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Author Schaeffer (Keeping Faith) adopts a feisty tone in this essay about evangelical Christianity and aggressive atheism. In the first half of the book, he rebuts justifications from both sides, taking aim at the ideas of such celebrity atheists as Richard Dawkins as well as religious leaders like Rick Warren. Schaeffer asks each side to allow for an evolving religion in which allegory takes precedence over literalism. In the first half of the book, the author quotes lengthy passages from atheist writings, leaving little room for his own optimistic ideas. In the second half, he gives space for his own memories, recalling moments that led him to a middle path of hopeful uncertainty. Growing up in a well-known evangelical family, then leaving it behind for secular Hollywood, Schaeffer learned to see the world as aesthetic and contemplative rather than scientific. By embracing mystery and love, he suggests the two movements can exist side-by-side: It is possible to buck the trend of cynicism and to believe in each other more than in the rightness of our particular ideas. (Nov.)
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Kirkus, 9/1/09
“A meditation on the follies of religious and atheist fundamentalism… [Schaeffer’s] criticisms, buttressed by quoting his targets’ own words, are on target.”

Publishers Weekly, 10/12
“Schaeffer adopts a feisty tone in this essay about evangelical Christianity and aggressive atheism.”

Booklist, 11/15
“[Schaeffer] suffers no one who advocates a devotion so rigid as to exclude any but the stanchest. He names names but is an equal opportunity assailant, laying into fundamentalist atheists and religious zealots alike…Make no mistake, Schaeffer is not proselytizing. He knows, or at least hopes, that with this book he is singing to the choir of millions fed up with or unable to commit to full-blown atheism or stiff-necked religion of any kind.”

Internet Review of Books, October issue
“Schaeffer’s voice is one among the cacophony of voices present in religious literature today. He’s saying it’s okay if you’ve never found a church to be comfortable with, and at the same time legitimizing a time-out for the exhausted religious. I enjoyed his perspective and his gentle nudge toward Christianity. It is also evident that Frank Schaeffer has led a remarkably interesting life, so the book is an enjoyable memoir as well.”

ReligionandSpirituality.com, 10/20
“Schaeffer condemns the closed-minded intolerance of the Evangelical Christianity in which he was raised. This is something Frank does well, both as a storyteller and as a writer of non-fiction…This is religion that is more comfortable saying what it does not know than what it does know; this is a faith of humble, loving compassion that sustains the father who sends his son off to war, and that inspires even the hardest heart to give thanks for the beauty of a new day. It is faith for people who don’t always know all the answers and who are tired of pretending they do. In short, this is my kind of religion, and I’m happy it’s so well represented by as skilled and as admirable a writer as Frank Schaeffer.”

Sacremento Book Review, November 2009
“A thoughtful and compelling guide for maneuvering between the twin poles of fundamentalist religion and atheism. It is a moderate approach that many people will find fits their actions and beliefs.”

ForeWord, 11/11/09
“Even readers who struggle with their faith can find help from a new book, Patience with God.”

Blogcritics.org, 11/8/09
“Schaeffer goes well beyond the typical pat answers of specious Christians who allude to Christianity as a ‘relationship, not a religion’ and deconstructs the eager certainty, venomous literalism, and widespread insincerity that taints and has since formed the mould for the modern evangelical and fundamentalist movements. Not content to merely strike at one side of the aisle, Schaeffer also volleys a fair-sized wad of equitable critique at many of the so-called New Atheists…This book is a war on the evil concept of certainty itself…Patience With God is part ‘sermon’ and part memoir…It is, indeed, a refreshing book and incredibly easy to read. While many atheists and religious people alike will feel targeted by Schaeffer, his is an even-handed approach that does well to strip away the childish shell of fighting over who’s ‘right’ when the question can’t be answered.”

Newburyport Current MA, 11/20/09
“Schaeffer takes a hard look at the new atheists and concludes they are guilty of trafficking in the same zealous declarations of absolutes as the religious fundamentalist they so like to ridicule.”

