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Massenet: Thaïs / Sills, Milnes, Gedda; Maazel

Jules Massenet (Artist), Lorin Maazel (Artist), Beverly Sills (Artist), Nicolai Gedda (Artist), New Philharmonia Orchestra (Artist), John Alldis Choir (Artist), Sherrill Milnes (Artist), Norma Burrowes (Artist)
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  • Audio CD (September 26, 1995)
  • SPARS Code: ADD
  • Number of Discs: 2
  • Label: EMI Classics
  • ASIN: B000002S67
  • In-Print Editions: MP3 Download
  • Average Customer Review: 3.9 out of 5 stars See all reviews (18 customer reviews)
  • Amazon.com Sales Rank: #30,806 in Music (See Bestsellers in Music)

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Disc: 1
1. Act 1. Scene 1. Voici le pain... Et le sel
2. Act 1. Scene 1. Le voici! Le voici!
3. Act 1. Scene 1. Hélas! enfant encore
4. Act 1. Scene 1. Ne nous mêlons jamais, mon fils
5. Act 1. Scene 1. Vision / Honte! horreur!
6. Act 1. Scene 1. Toi, qui mis la pitié dans nos âmes
7. Act 1. Scene 1. Mon fils, ne nous mêlons jamais
8. Act 1. Scene 2. Prélude
9. Act 1. Scene 2. Va, mendiant chercher ailleurs ta vie!
10. Act 1. Scene 2. Voilà donc la terrible cité
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Disc: 2
1. Act 2. Scene 2. Père, Dieu m'a parlé par ta voix,
2. Act 2. Scene 2. Non loin d'ici, vers l'occident
3. Act 2. Scene 2. Considère, ô mon père
4. Act 2. Scene 2. Suivez-moi tous, amis!
5. Act 2. Scene 2. Divertissement (1)
6. Act 2. Scene 2. Voilà l'Incomparable!
7. Act 2. Scene 2. Celle qu vient est plus belle
8. Act 2. Scene 2. Divertissement (2)
9. Act 2. Scene 2. Eh! c'est lui!... Athanaël!
10. Act 2. Scene 2. Il dit vrai!
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On this CD:
  1. Thaïs, lyric comedy in 3 acts Act 1. Scene 1. Voici le pain... Et le sel
    Composed by Jules Massenet
    Performed by New Philharmonia Orchestra
    with Richard van Allan
    Conducted by Lorin Maazel

  2. Thaïs, lyric comedy in 3 acts Act 1. Scene 1. Le voici! Le voici!
    Composed by Jules Massenet
    Performed by New Philharmonia Orchestra
    with Sherrill Milnes, Richard van Allan
    Conducted by Lorin Maazel

  3. Thaïs, lyric comedy in 3 acts Act 1. Scene 1. Hélas! enfant encore
    Composed by Jules Massenet
    Performed by New Philharmonia Orchestra
    with Sherrill Milnes
    Conducted by Lorin Maazel

  4. Thaïs, lyric comedy in 3 acts Act 1. Scene 1. Ne nous mêlons jamais, mon fils
    Composed by Jules Massenet
    Performed by New Philharmonia Orchestra
    with Sherrill Milnes, Richard van Allan
    Conducted by Lorin Maazel

  5. Thaïs, lyric comedy in 3 acts Act 1. Scene 1. Vision / Honte! horreur!
    Composed by Jules Massenet
    Performed by New Philharmonia Orchestra
    with Sherrill Milnes
    Conducted by Lorin Maazel

  6. Thaïs, lyric comedy in 3 acts Act 1. Scene 1. Toi, qui mis la pitié dans nos âmes
    Composed by Jules Massenet
    Performed by New Philharmonia Orchestra
    with Sherrill Milnes
    Conducted by Lorin Maazel

  7. Thaïs, lyric comedy in 3 acts Act 1. Scene 1. Mon fils, ne nous mêlons jamais
    Composed by Jules Massenet
    Performed by New Philharmonia Orchestra
    with Sherrill Milnes, Richard van Allan
    Conducted by Lorin Maazel

