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While much of the negative commentary concerned Levi Strauss's move away from domestic manufacturing has focused on the button-fly 501s, the bigger problem I have seen is with the old 1970's standby, the 505, which has a zipper as opposed to button fly. The variability on sizing and sew quality with the 505s is an issue if you are going to buy them online or mail order. You really have to try them on to see how they fit. The 501 are much easier to buy online or by mail order because the sizing is much less critical on the waist, which is the so-called "anti-fit" waist, meaning there is no curve to the rise (the distance between the crotch and the top of the waist), because the original 501s were merely cut down bib overalls which were made to hang, rather than be fitted to the waist. The biggest problem I have noted on the 505's is the variability in size in the thigh area, meaning that some fit baggy and some seem rather tight, even though they are theoretically the same size of a label. Since the 501s are more forgiving as far as sizing, if you are buying online you might consider them instead of 505s, unless you don't want the button fly.
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Initial post: Nov 9, 2009 11:28:36 AM PST
P F G says:
I have noticed the variations also.Thank you for the explanation
Posted on Dec 7, 2009 9:03:01 AM PST
Josh L says:
The manufacturing country is something to watch out for. I have a year-old pair of 505s that were made in Lesotho. They have a 34 waist and they fit me perfectly. Recently I bought the "same" pair of 34 waist 505s, only this time they were made in Mexico, and they are much too tight in the thighs/waist.
Posted on Feb 8, 2010 3:39:26 PM PST
Michael Schuyler says:
Interesting. I couldn't understand why I could more easily fit into a pair with 34" waist than I can a [air with a 35" waist. I thought I was getting fat, but maybe not! It's all levi's fault!
Posted on Sep 28, 2010 12:37:13 PM PDT
Christopher Rollyson says:
Outstanding information, really appreciate it. Yours is a gold standard review! Thank you.
In reply to an earlier post on Nov 23, 2010 12:58:11 PM PST
I purchased 4 pair of Levi jeans. Only one fit perfectly. The others (all the same size) were too tight in the legs...Too tight at the belt...Or just did not fit correctly.What a shame for a company that used to be known known for providing great fitting jeans. Yes, I remember when they were made in California.
Posted on Apr 18, 2011 11:17:09 AM PDT
Fred Greene says:
yeah! My thoughts exactly, thanks. For me the 32 waist made in Mexico has always fit much better then other manufacturing. It's crazy to be running through stacks in the store and finding the right size, then checking where it's made. Also, since low cut pants have become so popular, some of the 505s are sitting lower on the waist than they used to. Hey, once you pass 40 (age not waistline) you physically change and pants fit better with the higher rise.
In reply to an earlier post on Oct 25, 2011 10:17:12 PM PDT
In reply to an earlier post on Nov 17, 2011 12:28:45 PM PST
Amazon Customer says:
Shut your "rocking" pie hole!
Posted on Dec 9, 2011 8:29:47 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 9, 2011 8:31:29 PM PST
Drew Shand says:
FWIW, I measured two pairs of Levis 505s, one pair that fit like they always have and one that sits too low on the waist. Nominal size is 36x32. The pair that fits as expected has a 43" outside seam and a 31-1/4" inseam (after several washes). The pair that keeps falling down has a 42" outside seam and a 30-1/4" inseam. Come on Levis, that's not how you earned our trust. BTW, the zippers and the crotch to waist measurement are the same on both pairs.
In reply to an earlier post on Mar 15, 2012 10:17:29 AM PDT
My "Hecho en Mexico" 505's are flattering and bracingly snug, not tight, great pair of jeans, and they date back decades. The variation in cut and size for the same, i.e., "same," jean for those who love them challenges the Levi's lover buyer.