Curled Up with A Good Book, 11/15/09
“Schaeffer indulges in some personal reflections about his own relationship with God, whose presence in his life he perceives through loving relationships with his infant granddaughter Lucy, his son and his wife. He adds some reminiscences of his boarding school days in England and of the village stonemason in the Swiss village where he grew up. These vignettes, mildly interesting in their own right, deliver neat moral lessons.”

BiblioBuffet.com, 11/15/09
“Schaefer tackles a lot of significant theological and philosophical issues…In short, he considers why we humans have such a great need for faith and such divergent views on what faith means…The real strength of Schaeffer’s perspective, however, is not that he recognizes that there is uncertainty in faith but that he acknowledges that there is uncertainty in not having faith, too.”

Captain’s Blog, 11/21/09
“Schaeffer turns his eagle-eyed gaze from his religious past and focuses on the New Atheists—Dawkins, Hitchens, Harris & Dennett…Put[s] a couple of sharp, stinging whacks across the backsides of some of today’s popular Christian leaders and their fear-based teachings that produce hate, hypocrisy and intolerance…Frank Schaeffer is a thoughtful and talented writer and I’m glad that he continues to share his journey with us.”

starred review, Library Journal, December 2009
“Offers a hopeful vision for genuine faith in a messy, mysterious, and unexplainable world full of contradictions and paradoxes. The book effectively serves as an opening of dialog among those searching for something to hold onto, the devout but doubting members of the ‘Church of Hopeful Uncertainty’…His is a humble and beautiful narrative that interweaves elements of memoir, popular theology, inspiration, and meditation. The end result is a deep and rich reflection on authentic faith in the contemporary world that focuses on how to live rather than on what to believe or not believe…Highly recommended for all general readers of religion, both believers and nonbelievers, who hunger for faith and meaning but are repelled by the polarizing exclusivity of new atheists and religious fundamentalists.”

The Word, December 2009
“Schaeffer’s critique, as we have come to expect, is biting, incisive, unrelenting and often humorous. He speaks as a man who has been in the belly of the beast and has lived to tell about it…Schaeffer’s recent appearances on Huffington Post and MSNBC have placed him squarely in public view as a valued and original commentator on the state of American politics and an avowed nemesis of the so-called Christian Right and its step-child, the religion-haunted GOP…His honesty is both refreshing and unnerving…Schaeffer does not mince words or pull back from engaging and exposing what he sees as the simple-minded hypocrisy and arrogance with which so many have become so comfortable…Whatever one may think this is sure: Schaeffer presents the dilemma clearly and fearlessly and should not be ignored…A contemplative and often immensely moving account…Agree or disagree, Patience with God presents an alternative that we would do well to take note of. It is an Orthodox Christian appeal for sanity, compassion, tolerance and authentic spirituality.”

Zoom Street magazine
“If you can relate to the subtitle here, this book has a lot to offer. It occupies a comfortable niche on the No Man’s Land between Rick Warren’s A Purpose Driven Life and Christopher Hitchens’ God Is Not Great. It stands courageously between these two warring factions, yet doesn’t wave a white flag. It levels passionate rants at both sides…Patience

