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Initial post: May 9, 2006 3:58:58 PM PDT
RHCP has been on a horrific downslide and wussification process ever since Blood Sugar Sex Magik. They should have just changed the name of the band after that album, and they could have had two groups of fans for their two separate styles of music. But if you, like me, have been incredibly disappointed by every single album since Blood Sugar, then don't waste your money on this one. It's awful.

In reply to an earlier post on May 9, 2006 5:35:01 PM PDT
TF says:
If you don't like the Californication and By The Way albums, then I don't know what will please you.

In reply to an earlier post on May 9, 2006 6:00:31 PM PDT
tes22153 says:
are you retarded......

this album is great and so was californication and by the way.

u must not be a fan of the chili peppers

In reply to an earlier post on May 9, 2006 6:17:29 PM PDT
Nate Rayburn says:
THANK YOU! This album blows hard and John has been mucking up the band ever since they brought him back. Two much crap and too much time between records. This could be a Jack Johnson record. I miss the dirt of BSSM!!!

In reply to an earlier post on May 10, 2006 12:24:28 AM PDT
Your certainly entitled to your opinion, and I'm not going to blast you for not liking the album. But to say they should have changed their name because they evolved into a different sound is one of the most asinine statements I have ever read.

In reply to an earlier post on May 10, 2006 5:39:18 AM PDT
But if you, like me, have been incredibly disappointed by every single album since Blood Sugar, then don't waste your money on this one. >>>

It's funny that you say that. You must "really hate" this band to sit through, what, now four albums since Blood, Sugar, Sex, Magik?

I'd have to say you just don't know when to give up if that's the case.

And I for one find "Californication" light years ahead of Blood Sugar or anything they've ever done, lyrically and musically. There are tracks on Blood Sugar that sound redundant, albeit great..."Californication" does nothing but provide quality control and in itself acts as thee best album to finish off the 90's.

But that's my opinion, apparently you've reserved yours for now four albums coming...

Just give up and listen to Freaky Styley or their self titled release and swim in the days when they were making the same music over and over again.

Sorry, but they grew...apparently you didn't like that.

In reply to an earlier post on May 10, 2006 7:22:48 AM PDT
you're right, I don't know when to give up. I guess I'm a glutton for punishment. but RHCP was one of my very favorite bands for a long, long time... and with the barren landscape that is the current mainstream music scene, it's pretty damn hard to just ignore a new album by a once great band, no matter how terrified I may be of what I may hear.

As for "making the same music over and over again", I can tell a heck of a lot more difference between "Freaky", "Uplift Mofo", "Mother's Milk", and "Blood Sugar" than I can between "Californication", "By The Way", or this new one. All the later albums are just formulaic cheesey-poppy-ballad garbage, with none of the edge, funk, or percussive vocals that put RHCP on the map in the first place. In fact I can't help but wonder if any of you people who like this new album would have ever heard of or listened to ANY of the post-Blood-Sugar stuff if they had taken my suggestion and changed the band name at that point. I think they have been riding the coat-tails of their own fame ever since "Under the Bridge", and we are all disgracing ourselves by making it economically viable for bands to keep making money long after they have stopped being creative. I remember when albums used to be artistic expressions. Especially RHCP. Albums full of weird, obscure, experimental tracks that held an important place in the flow of the record, even though there was zero chance of most of those songs ever getting commercial airplay. Now all these "artists" just bundle up a collection of bland, repetetive songs jammed full of as many "hooks" as possible, hoping to notch as many radio singles as possible. It's a far cry from what music used to be, and it's why Indie-rock is taking the place of the grunge phase of the early 90's.

If you really like this new album, I'm not trying to change your mind. I am just sick of seeing 5 million glowing reviews with nary a word of dissent. Some people who reviewed this album on amazon were comparing it to "Dark Side of the Moon". For whoever said that what I wrote was "one of the most asinine statements I have ever read", I encourage you to go read some of the 5-star reviews that people wrote for this album. If my statement was "asinine" then we are going to need to come up with a whole new vocabulary to describe how idiotic some of those people are.

We are never going to get any good new music until people stop drinking this kind of kool-aid. I'm not just talking about RHCP--the whole music industry is in ruins and it's not going to get better unless we start voting with our dollars.