  8. Thaïs, lyric comedy in 3 acts Act 1. Scene 2. Prélude
    Composed by Jules Massenet
    Performed by New Philharmonia Orchestra
    Conducted by Lorin Maazel

  9. Thaïs, lyric comedy in 3 acts Act 1. Scene 2. Va, mendiant chercher ailleurs ta vie!
    Composed by Jules Massenet
    Performed by New Philharmonia Orchestra
    with Sherrill Milnes, Brian Etheridge
    Conducted by Lorin Maazel

  10. Thaïs, lyric comedy in 3 acts Act 1. Scene 2. Voilà donc la terrible cité
    Composed by Jules Massenet
    Performed by New Philharmonia Orchestra
    with Sherrill Milnes
    Conducted by Lorin Maazel

  11. Thaïs, lyric comedy in 3 acts Act 1. Scene 2. Ah! Ah! Ah!... Athanaël, c'est toi!
    Composed by Jules Massenet
    Performed by New Philharmonia Orchestra
    with Ann Murray, Sherrill Milnes, Ann-Marie Connors, Nicolai Gedda
    Conducted by Lorin Maazel

  12. Thaïs, lyric comedy in 3 acts Act 1. Scene 2. Ah! Ah! Ah!... Je vais donc te revoir
    Composed by Jules Massenet
    Performed by New Philharmonia Orchestra
    with Ann Murray, Sherrill Milnes, Ann-Marie Connors, Nicolai Gedda
    Conducted by Lorin Maazel

  13. Thaïs, lyric comedy in 3 acts Act 1. Scene 2. Garde-toi bien! Voici ta terrible ennemie!
    Composed by Jules Massenet
    Performed by New Philharmonia Orchestra
    with Nicolai Gedda
    Conducted by Lorin Maazel

  14. Thaïs, lyric comedy in 3 acts Act 1. Scene 2. C'est Thaïs, t'idole fragile
    Composed by Jules Massenet
    Performed by New Philharmonia Orchestra
    with Beverly Sills, Nicolai Gedda
    Conducted by Lorin Maazel

  15. Thaïs, lyric comedy in 3 acts Act 1. Scene 2. Quel est cet étranger
    Composed by Jules Massenet
    Performed by New Philharmonia Orchestra
    with Sherrill Milnes, Beverly Sills, Nicolai Gedda
    Conducted by Lorin Maazel

  16. Thaïs, lyric comedy in 3 acts Act 1. Scene 2. Qui te fait si sévère
    Composed by Jules Massenet
    Performed by New Philharmonia Orchestra
    with Beverly Sills, Nicolai Gedda
    Conducted by Lorin Maazel

  17. Thaïs, lyric comedy in 3 acts Act 1. Scene 2. Non! Non! je hais vos fausses ivresses
    Composed by Jules Massenet
    Performed by New Philharmonia Orchestra
    with Sherrill Milnes, Beverly Sills, Nicolai Gedda
    Conducted by Lorin Maazel

  18. Thaïs, lyric comedy in 3 acts Act 2. Scene 1. Ah! je suis seule, seule enfin!
    Composed by Jules Massenet
    Performed by New Philharmonia Orchestra
    with Beverly Sills
    Conducted by Lorin Maazel

  19. Thaïs, lyric comedy in 3 acts Act 2. Scene 1. Dis-moi que je suis belle
    Composed by Jules Massenet
    Performed by New Philharmonia Orchestra
    with Beverly Sills
    Conducted by Lorin Maazel

  20. Thaïs, lyric comedy in 3 acts Act 2. Scene 1. Étranger, te voilà comme tu l'avais dit
    Composed by Jules Massenet
    Performed by New Philharmonia Orchestra
    with Sherrill Milnes, Beverly Sills
    Conducted by Lorin Maazel

  21. Thaïs, lyric comedy in 3 acts Act 2. Scene 1. Eh bien, fais-moi connaître tout cet amour
    Composed by Jules Massenet
    Performed by New Philharmonia Orchestra
    with Sherrill Milnes, Beverly Sills
    Conducted by Lorin Maazel

