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3.0 out of 5 stars Interesting Reading but do it with a wink wink, May 2, 2005
This review is from: Brother Iron, Sister Steel: A Bodybuilder's Book (Paperback)
I read the book and enjoyed it and looked at it for what it was---a book thats not really applicable for the average person.

What people don't understand is that Mr. Draper, like all body builders of the 60's through today, took steroids to build his stature. Hence, you cannot mimic him in his routines.

My advice, if you are looking for advice on working out and building muscle stay with books on natural training and a natural lifestyle.
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Initial post: Oct 16, 2008 2:46:11 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jan 3, 2012 1:25:31 AM PST
Your presupposition is flawed. Not all bodybuilders from the 60's on did steroids. Vince Taylor is one of the oldest competing bodybuilders and he has never touched a steroid. He is very conscientous of his health.
You might also look into the "Colorado Experiment" if you believe that steroids are a prerequisite to muscle gains.
Most doctors will tell you that steroids are not a requirement to build such a physique. It is very much genetics, combined with diet and exercise. All steroids do is increase protein synthesis.
A lot of lazy and ignorant people throw steroids out as an excuse for their own shortcomings. "Well if I did steroids..."
My answer to that is "Well if you got off your couch..."

Here's what Dave has to say on the subject:
http://www.davedraper.com/steroids.html

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 5, 2009 6:31:59 PM PDT
T. Lucas says:
I like Vince Taylor also. He's one of my favorites of that era but you have got to be pretty nieve ,really young ,or both to think that he was natural. I agree with you that not all bodybuilders of the 60's was juicing but then again you can say that about today. I will say that ALL pro's from the mid to late 60's thru today that are competetive are juicing. I will also say that most if not all pro's don't know how to train with out drugs. Dave Draper is a great bodybuiler but as a pro he was not natural. He is however a great writer.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 13, 2009 12:43:11 PM PST
I dont believe them. Period. The human body cannot get that big without the use of artificial means.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 13, 2009 12:43:50 PM PST
AMEN and right on.

Posted on Apr 13, 2010 9:10:54 AM PDT
Goth Hippy says:
Not ALL bodybuilders took steroids. Bill Pearl is against using steroids, and he won 4 Mr. Universes' without them.

Though I agree that a lot of competitors DO use steroids, which, while it gives them the edge immediately, they will pay for it with their health long-term...I even read an advice column in 'Natural Bodybuilding' magazine where the columnist condoned the use of steroids - say WHAT??

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 18, 2010 11:31:38 PM PDT
Lyle says:
It is a well known FACT that Bill Pearl used Dianabol in the 60's, as many bodybuilders and all pros did. Also before people get too judgemental they were not illegal then and were not initially frowned upon by the medical community until people went overboard with them, like everything else. Dave Draper used Dbol, so did Arnold and all the rest...you cannot be honest about these things once you become a role model and a legend due to the stigma in our society and the unwarranted writing-off of all it took to become great, simply because of some steroid use. Steroids don't make a champion a champion, pure and simple. Dedication does. Anyway, Draper acknowledges he used steroids, but like the few other champions that will actually go on record and admit it, he wants to make sure he is not viewed as a promoter of them. This is the 2nd reason most pros deny it, they don't want to encourage the young and naive, and especially the incompetent out there to do anything that could cause lasting negative affects because they were idiots and didn't know what they were doing. Also, steroid use was done in relative moderation compared to the insane dosages of today.
Coleman is a prime example of the mega-dosing of steroids and massive amounts of other, non-steroidal drugs so prevailant today. He's also a former Texas cop...you aren't that bright if you think he's going to openly admit to illegal activity.
It takes the ideal combination of genetics, DEDICATION and KNOWLEDGE, and anabolics to be a national or world champion today. Yes, David most pros do not have good advice or understanding of successful training techniques and programs for natural athletes...but many do, as after retiring many became successful coaches and personal trainers. Draper is one such person. People need to stop cookie cutting and generalizing things to fit their own views, life and people are not that simple.

Posted on Jan 3, 2012 1:46:29 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Jan 4, 2012 12:01:36 AM PST
Forgot all about my comment here. Wow have people jumped to conclusions about what I said.
1st, I never said Draper didn't do steroids. In fact, in the link I posted, he admits to it. However, he also now feels it was a mistake. Dave Draper is honest and I have a lot of respect for him and his wife.
2nd, never said most pros through the decades haven't done them. I'm sure most have. They very well may be necessary to look like the cartoon characters in modern BB'ing.

What I did say is that not every single pro since the 60's has done them, and that you can build a great physique without them.
I stand by that.

I'd also like to add that the basic principles in this book can help anybody get into better shape, whether they're on drugs or not. Draper quit doing drugs decades ago but still trained the same way and looked great into his 60's. I don't think the book is detailed enough to be a stand-alone guide for beginners though, but it is great for inspiration and some basic information.
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