In reply to an earlier post on May 10, 2006 8:02:32 AM PDT
Your argument was valid, but the Chili Peppers are seperate from what is going on in the music industry. They are still growing and making the music they've loved for years.

The music industry, however, is trying desperately to work against the rising wave of technology that allows music to be so accessible. That is why bands are marketed and hyped and are dished out so quickly, mainly because music is readily available and now a dime a dozen.

With bigger bands that are established, the hype is insurmountable, mainly because the record producers hope they can pull the money in they've been losing. As a result, the albums are heavily panned, especially when compared to the "next big thing" that is coming down the road that will just be "dust in the wind."

Can you really tell me that The Artic Monkeys, The Secret Machines, or The New Pornographers are REALLY going to be remembered.

Since "indie" bands, and don't get me started on how contradictory that label is, are the big thing--everyone is emulating that sound and albums are dished out left and right and the marketing is trying to capture everything at once which leave many left out.

I think technology is the real problem here. With everything up for grabs, the record industry literally has no idea how to capitalize on it and as a result smaller bands are the big thing, but then that doesn't matter, because the market they try to sell it too overhype it and look for something else that is "hip" and "untouched."

We're in an ocean of "cool hipsters" that are ruining everything about music. People want diversity and to differentiate themselves with everything that they'll go so far as to jump from band to band to stay ahead of the game.

Most of those bands they jump to sound identical to the previous bands they listened to, only the different name makes it fair game for them to claim, "they found it."

Eh, I digress.

In reply to an earlier post on May 10, 2006 10:10:56 AM PDT
"For whoever said that what I wrote was "one of the most asinine statements I have ever read", I encourage you to go read some of the 5-star reviews that people wrote for this album. If my statement was "asinine" then we are going to need to come up with a whole new vocabulary to describe how idiotic some of those people are."

I have read them, and some may take it a bit far. But to say a band should have changed their name because they're different now? Come on now, that is really out there.

In reply to an earlier post on May 10, 2006 10:34:28 AM PDT
sikamikaniko says:
They sort of have become a different band! This album is overblown and overdone and lacks dynamics and grit. I think the major problem with RHCP lately is that they are not a bass-driven band anymore! Yes, there's some tasty bass here but it is rarely the dominant instrument. John's guitar parts and Anthony's increasingly annoying vocals are always way out front. And WHY NO BASS SOLOS??? Flea is the best bass player that ever lived, SO GIVE HIM SOME SOLOS!!!

In reply to an earlier post on May 10, 2006 1:10:47 PM PDT
C. Pettit says:
I still love RHCP, and I think Flea does get a sufficient spotlight on a few tracks on Stadium, though not as much as I'd like. If you see them in concert though he still rules the stage. I am a bit tired of John's guitar kind of running everything though. However, as much as it ruled this album, I'm figuring he might taper off with it a bit on their next release, God willing that there is one.

In reply to an earlier post on May 10, 2006 2:13:06 PM PDT
Nate Rayburn says:
Flea has even been quoted saying that he wanted to quit the band after BTW and right before recording this because the band has lost focus. This is just poppy garbage. If you like Coldplay you'll eat this up. This is a disaster for these guys because there are so few bands who can really nail a dirty groove like they did on BSSM, but every dumb white guy can slap this stuff together. Get rid of John and get Dave Navarro back...at least he rocks.

In reply to an earlier post on May 10, 2006 3:52:42 PM PDT
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K. Wickers says:
you assume that a listener cannot like both old and new rhcp. i do, i like the old stuff as much as the new, for mostly different reasons. however there is one reason that i listen to all their stuff- it's good. stop trying to divide people and fans. true fans can appreciate the wide range of RHCP's music over the years. have they gotten worse? no, their songwriting has gotten better (if you can't admit that rather obvious fact, you are seriously in denial) and yes most of us can admit they had to sacrifice a little edge to do this. so what?

and just so you know blood sugar sex magik is my favorite album of theirs, but that didn't stop me from realizing this album is amazing too, and it shouldn't stop you either.

In reply to an earlier post on May 10, 2006 4:43:13 PM PDT
Its a great album and whoever sais it dousnt sound like bloodsugarsexmagik has never heard the album! Listen to "Charlie" , "Hump de Bump" , "Warlocks",
"21 Century" , "Readymade" and "Storm in a teacup"!