  22. Thaïs, lyric comedy in 3 acts Act 2. Scene 1. Je suis Athanaël, moine d'Antinoé!
    Composed by Jules Massenet
    Performed by New Philharmonia Orchestra
    with Sherrill Milnes, Beverly Sills
    Conducted by Lorin Maazel

  23. Thaïs, lyric comedy in 3 acts Act 2. Scene 1. Je n'ai pas plus choisi mon sort que ma nature
    Composed by Jules Massenet
    Performed by New Philharmonia Orchestra
    with Sherrill Milnes, Beverly Sills, Nicolai Gedda
    Conducted by Lorin Maazel

  24. Thaïs, lyric comedy in 3 acts Act 2. Scene 1. Méditation Religieuse - Symphonie
    Composed by Jules Massenet
    Performed by New Philharmonia Orchestra
    Conducted by Lorin Maazel

  25. Thaïs, lyric comedy in 3 acts Act 2. Scene 2. Père, Dieu m'a parlé par ta voix,
    Composed by Jules Massenet
    Performed by New Philharmonia Orchestra
    with Sherrill Milnes, Beverly Sills
    Conducted by Lorin Maazel

  26. Thaïs, lyric comedy in 3 acts Act 2. Scene 2. Non loin d'ici, vers l'occident
    Composed by Jules Massenet
    Performed by New Philharmonia Orchestra
    with Sherrill Milnes, Beverly Sills
    Conducted by Lorin Maazel

  27. Thaïs, lyric comedy in 3 acts Act 2. Scene 2. Considère, ô mon père
    Composed by Jules Massenet
    Performed by New Philharmonia Orchestra
    with Sherrill Milnes, Beverly Sills
    Conducted by Lorin Maazel

  28. Thaïs, lyric comedy in 3 acts Act 2. Scene 2. Suivez-moi tous, amis!
    Composed by Jules Massenet
    Performed by New Philharmonia Orchestra
    with Ann Murray, Ann-Marie Connors, Nicolai Gedda
    Conducted by Lorin Maazel

  29. Thaïs, lyric comedy in 3 acts Act 2. Scene 2. Divertissement (1)
    Composed by Jules Massenet
    Performed by New Philharmonia Orchestra
    Conducted by Lorin Maazel

  30. Thaïs, lyric comedy in 3 acts Act 2. Scene 2. Voilà l'Incomparable!
    Composed by Jules Massenet
    Performed by New Philharmonia Orchestra
    with Nicolai Gedda
    Conducted by Lorin Maazel

  31. Thaïs, lyric comedy in 3 acts Act 2. Scene 2. Celle qu vient est plus belle
    Composed by Jules Massenet
    Performed by New Philharmonia Orchestra
    with Ann Murray, Ann-Marie Connors
    Conducted by Lorin Maazel

  32. Thaïs, lyric comedy in 3 acts Act 2. Scene 2. Divertissement (2)
    Composed by Jules Massenet
    Performed by New Philharmonia Orchestra
    Conducted by Lorin Maazel

  33. Thaïs, lyric comedy in 3 acts Act 2. Scene 2. Eh! c'est lui!... Athanaël!
    Composed by Jules Massenet
    Performed by New Philharmonia Orchestra
    with Sherrill Milnes, Nicolai Gedda
    Conducted by Lorin Maazel

  34. Thaïs, lyric comedy in 3 acts Act 2. Scene 2. Il dit vrai!
    Composed by Jules Massenet
    Performed by New Philharmonia Orchestra
    with Sherrill Milnes, Beverly Sills, Nicolai Gedda
    Conducted by Lorin Maazel

  35. Thaïs, lyric comedy in 3 acts Act 3. Scene 1. L'ardent soleil m'écrase
    Composed by Jules Massenet
    Performed by New Philharmonia Orchestra
    with Sherrill Milnes, Beverly Sills
    Conducted by Lorin Maazel

  36. Thaïs, lyric comedy in 3 acts Act 3. Scene 1. Ah! des gouttes de sang coulent de ses pieds
    Composed by Jules Massenet
    Performed by New Philharmonia Orchestra
    with Sherrill Milnes, Beverly Sills
    Conducted by Lorin Maazel

