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3.0 out of 5 stars decide for yourself, January 23, 2014
This review is from: The Pope and Mussolini: The Secret History of Pius XI and the Rise of Fascism in Europe (Hardcover)
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There is no or little concrete evidence making direction collaborative connections between Pius XI and his successor, Pius XII, on the one hand and dictators Adolf Hitler and Benito Mussolini on the other . . . so books in this vein, of which there have been quite a few, tend to be interesting, as well as scintillating, but not always entirely convincing, because the arguments require some stretches of interpretation in order to connect the dots. Such is the case here with THE POPE AND MUSSOLINI by David Kertzner. Kertzner has done an impressive amount of research (the notes and bibliography take up nearly 100 pages) and presents a massive amount of facts that certainly portray Pius XI and the Vatican in a negative light, suggesting some level of complicity, or at least fellow-traveling, with Mussolini’s fascists. But do the facts add up to “a harrowing portrait of a ghastly union whose only by-product was the nightmare of World War II,” as one blurber contends? Decidedly not. Read Kertzner’s book for the facts, but interpret them for yourself.
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Initial post: Feb 25, 2014 8:21:06 AM PST
R. Bono says:
What are you talking about? Did you read the book? "Pacelli", as secretary of state, was, day after day, in charge of, and approved of every single media pronouncement of the Roman church. That was his job. What Kertzner amply demonstrates is that "Pacelli" was even MORE accommodating to Mussolini than Pius XI. "Pacelli" was Mussolini's choice to succeed Pius XI. He will never become a saint. Never.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 3, 2014 6:22:42 PM PDT
A reader says:
Don't count on Pius XII never becoming a saint. The people who "make saints" are among the most conservative (and therefore almost automatically anti-semitic) elements in the RCC, the people who (although they wouldn't say it out loud today) think the Holocaust was God's will, punishment of the Jews for their refusal to become Christians. They find nothing at all wrong with the actions and non-actions of Pius XII Pacelli. He's their idea of a saint.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 4, 2014 11:43:47 AM PDT
R. Bono says:
I know traditionalists who will double down on the true history of the RCC, not only of WW II, but of Christian history as a whole. This history has broad historic currents of violence, not only to Jews and Muslims, but also to fellow Christians. At best, such people are willfully delusional.

In fact, if you are interested in the subject of the origins Christian violence see the DVD "Constantine's Sword", by James Carroll.

I agree that Pius XII will never become a saint. Good.
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