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After having read all the reviews (in my Kindle) I have decided to buy the book, such mainly on the grounds of the negative, bigotted reactions from the Zionist apologists.
I have just finished reading 'The Wandering who". There is only one critcism I have to make and that is that the book is too short. His reasoning is sublime and supported by an impressive bibliography of references from a variety of sources. On the whole I found his reasoning clear and easy to follow. There are parts I had to reread twice before I could grasp the meaning. It is a book that one has to read several times. I have read scores of books on the history of the Israeli/Palestine conflict and find this one of the best. It is a must reading it and is in particular recommended to politicians and news paper review editors. But before I am accused of anti-semitism one should know that during WW2 I lived in Nazi occupied Europe and my parents were harbouring Jewish people to save them from the horrors of the Nazi concentration camps and by doing so putting their own lives on the line. They were also active in the resistance. When I went to school we learned during our geography lessons about a country called Palestine; we had to locate Jaffa, Tel Aviv and Jerusalem on the map. Nobody had ever heard of a country called 'Israel'. They are these experiences which have coloured my political views of the present ME conflict and the legal right of people all over the world to resist occupation of their land. I am well aware of the horrors of the Nazi concentration camps, they can never be denied and no one is denying that, not even Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. Yet I am still a 'Holocaust denyer'. The problem is that the meaning of this expression is misunderstood by most people. A holocaust denyer is not denying that six milion Jews were slaugtered and gassed by the Nazis during WW2. However there were many others murdered by the Nazis: Gypsies, Jehova Witnesses, homosexuals and Russian and Balkan partizan resistance fighters. Moreover history has known several holocausts in the past: the Armenian, the North and South American Indians. And what about the milions slaughtered by American emperialism (and Pol Pot) in Indo China, Iraq and Afghanstan. Were they not 'holocausts' to those people ? True the majority of the Nazi holocaust were Jews. However what holocaust denyers reject is the hijacking by Zionism of the Nazi holocaust to justify its creation occupation and expulsion of the indigenous people of Palestine and creating a new holocaust (Nakba/Catastrophe) for those people. There was no need to create an exclusive Jewish settlers state in Palestine and the brutal expulsion of its indigenous populaton, people who had lived and worked their land there for thousands of years. There was no necessity to create such a state, in the middle of the Arab world based on absurd mythical unfounded Biblical grounds. To date there does not exist any archeological or forensic evidence to support contradictory and confused Biblical texts on which to base Zionism's claims. (please read 'The Bible unearthed'). Right from its very inception it was a recipe for disaster, a disaster that is still unfolding for our own eyes. Even in the pre-war years several British and American statemen have warned for the distastrous consequences that such an absurd enterprise could entail.
Jewish people in western Europe were not discriminated, persecuted or despised, as we have seen during some periods in the Soviet Union and Poland and later in Germany. They were completely assimilated and felt like citizens in their respective countries in France, Belgium, The Netherlands, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Finland and Britain. They had their religion and synagogues, the same as Protestants and Catholics have their churches. Most west European Jews who survived the deathcamps returned to their respective countries and were welcomed with open arms and compassion. Most of the DP's (displaced persons) preferred - understandably - to migrate to the US. The US at the time had proposals for the issue of 400,000 visas for the DP,s, but as result of strong Zionist lobbying and the pressure they exerted on the deathcamp survivors the visas were withdrawn as Zionists needed man power for their colonial project in Palestine.
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Initial post: Mar 20, 2012 2:37:57 PM PDT
Bravo, Tom, and many blessings on your parents and you, too.
The suffering endured by the German people, and the crimes of the American and British armies, have not been revealed or adequately confronted. The Fire: The Bombing of Germany, 1940-1945 is a searing account of how the Allies deliberately planned and carried out a campaign of terrorization and incineration of German civilians, destroying hundreds of ancient and historic cities, towns, villages, and hundreds of thousands of people.
And yet -- in Being Present: Growing Up in Hitler's Germany and The War of Our Childhood: Memories of World War II the authors reflect on their childhoods in wartorn Germany and the suffering and horror they endured, but equally reflect their commitment to living productive lives even as many of them still experience nightmares and flashbacks.
Posted on Mar 20, 2012 7:43:07 PM PDT
Atzmon discussed his book on tour in the US last week (second week Mar. 2012).
Atzmon's thinking process is far deeper than any what the think tankers and pundits are willing to attempt. Here's how he concluded a recent speaking appearance:
"There is one more concept. That is crucial for me to mention.
The more brutal you are to the Other the more tormented you become by the possibility that the other is as brutal as yourself . Easy. If you are very vicious to your girlfriend you may imply that she may be as vicious as you. If your girlfriend is helpless and you're really aggressive toward her ----- then you're much more tormented because you realize that you are a beast.