  37. Thaïs, lyric comedy in 3 acts Act 3. Scene 1. O messager de Dieu, si bon dans ta rudesse
    Composed by Jules Massenet
    Performed by New Philharmonia Orchestra
    with Beverly Sills
    Conducted by Lorin Maazel

  38. Thaïs, lyric comedy in 3 acts Act 3. Scene 1. Baigne d'eau mes mains et mes lèvres
    Composed by Jules Massenet
    Performed by New Philharmonia Orchestra
    with Sherrill Milnes, Beverly Sills
    Conducted by Lorin Maazel

  39. Thaïs, lyric comedy in 3 acts Act 3. Scene 1. La paix du Seigneur soit avec toi
    Composed by Jules Massenet
    Performed by New Philharmonia Orchestra
    with Sherrill Milnes, Patricia Kern
    Conducted by Lorin Maazel

  40. Thaïs, lyric comedy in 3 acts Act 3. Scene 1. Mon oeuvre est accomplie!
    Composed by Jules Massenet
    Performed by New Philharmonia Orchestra
    with Sherrill Milnes, Beverly Sills, Patricia Kern
    Conducted by Lorin Maazel

  41. Thaïs, lyric comedy in 3 acts Act 3. Scene 2. Que le ciel est pesant!
    Composed by Jules Massenet
    Performed by New Philharmonia Orchestra
    with Sherrill Milnes, Richard van Allan
    Conducted by Lorin Maazel

  42. Thaïs, lyric comedy in 3 acts Act 3. Scene 2. C'est lui qui vient!
    Composed by Jules Massenet
    Performed by New Philharmonia Orchestra
    with Sherrill Milnes, Richard van Allan
    Conducted by Lorin Maazel

  43. Thaïs, lyric comedy in 3 acts Act 3. Scene 2. Qui te fait si sévère
    Composed by Jules Massenet
    Performed by New Philharmonia Orchestra
    with Sherrill Milnes, Beverly Sills
    Conducted by Lorin Maazel

  44. Thaïs, lyric comedy in 3 acts Act 3. Scene 2. Thaïs va mourir!
    Composed by Jules Massenet
    Performed by New Philharmonia Orchestra
    with Sherrill Milnes
    Conducted by Lorin Maazel

  45. Thaïs, lyric comedy in 3 acts Act 3. Scene 3. Seigneur, ayez pitié de moi
    Composed by Jules Massenet
    Performed by New Philharmonia Orchestra
    with Patricia Kern
    Conducted by Lorin Maazel

  46. Thaïs, lyric comedy in 3 acts Act 3. Scene 3. Sois le bienvenu dans nos tabernacles
    Composed by Jules Massenet
    Performed by New Philharmonia Orchestra
    with Sherrill Milnes, Patricia Kern
    Conducted by Lorin Maazel

  47. Thaïs, lyric comedy in 3 acts Act 3. Scene 3. C'est toi, mon père!
    Composed by Jules Massenet
    Performed by New Philharmonia Orchestra
    with Sherrill Milnes, Beverly Sills
    Conducted by Lorin Maazel


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This set is primarily for devoted fans of Beverly Sills, for fans of Sherrill Milnes in his prime, and for those who must have the uncut version where it's available. The estimable Ms. Sills was in less than ideal voice for the making of this recording, which is unfortunate, but the artistry still shines through. Mr. Milnes sings with rich tone. But Lorin Maazel's conducting is leaden and out of empathy with the score. --Sarah Bryan Miller