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  • Hardcover: 256 pages
  • Publisher: Da Capo Press (October 27, 2009)
  • Language: English
  • ISBN-10: 030681854X
  • ISBN-13: 978-0306818547
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4.0 out of 5 stars Comments by a "Fellow Traveler on the Journey", November 10, 2009
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In the summer of 1962, I was a 19 year old Evangelical/Fundamentalist who spent a week at L'Abri, the Presbyterian Mission in the Swiss Alps that was founded and led by Frank Schaeffer's parents -- Francis and Edith Schaeffer. At that time Frank was a kid who -- in spite of an atrophied leg as a byproduct of a bout with polio -- demonstrated guts and determination in the pickup football games he relished playing with and against much older competitors such as me and my traveling companions.
In 1962 I studied the Bible and had theological discussions with Frank's father Francis, and his mother Edith, and didn't think to ask young Frank's views on such matters.
In 2009 I am a 67 year-old Presbyterian Church (USA) minister, who finds himself resonating more strongly with Frank's views of life and matters of faith, than with the harsh Fundamentalism that was espoused by Frank's parents (and mine). Thus I have found his books "Crazy for God," and "Patience with God" to be inspirational manifestos which reflect the human capacity to speak the truth in love regarding the limitations of our "rearing," and to promote what are hopefully healthier, and more gracious images of faith and life. I admire Frank's ability to express profound love for his parents, while acknowledging their shortcomings when it came to their lack of attention to his own education and development.
"Patience with God" breaks new ground in pointing out that the "new atheism" represents every bit as much of a tendency to be "fundamentalist" as any restrictive religious point of view. More importantly, it provides insights into ways Frank has found God, faith, family, friends, and love to be enduring necessities for healthy human living in the midst of attempts to label such things as "unnecessary" in an enlightened age.
One doesn't have to agree with everything that Schaeffer says. I certainly don't. But to let one's discomfort with some of his exposes or ideas keep one from celebrating the vast reach of this man's perspectives on religion, art, literature, philosophy, relationships, et al, is to miss the gifts Frank has to share.

The Rev. Dr. William D. Peterson, Coeur d'Alene, Idaho.
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49 of 66 people found the following review helpful:
5.0 out of 5 stars A Validation of A Kinder Christian Faith, October 16, 2009
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Dear Frank:

I read your book. I think it is important that you know my immediate reaction. It is more important than my academic one.

I devoured this book. It has been so long since I found reading material that hit my soul as this did. Your thoughts and observations have rattled around inside me in an incoherent fashion for years. Your book gave them structure and voice.

But I think you would be more interested in what happened when I tried to write you an e-mail in response to your book. What a torment it is to the "detached scholar" to be set in turmoil by a mere book!

Attempt One: Started writing a detached review of your book. By paragraph three I was writing about myself. Delete.

Attempt Two: Decided to write a paragraph about myself to get it out of my system before reviewing your book. One hour later I have a biography, again about myself. Delete.

Attempt Three: Sat in front of an empty screen trying to write. Decided not to. It would end up like attempt two. Delete

Rest and Reflection: Gave manuscript to wife to read. Wife becomes hopelessly absorbed. Still is. (My wife Gwen is Roland Bainton's granddaughter)

More rest and reflection.

Attempt Four: Decided to write a response in a Word document. I can edit it, delete my personal biography crap, and be the nice, proper scholar Miami University trained me to be. Seven pages later, once again, primarily about me, I save it to my "Personal-Crap-No-One-Will-Ever-See-File.

More Rest and Reflection. Damn you Schaeffer!

And now, my blurb...or a part of it. I had to clear my mind and figure out what was going on. I originally thought that your book awakened some kind of slumbering egomaniac in me. This has never happened before. Usually when I review a book (for publication), it is a process that I completely control. Let's say its a book on the collapse of the bronze age or on Pompeii or church history or a textbook on world history. I review it, categorize its strengths and weakness, compare it to existing literature, assess its accessibility to a variety of students types, look at the resources assembled for its bibliography, judge the author's bias, and make a recommendation: to buy or not to buy (or assign). I am the detached voice. Invisible. You sure screwed up that process.

What you did, Frank, is validate a part of my life I wanted desperately to forget. The pain, the struggle, the embarrassment, the utter desperation of being without a spiritual country. I saw myself. Your book was a mirror. Whether you are talking about atheists (I think you are really speaking about fundamentalists in a disarming way: targeting them by talking about something else: a parable if there ever was one!)or your own past, or the limitation of fundamentalist intellectual honesty, it comes around to the personal. This book is essentially my journey too. It is, in another form, the journey of a multitude of wounded Christians who have been divorced from the mystical, the allegorical, and the real faith for a long time. You gave us voice. You validated our experiences. We're OK, and not damned or compromised or not dedicated to Christ enough.

