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5.0 out of 5 stars Well plotted and paced; excellent, fresh fantasy tale, May 9, 2001
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This review is from: A Game of Thrones (A Song of Ice and Fire, Book 1) (Mass Market Paperback)
First off, I'm a heavy duty fan of GRRM. I've read over a 100 different fantasy authors in my time (started at 12; I'm now 32). Took about 5 years off from the genre b/c I felt it was all getting too formulaic and cliched.
So, when I came back to fantasy at the end of 1999, I read the usual: Goodkind, Jordan, etc. and then someone told me about GRRM and man, that was the kicker!
Here are the reasons to choose GRRM. I've also listed the reasons not to choose him to make it fair b/c I know their are certain personalities who won't like this series:
(1) YOU ARE TIRED OF FORMULAIC FANTASY: good lad beats the dark lord against impossible odds; boy is the epitome of good; he and all his friends never die even though they go through great dangers . . . the good and noble king; the beautiful princess who falls in love with the commoner boy even though their stations are drastically different . . . you get the idea. After reading this over and over, it gets old.
(2) YOU ARE TIRED OF ALL THE HEROES STAYING ALIVE EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE UNDER CONSTANT DANGER: this gets even worse where the author kills a main hero off but that person comes back later in the story. Or, a hero does die but magic brings him back.
This sometimes carries to minor characters where even they may not die, but most fantasy authors like to kill them off to show that some risked the adventure and perished.
(4) YOU LOVE SERIOUS INTRIGUE WITHOUT STUPID OPPONENTS: lots of layering; lots of intrigue; lots of clever players in the game of thrones. Unlike other fantasy novels, one side, usually the villain, is stupid or not too bright.
(5) YOU ARE INTERESTED IN BIASED OPINIONS AND DIFFERENT TRUTHS: GRRM has set this up where each chapter has the title of one character and the whole chapter is through their viewpoint. Interesting tidbit is that you get their perception of events or truths. But, if you pay attention, someone else will mention a different angle of truth in the story that we rarely see in other novels. Lastly and most importantly, GRRM doesn't try to tell us which person is right in their perception. He purposelly leaves it vague so that we are kept guessing.
(6) LEGENDS: some of the most interesting characters are those who are long gone or dead. We never get the entire story but only bits and pieces; something that other fantasy authors could learn from to heighten suspense. Additionally, b/c the points of views are not congruent, we sometimes get different opinions.
(7) WORDPLAY: if you're big on metaphors and description, GRRM is your guy. Almost flawless flow.
(8) LOTS OF CONFLICT: all types, too; not just fighting but between characters through threats and intrigue.
(9) MULTILAYERED PLOTTING; SUB PLOTS GALORE: each character has their own separate storyline; especially as the story continues and everyone gets scattered. This is one of the reasons why each novel is between 700-900 pages.
(10) SUPERLATIVE VARIED CHARACTERS: not the typical archetypes that we are used to in most fantasy; some are gritty; few are totally evil or good; GRRM does a great job of changing our opinions of characters as the series progress. This is especially true of Jaime in book three.
(11) REALISTIC MEDIEVAL DIALOGUE: not to the point that we can't understand it but well done.
(12) HEAPS OF SYMOBLISM AND PROPHECY: if you're big on that.
(13) EXCELLENT MYSTERIES: very hard to figure out the culprits; GRRM must have read a lot of mystery novels.
(14) RICHLY TEXTURED FEMALE CHARACTERS: best male author on female characters I have read; realistic on how women think, too.
(15) LOW MAGIC WORLD: magic is low key; not over the top so heroes can't get out of jams with it.
(1) YOU LIKE YOUR MAIN CHARACTERS: GRRM does a good job of creating more likeable characters after a few die. But, if that isn't your style, you shouldn't be reading it. He kills off several, not just one, so be warned.
(2) DO NOT CARE FOR GRITTY GRAY CHARACTERS: if you like more white and gray characters, this may unsettle you. I suggest Feist or Goodkind or Dragonlance if you want a more straight forward story with strong archetypes.
(3) MULTIPLE POINTS OF VIEWS TURN YOU OFF: if you prefer that the POVS only go to a few characters, this might be confusing for you.
(4) SWEARING, SEX: there's a lot of it in this book just as there is in real life.
(5) YOU DEMAND CLOSURE AT THE END OF EVERY BOOK: this isn't the case for all stories in the series. Some are still going on; some have been resolved; others have been created and are moving on.
(6) IF YOU WANT A TARGET OR SOMEONE TO BLAME: this can be done to some extent but not as much. This is b/c he doesn't try to make anyone necessarily good or evil.
(7) ARCHETYPES: some readers like archetypal characters because it's comfortable; we like the good young hero (sort of like Pug in Feist's THE RIFTWAR SAGA); it's familiar and we sometimes like to pretend we're this upcoming, great hero. You wont' get much of this in GRRM with the exception of one or two characters.
(8) LENGTH: you don't want to get into a long fantasy epic series. In that case, look for shorters works as this is biiig.
(9) PATRIARCHY: men are most of the main characters with lots of power (one female exception). ....
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Initial post: Oct 24, 2006 12:08:34 PM PDT
This is the best summerization of GRRM's "A Song Of Ice and Fire" series that I've ever read. Excellent review and very, very accurate.