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10 of 10 people found the following review helpful:
5.0 out of 5 stars AN UNDER-APPRECIATED GEM, December 2, 2004
By Steven Muni "Foothills Bear" (Sutter Creek, CA USA) - See all my reviews
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Late 19th-century French opera is often disparaged these days, which isn't really fair. Delibes had some beautiful melodies, and Massenet was a much better composer than many give him credit for. And although "Manon" and "Werther" may be more famous, to me, his late opera "Thais" is his masterpiece. There are three major recordings of this opera, one with Anna Moffo, Gabriel Bacquier and Jose Carreras, a recent one with Renee Fleming, Thomas Hampson and Giuseppe Sabattini, and this 1976 recording with Beverly Sills, Sherill Milnes, and Nicolai Gedda. All three versions have their strengths and weaknesses. The Moffo/Bacquier vesion, although excellent and showing Carreras in his prime, is unavailable. (I'm not sure it was ever issued in CD.) The Fleming/Hampson recording is also excellent--Fleming has a gorgeous and luscious voice, and Hampson a silky smooth baritone--but I find myself reaching for the Sills/Milnes version most often.
Sills was past her prime when she recorded this, and her high notes are a little thin and sometimes wobbly. Nevertheless, her artistry is so great that she infuses the role of the courtesan with the tremendous drama the role requires. Thais' radical change of character, from the insouciant hedonist to the redeemed penitent, is gloriously demonstrated in Sills' portrayal.
And this opera is as much about Athanael as it is Thais. Milnes, at the height of his career when he recorded this in 1976, brings tremendous power and vitality to the role of the priest, whose reverse progression from moralistic religious surety to tortured doubt parallels that of Thais, the object of his forbidden love. Nicolai Gedda's singing is, as always, stylish and graceful, and Loren Maazel's reading of the score is well paced and forceful. This recording belongs in all opera collections.
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8 of 8 people found the following review helpful:
5.0 out of 5 stars An Excellent Presentation, August 12, 2003
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I found this recording to be the most wonderful version of this opera for a long time. There were other recordings, but they were heavily cut. This one is more complete. To some, having the complete version of an opera may not seem too important, but it is if you wish to really know what the composer was trying to achieve, and not what the managements were doing so things fit into a certain amount of time. Now with the advent of CD, we can have very long operas recorded complete, and have them available for a acceptable price (and we can skip over those dull parts that often longer operas have).

Thais has never really captured the public by storm, as really none of Massenet's operas have. Yes, we hear Manon occasionally, but it is not that commonly performed. Interestingly, Manon, Thais, and Esclarmonde were all written for the same soprano -- Sible Sanderson. For those who think that this role is very dramatic and requires the weight of a Rene Flemming (who is wonderful in the role, in my view), you are historically wrong. Sanderson was a very bright high-pitched coloratura. In fact, she auditioned for Massenet while quite young, and sang all the arias for the Queen of the Night. The easy part of her range was that part where most sopranos die. Casting Beverly Sills in this role (one which she excelled in on stage), is not a mistake. Her voice is probably closer to Sible Sanderson's than Sutherland would have been. The lower alternatives in all the above mentioned scored were written after her death (Sanderson died tragically quite young of a horrible disease that turned her entire body to leather, almost petrifying it -- Mary Garden was a close friend of hers, and talks about the entire affair in her own life story). There are many high E's written in Thais, and they all have a dramatic purpose, or represent her laughing at the morality she later would adopt. Sanderson was the toast of Paris, especially during the world's fair when Esclarmonde was premiered. Her voice was described as balls of light. Whether Sills sings quite that way is a matter of taste. It is true, she is not at the beginning of her career when recording this work, but closer to the end of it. That, however, doesn't detract from the insight she brings to the role. One thing she brings, which is so often lacking in French opera, is the command of the language. Sills is fluent in French (and Italian), so it is completely natural for her to sing it in a way that gives depth to the language as well as the notes. She would actually, in her younger days, have been a great choice for Esclarmonde, which if song as Massenet wrote it for Sanderson, would contain a whole plither of high G's above the Queen of the Night's high F. Sutherland sings none of those notes, but and only a couple of times the high D lower alternative (still her performance is riviting).

This recording is not perfect. The singers, though wonderful, are a little past the youthfulness that the score implies (except maybe Milnes, one never sees his character as young), but each brings depth and polish to their very difficult music. One thing about Massenet, he seems so easy to sing, the melodies are not overrun with coloratura, or anything like that, so we often think it takes very little to just sing beautifully. He is horribly difficult to sing, for he requires a perfect legato, but in the French manner, not the Italian. It is smooth, but not portamento based. Diction is a must in French opera, even more important than it often is in Italian opera. Poise and retraint are the hallmarks of French opera, never hotheaded emotionalism. One thing that must be said is all the singers in this recording understand the French style.

