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This review is from: The Language of God: A Scientist Presents Evidence for Belief (Hardcover)
Collins' book is a good introduction to its subject matter but is unlikely to be satisfying to anyone who has spent any time reflecting on the issues discussed. If you are an atheist/agnostic who assumes belief in God is irrational or a Christian who assumes that Darwinism is incompatible with your faith, the book makes some thought-provoking arguments to jog you from your "dogmatic slumbers." But for people in both camps who have already spent some time reflecting on the issues, Collins' superficial treatment is disappointing. One question that both atheists skeptical of Christianity and Christians skeptical of Darwinism might want an answer to -- and the reason I bought the book -- is the question of how a process of evolution fraught with death, suffering, sub-optimal "design" and waste is compatible with the existence of a loving God. Collins doesn't even bring this question up, despite his discussion of Christian objections to Darwinism. Given his scientific stature, I encourage Collins to write a second more scholarly book to flesh out the arguments begun here.
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Initial post: Jan 16, 2007 11:51:44 AM PST
R. Bartlett says:
In reply to an earlier post on May 19, 2007 10:38:02 PM PDT
Oh give us a break with the Mormonism. By the way, we don't know who wrote Hebrews, so it is a bit presumptuous to claim Paul for Heb. 11:40.
Posted on Mar 28, 2010 10:03:10 AM PDT
While I am not criticizing you, like many people, you assume that your definition of love is that of God's. This is precisely the point of the Christian view of Biblical revelation. "For God so loved the world that he gave his only son, that whosoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life" John 3:16. You may have a problem with the idea of revelation or even God and that's okay. But if we are discussing the idea (for me a reality) of the creator of the universe, how could one possibly think he could plumb the depths of his mind? This is a classic error among atheists and skeptics alike, logic fails here! You can have a problem with anything else like Christopher Hitchens and the like but don't assume that you can think on the level of God
Posted on Jul 18, 2010 7:27:52 PM PDT
Donna Yeager says:
Thanks for your review. I was excited about this book. I was hoping there would be something to add to my own belief. How disappointing to find it is superficial. In answer to your question...Perhaps God wanted to experience death and suffering. As for waste--if all things are of God (and I believe this is true, and that God is the infintesimal speck that existed in the moment before the Big-Bang), then waste is a moot point. :) Thanks again for saving me from another 'Celestine Prophecy' experience. :)
Posted on Sep 9, 2010 4:45:57 PM PDT
"the question of how a process of evolution fraught with death, suffering, sub-optimal "design" and waste is compatible with the existence of a loving God."
Of your review, this part really stuck out for me because I feel like it is a very important question to address. If you're looking for arguments to support this theory, I would recommend Dr. Kenneth Miller's book "Finding Darwin's God: A Scientist's Search for Common Ground Between God and Evolution", as it is this question that the entire book is about. The first half is a pure argument support evolution and the big bang, while the second part is focused on addressing the question of why and how the two are compatible with one another.
Posted on Sep 17, 2010 6:34:38 AM PDT
Miguel Cazares says:
Posted on Nov 4, 2010 10:46:25 PM PDT
Alfredo Watkins says:
Collins is not a professional philosopher; he's a scientist. I wouldn't expect too much in terms of deep philosophical insight. I liked the book because it was coming from a professional in the field of science. I didn't really want to know what his philosophical thoughts were. For real answers to this, see here:
In reply to an earlier post on Nov 12, 2010 10:26:25 PM PST
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E. Sheehan says:
@ Stalker...Well, I like the way you think here. What if one did not assume to think on the level of god and just was open to attaining that level and found that within them self? What if we believed in nothing and waited to see what came to our doorstep. If their is a god or source of it all, wouldn't it be within? Just some things that I found from reading your review. Thank You
Posted on Dec 1, 2010 12:50:57 PM PST
Good review. I thought I would share my own thoughts on your writing, "...with death, suffering, sub-optimal "design" and waste is compatible with the existence of a loving God," I think there are two concepts that come to mind at least for me. The first is the concept of free will. The second depends somewhat on the first in that were God to have given us free will, what would it mean were He to interfere? I call this the "God as Puppeteer" argument. If He interferes to correct all wrongs, then why have people on earth at all? Why not just a heaven? If there is a God and we are here for a purpose, then I cannot imagine that the purpose would be a puppet show for His entertainment. Which leads me back to concept one: why free will? I have my own responses to this one as well but I think that is the tougher question anyway.
In reply to an earlier post on Aug 28, 2011 8:12:08 AM PDT
M. Peterson says:
Amen to that!!! It's interesting that so many readers here don't think this post adds to the discussion....well, this post actually answers the question the original reviewer posed: "the question of how a process of evolution fraught with death, suffering, sub-optimal "design" and waste is compatible with the existence of a loving God."
If one is not sure of the answer, than I would encourage him/her to study the Bible rather than human reviews. All you need to know is in there.....and God will open your eyes to the answers you're looking for when you ask HIm to do so.
This post his hidden because it contains the TRUTH. Human nature is to reject and run from anything that does not fit into their own idea of the "answer." Thank you, Lord, for providing a way out!!!