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In reply to an earlier post on Nov 14, 2006 7:07:43 PM PST
Hey, delete your review Read aloud Dad. That's totally wrong to give that away.

Posted on Dec 15, 2006 6:30:02 PM PST
While I agree on nearly all your points, I'm going to have to strongly disagree with you on Pro #14.

I'd like to see a woman agree with you on that, because I found the weakest point in the entire novel to be GRRM's portrayal of women in the novel. Put up a list of stereotypical roles for a woman character (mother, slut, tomboy, princess, temptress, etc. etc.) and there is a character in the novel that fits that trait, and just that trait alone.

There are two exceptions, but even they fall into the "empowered woman" category, but they are more realistically portrayed than let's say Lysa or Cersei.

Posted on Jan 17, 2007 4:59:34 PM PST
Samantha says:
I didn't mind his portrayal of women, really. I think that to portray too many women with a lot of clout and charisma, while empowering, would be unfaithful to the medieval world he has constructed. Not a fair world, certainly, but realistic to the setting. Some scifi and fantasy authors REALLY make women into flat characters: subservient, helpless damsels; bitchwitches; glorified she-goddesses of perfection...patronizing, ugh.

I appreciate GRRM's fearlessness. He's not afraid to kill the good guys, to let chance ruin well-made plans, or to let women be politically incorrect; he respects them enough to let them be bad. I think, especially with the last few books, he has really given every character a chance to become sympathetic and multi-faceted. Even characters like Lysa and Cersei have at least gained understandable, if twisted, motives. [Not Gregor though, screw THAT guy! >:)] I also think the last few books have challenged #9 on the Con list.

As for the 'good' females, like Arya, Brienne, and Catelyn, I can see how they might come off stereotyped at first, but they really prove to be much more than stereotype tomboys and mothers. If they seem constrained, it's because they ARE. The universe in A Game of Thrones allows few outlets for feminine freedom and expression, and thus the women of that world must seek power and influence through the limited methods available to them (often by manipulation of their roles as mothers, relatives, objects of desire, etc.) It seems the same can be said of men born with some restriction on their freedom (Tyrion due to his appearance, Bron due to his class/poverty, Jon due to his birth): they too are forced into 'stereotypical' roles and must take what opportunities they can by whatever means available.

In summary, I don't think GRRM is skimping on the female characters, just playing by the rules set up in the ASoIaF world.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 21, 2007 7:53:32 PM PST
That part came from three or four women who told me they felt the female characters were strong compared to the usual fantasy female characters.

Posted on Jan 25, 2007 6:04:26 PM PST
Miss V. says:
Very good review, straightforward and helpful. I'm eager for my copy to arrive.

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A. Simon says:
Hey, Read aloud Dad, why would you give so much of the story away. I'm only 100 pages in. Thanks for crapping all over my reading experience. Douche Bag.
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