In other words, your narrative opens us up. I can talk and write about myself because you have. You have started a conversation. One that has been needed for a long, long time. And conversations make us want to reply. You talk intently about your experiences. We, the readers want share ours. But we can only do this because you shared first. So thanks.

John F. DeFelice
Associate Professor of History
University of Maine at Presque ISle
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46 of 63 people found the following review helpful:
3.0 out of 5 stars Not very convincing rant against atheism, fundamentalism, November 13, 2009
Frank Schaeffer won deserved acclaim for his enchanting semi-autobiographical novel "Portofino" in which he described growing up in Switzerland in a strict, Christian fundamentalist household. In 2007, he followed up with the autobiographical "Crazy for God" which describes how he eventually broke with his evangelist father and the Christian right. Now, in "Patience With God," Schaeffer once again mines what must by now be a rapidly-depleting seam of childhood memories and adult experiences to deliver his personal brand of religion and philosophy.

The first section of this book consists of a polemic against the so-called "New Atheism," particularly TV host Bill Maher's movie "Religulous" and the works of authors Richard Dawkins, Richard Rorty, Daniel Dennett and Christopher Hitchens.

This is followed by a series of chapters attacking Christian fundamentalism in which the main targets are celebrity pastor Rick Warren and the authors of the "Left Behind" series. Finally, Schaeffer indulges in some personal reflections about his own relationship with God, whose presence in his life he perceives through loving relationships with his infant granddaughter Lucy, his son and his wife.

To Schaeffer, atheism and fundamentalism are two sides of the same coin. Both, he argues are based on intolerance and offer simplistic answers to complex questions. While this may be true, coupling atheists and Christian fundamentalists is a strange decision. Unlike Christian fundamentalism, atheism is not a mass movement and most of the authors Schaeffer attacks so zealously are hardly known in the United States. It's not as if atheism has become the dominant force in a major political party or atheists are trying to impose a political agenda on the rest of us.

Did Schaeffer imagine he had to attack a straw man of "New Atheism," as represented by a few obscure academics, to make his subsequent attacks on Christian fundamentalism more palatable to his readers? What exactly is Schaeffer's problem with atheists and agnostics, millions of whom lead perfectly ethical, rewarding and useful lives and love their families and their countries just as much as he does? "My beef with the New Atheists and with religious fundamentalists," he writes, "is that their ideas just don't seem to be aesthetically pleasing or imbued with the poetry that I experience in real life." Really? How does he know what poetry the rest of us may or may not experience?

Schaeffer has a curiously paternalistic attitude at times. He decries America as "a nation of not terribly bright children who essentially have a collective learning disability" and dismisses science as "always partly yesterday's news" that will not stand the test of time. In contrast, "beauty and love expressed in art, poetry and religion are among the things that will last," he declares.

Does Schaeffer discern no beauty in the equation e=mc squared or Newton's laws of motion? Can he see no wonder in Hubble's description of an expanding universe and the incredible images of the Hubble telescope? Does he see no beauty in the double helix and no wonder in the extraordinary intellectual voyage that uncovered its secrets? One could, if one chose to, see God in all these marvelous things.

The book is also marred by a gratuitous and ugly attack on Israel, which has incurred Schaeffer's wrath because it is supported by many of the Christian evangelicals he now so strongly despises.

Schaeffer writes movingly and with feeling about his relationship with his infant grandchild and claims to discern the divine in her innocent gaze. But that is simply his extrapolation - a product of his particular life experiences and the way his beliefs have developed. One should not dismiss such feelings - but neither should one belittle other grandparents who cradle their grandchildren with equal love and devotion - and yet do not connect their own deep feelings with God.

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