They all got Funk! This is there best album by far and although it cant be their "classic" album (that's already been done) it certainly can be their best!

In reply to an earlier post on May 10, 2006 4:52:10 PM PDT
1) I don't assume that someone can't like both the old and the new. But I do think that anyone that loved the old stuff as much as I did is probably pretty disappointed with the direction the band has headed. And every time they release a new album I make the mistake of letting my hopes get too high that they will have returned to their roots a bit. In the midst of all of the mind-bogglingly stupid 5-star reviews of the album I thought it was only fair to try to give a warning to the fans of the old stuff--"this ain't it".

2) there is no rule that you have to sacrifice "edge" to write a good/ interesting/ complex song; please refer to "Tool" for further reference. Some of the most intricate songs ever written (IMHO), and you'd be hard pressed to accuse them of sacrificing any edge. We could debate what the reasons for RHCP's wuss-out were, but it has nothing to do with them being concerned that their songwriting could not improve otherwise. So let's add that to our growing list of "asinine" comments...

3) Mother's Milk is way better than BloodSugar--and that is indisputable. :)

In reply to an earlier post on May 10, 2006 5:53:27 PM PDT
K. Wickers says:
okay, you got me on point # 2, but #3...let's be realistic. i know it's personal preference, and mother's milk is a landmark for sure... but better than blood sugar sex magik???????

In reply to an earlier post on May 10, 2006 10:52:19 PM PDT
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J. Oh says:
I don't know how to feel... The Red Hot Chili Peppers is one of the most original bands that ever came about. And I honestly understand how you [freakystyley] feel, I think The Chili Peppers of By The Way is completely unlike the Chili Peppers of the BSSM and MM era. And that's fine! I was disappointed with the way BTW sounded too because i prefer the old raw funk rap rock but this is a band i love no matter what.
Why must every fan i know only hang onto the old Chili Peppers? They were fantastic in every way possible back then. They were rough, brash and absolutely incredible to listen to. But that was over a decade and a half ago! Bands progress and change. The best bands in rock history have done that. Look at the Beatles, Rolling Stones and Led Zeppelin. They stuck to their main style but they matured and changed to prevent any stagnation of their music! This isn't 'wussing out'! Can't Stop? Around The World? Storm in a Tea Cup?
What I don't understand is how you can call yourself a Red Hot Chili Peppers fan and bash them so recklessly. In Stadium Arcadium they worked their asses off to appease your nostalgia of the socks on cocks era and wrote some of the best funk since BSSM and then what happened? Contrary to what you wrote, dozens of reviews and magazines wrote very negative comments, calling them 'unoriginal' and said the new album lacks and 'transcendental' qualities! Are you Kidding me?! As you said, look at the jump from even OHM to BTW.
And don't go blindly accusing people of not listening to any pre-BSSM. I own all their albums and i think it's so heartwarming that there is STILL a band, in the sluff of the 2000's music mainstream, that can write a very good song, let alone over 2 dozen of them.
And i'm sorry to pick on you alone but unfortunately you wrote the brunt of the negative comments. And are you saying the music the RHCP's are writing is bad? Or just unfitting to your needs? 'Cuz in my opinion, this new album has got me riveted just as much as when i first heard Freaky Styley. I didn't listen to the SA and think 'Well sounds a lot the same music they've been writing for 23 years now'
In all honesty, I'm so frustrated with those who complain. And bring back Dave Navarro? How? He isn't a Chili Pepper at all! The whole band let a sigh of relief when he left. I'm not saying he's not a talented guitarist, but what and how he plays is not what the band was looking for as a whole. John is a guru on the guitar. What he plays has soul and depth Dave Navarro only hints at. John is a far more versatile guitarist who can make music that makes me short of breath.
And as for Flea quitting, i had no knowledge of this at all. But i highly doubt Flea, co-founder of the RHCP, would quit so quickly and clearly he didn't. A testament to how good SA actually is.
So if you wanna bash any band go over to the search bar and type 'Fall Out Boy' or 'All American Rejects' and dish out your disappointment in music on their forums.

