PM PST
HumblePie says:
Totally agree. Sorry if it came across that way. Like I said in my first post tonight, (maybe you missed?) there are some that impose and some they do not....it's always those that try to impose that create conflict...usually, what, like around 10% give or take of a given group/population?

Posted on Dec 20, 2012 11:08:29 PM PST
If I dream of a ' white ' Christmas is that racist ?
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