The conductor understands the style as well, but he is a bit drab at times, a bit leaden in his tempi. He does conduct the orchestra with a clean, clear, balanced sound, which is wonderful. He just is slightly "self-conscious" when it comes to the tempi to achieve that clarity.

This recording is excellent, and I would still recommend it first, before any other. The Flemming recording is wonderful, but the French style is not understood well by all the cast, and not by the conductor. The French diction is wanting most of the time. The voices in the Flemming recording are fresher, more as we would think these characters would be. Still, even with that, this recording with Sills, Gedda, and Milnes is still the best of this opera, and well worth the money.

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6 of 6 people found the following review helpful:
4.0 out of 5 stars A Prize, but one not fully realized, January 7, 2000
I have to admit, this is not Sill's best, but even that is a far cry better than most. Milnes is wonderful and the change from a holy man to a man in love is very clearly presented. It is the orchestra and the reading of Maazel that disappoints. Here is someone who doesn't understand the French opera idiom. This is one time where the pickiness of Bernstein would have been appreciated. The French write so every aspect of a score is important --- not just the voice.

However, for those who wish to hear the opera as Massenet wrote it, this is the only recording available that does that. Thais was written for the American Soprano Sible Sanderson. She was noted for her ease in singing notes well above the Queen of the Night's top F. This score reflects her easy top. Sill's top is easier than most, and Mary Garden's habit of removing notes uncomfortable to her ( which was basically anything above an A, and then when ventured above she only touches her higher notes )should not be used as an excuse to simply condone cut performances.

As for the idea of Rene Flemming doing this role, she could bring much to it, but an easy top is not one of the aspects she could bring.

Even with the flaws, this is by far the best available recording, and the most complete, which actually means a whole lot when listening to Massenet. He intends his works to be complete, and when complete they are incredible revelations of talent.

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5.0 out of 5 stars Stunning
I have this recording on LP from the 70's but I had forgotten what beautiful music is in this opera.I was stunned when I heard the CD here. Read more
Published 13 months ago by William Bond

4.0 out of 5 stars Sills still in great voice
I am amazed that every reviewer of anything by Sills wants to repeat the age old opinion that the voice was in shreds by the time of her retirement from the stage. Read more
Published 13 months ago by William S. Oser

4.0 out of 5 stars Lapsing Faith and Lost Beauty
The reason I assign the recording four stars rather than five is that the pathos of the opera strikes me as too extreme. Read more
Published on September 22, 2006 by John D. Pilkey

5.0 out of 5 stars Stylish Thais Set
This 1976 recording of Thais is my favorite of the two recordings I have - the other being the Fleming/Hampson. Read more
Published on October 15, 2005 by Scott Jelsey

1.0 out of 5 stars A fad
This Thais is ruined by Sills. Buy Renee Fleming's Thais instead. She has the big voice, the looks and the talent. Sills didn't, all she can do is make my ears bleed. Read more
Published on May 20, 2004

3.0 out of 5 stars Lovely but too late
I have a live-recording with Sills which is MUCH better. Sills was always at her best live on stage. Read more
Published on February 23, 2004 by Emma de Soleil

2.0 out of 5 stars A decent Thais, but you seriously don't think that it
matches Renee Fleming's. Fleming is a true dramatic soprano who brings insights to this role. Sills is good as a coloratura. But she should not sing so heavy a role as this.
Published on July 15, 2003

5.0 out of 5 stars The desert island opera recording
After having heard hundreds of opera recordings. After having heard every opera in the standard repertoire and more. This recording of this opera stands above all others. Read more
Published on July 7, 2003 by bob turnley

4.0 out of 5 stars Beautiful Thais!
This is a very good recording of the great Massenet opera with gorgeous melodies and wonderful, lush orchestration. Read more
Published on February 26, 2002 by G. Golding

4.0 out of 5 stars One of Sills's better roles.
I owned this opera originally on vinyl,but,vinyl being so fragile,was warped and unplayable after so many playings... Read more
Published on December 31, 2000 by Opera Buff

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