In reply to an earlier post on May 11, 2006 2:39:07 AM PDT
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Nate Rayburn says:
Once "Under The Bridge" became "their song" the band went downhill. They've been trying to rewrite that song for the past 15 years. Anthony takes himself so seriously that's almost sickening. Now instead of using heroin he just talks about heroin all the time. John is the same way now too. He blabs about how he came back from the dead and all that crap-he's full of it too. He's always got some stupid angle or story before each album and before the next one is out he's on to something else to be "weird". It's always a new diet, a new religion, or something else stupid. Flea issues the same statement ever since OHM got released. He always says the new record is the best stuff they've ever done and it's "dark". Every time! It makes every sucker excited (including me) and we go out and buy the record only to find this wimp-rock coated in bland CA pop.

They're old, phony, and pointless. Neil Young's record has more heart and soul than this record and he's 60! I'm done with this band. I know I shouldn't care, but these guys have made enough money and they shouldn't be doing this crap. I can't imagine anyone talking about this record in five years.

If you've ever seen them live then you know just how phony they are. Watch Anthony sweat bullets and look for John to bail him out on all the high notes. There are five members in this band: Anthony, Flea, John, Chad, and the studio autotuner (voice pitch corrector). Anthony should thank that little machine over and over in the liner notes because he physically can't do what he's been doing on the past couple records without it.

I wish John would just take his effects pedal collection and go home and record more of his stupid solo albums. Bring back Dave Navarro so we can hear Flea's bass once again!!!

In reply to an earlier post on May 11, 2006 9:06:06 AM PDT
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First, nothing will ever compare to Blood Sugar, it was the greatest CD ever made and can never be topped, not by the Chili Peppers or anyone. Second, let's remember that this is a double album, 28 songs, and that some are pretty slow and boring, but more than half of them are very good and memorable. There are a good amount of funky songs to please the old school fans. We also need to remember that Anthony and Flea are 46! That's pretty old, and to still be making this high quality music is very impressive. To respond to Nate about seeing them live and knowing how phony they are, I dont think you saw the Red Hot Chili Peppers. They are amazing live. Anothony's vocals are obviously not the strongest part of their live perfermances, but musically, they are unmatched on stage. Personally, I think this is the fourth best album they've made, behind BSM, Mother's Milk, and Californication. Freakystylie, you are not true Chili Peppers fan. Any fan of old Chili Peppers funk has to like Warlocks and Hump de Bump at the very least, they ooze funk and style. Nate, stop posting hateful things about the Chili Peppers. You both suck. Look at the rock music scene. What other band has stayed together for this long and keeps producing quality music.

In reply to an earlier post on May 11, 2006 12:07:51 PM PDT
Scott says:
all of you are morons

In reply to an earlier post on May 11, 2006 9:08:25 PM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on May 12, 2006 6:25:10 PM PDT
Nate Rayburn says:
We are all morons for even giving the band this much attention. I'll stop posting stuff about these guys.

In reply to an earlier post on May 12, 2006 10:32:02 PM PDT
J. Oh says:
Amen Chilipeppersfan. Let thou be heard. Take your hating and vent it someplace. Nate you're an immature dunce and Freakystylie get over it. I'm sorry i'm bashing you outright now, but you two piss me off a lot.

In reply to an earlier post on May 13, 2006 8:54:35 AM PDT
Scott says:
morons? you said it. But I believe you, especially coming from someone who thinks john frusciante should be replaced with dave navarro. Because one hot minute was such a great collection of songs, especially tearjerker, friends and aeroplane. Oh, and that Mother's Milk album is so much better than blood sugar sex magic...how's the crack my friend, or is it baking soda? go hump those pink floyd records.

In reply to an earlier post on May 13, 2006 6:13:54 PM PDT
C. Pettit says:
Simply: Floyd was good; No album has compared to BSSM since 1991, but does any album need to? We don't need more of the same 15 years later. BSSM has been done; Bands evolve, bands need to evolve, because people need to evolve; Flea did say he might leave because the band wasn't fun anymore, but after the 2004 Europe tour he was feeling much better about the band; the Peppers still rock, albeit it in a slightly different way; they need John(and not Dave, none of them liked Dave, and chemistry is very important for them and any other band), but they also need Flea equally, and he gets more representation on Stadium than I had realized anyway; they care about their fans or they wouldn't have made sure to put the funky tracks on the album, I know no one has complained about that specifically but it's important for a band. Anthony didn't even care for Hump De Bump when they were deciding but they ultimately put it on anyway for the fans. Facts are important and undeniable, and these are facts.
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