When you throw white phosphorus on Palestinian hospitals you must be tormented because they must be as well as crazy as me. And this is a devastating vicious circle. And this is exactly the state of israel. And they are more and more and more tormentedWhy America is so so so so Americans are so afraid of Iran. It's because you - not you, but YOU nuked Hiroshima, Nagasaki, flattened ¾ of German cities with firebombs; [you killed] 3 million in Viet Nam, 1.5 million in Iraq, so you know this is - you must think in these categories. You project your genocidal tendencies on the Others. And this is where pre-traumatic stress matures into a vivid horrifying
What is the way around it. It's funny. Jesus. Turn the other cheek. This is the only way around it. And this is what we need. Now with aipac dominating your foreign policy you're not going to turn the other cheek. You're strong enough to turn the other cheek. You're strong enough to tell the afghanis you know what, sorry, we start to bomb you with food now. With electronics. What you want? It's yours. You [US] are strong enough to do it. But this is not what aipac is all about."
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Thanks Seer for making me aware of these books. They may be interesting. Just received your comment on Atzman's quote while touring the US. I cannot understand how anyone could disagree with him. Of course he is dead right. Hope he will visit NZ one day, but I am afraid that our national news media will ignore him as others who visited these shores were ignored by our press. His book 'The wandering who' is highly recommended.....
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Amazon please note: The two remarks by Scott Steel are offensive and do not add one iota to the discussion. I have requested to remove his comments from the discussion as inappropriate.
Posted on Aug 4, 2012 8:32:12 AM PDT
If you were taught as a child about a country "called Palestine," the remembrance of which you credit for your present political and ideological orientation with regard to the topic, you are the fool's fool..for, both the one who taught you this myth is a fool, as well as the proverbial apple (you) who did not fall far from the tree. There was never a country called Palestine, just a region renamed so by the emperor Hadrian, from its former name, Judea, which of course translates as "Land of the Jews." Hadrian, like you, wanted to expunge forever the ancestral Jewish connection to the land, as he too was a hater of Jewish nationalism. I presume you wouldn't dismiss the non-Jewish testimony of your fellow Gentiles (for example, Tacitus) bearing witness to the antiquity of the Jewish presence in Judea/Israel. I would suggest Josephus too, but you would likely dismiss him as a "Zionist." But, to suggest anything of the likes of these is obviously worthless, as you are obviously not a seeker of truth with regard to this issue, but a devotee of the long tradition of the Gentile world to disinherit the Jews of both our history and place in the world in the name of whatever Gentile cause-i.e. Church successionalism/triumphalism, Gentile nationalisms, Anti-Zionism, Globalism-that provides a platform for such sentiments. By the way, the book you suggest for debunking the Bible, "The Bible Unearthed," has itself been debunked, and only represents the opinion of about 5-10% of archaeologists. Unlike you, I do subscribe to those "mythical and unfounded" Biblical texts, and rejoice in their being fulfilled in our very day. Indeed, it is us who are presently triumphant, and will ultimately triumph in totality our enemies.
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Your reasoning abilities seem to be rather defunct hence the ressort to abuse, typical for those who have no argument. I did not question the 'existence of a Palestine'. The name Palestine was given to the strip of land east of the Meditaranian in 1920 after the demise of the Ottoman Empire and as such accepted by the international community. I suggest you have a look at the maps of the world and news papers of the time. They did not name it 'Israel'. Palestine is derived from Philistine the ancient seafarers who colonized the coastal areas some 2000/3000 year ago and traded and made war with the Canaans east of them. The name Israel is a Biblical name denoting a sect or movement within Canaan society who were striving for a 'One God' Religion. They are thought to be the ones who wrote the Old Testament. Israelis were in fact ethnically Canaans who later round 750 ad converted to Islam. Your statement about my 'political and ideological orientations' is absurd. My views are based on finding from renowned archeologists and historians many of them Jewish, for whom I have the highest regards and respect for their integrity and above all their courage (against abuse and death threats) to challenge Zionist propaganda and misinformation.
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Posted on Aug 5, 2012 6:53:32 AM PDT
I don't understand! You say during WWII your parents harbored Jews so they wouldn't end up in the Nazi concentration camps: How did your parents KNOW? The Jews who meekly climbed aboard the Nazi trains didn't know; supposedly the German civilian population didn't know, and supposedly the Polish (ditto). The Brits and the US didn't know. So how did your parents know? And why did it take so many years AFTER WWII for the news of those camps to get out? How did your parents know???
In reply to an earlier post on Aug 5, 2012 1:09:02 PM PDT
Who cares about the "world" naming it Palestine or not?...the consensus of the "world" in most matters, especially moral matters, is mostly wrong most of the time. With regard to your assertion or subtle suggestion that Ashkenazi/European Jews are descendents of someone other than the Biblical Israelites (I presume you buy into the disproven Khazar theory), the most recent genetic/DNA testing has proven otherwise, and confirms a common Near Eastern fore-bearer of both Askenazi and Sephardic Jews...both of whom have more genetic links with one another than they they do with their respective Gentile host populations with whom they live and often resemble physically.