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Not really a true Clancy novel...,
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The last few Clancy novels haven't been quite the same as his early ones. With this one, it is very evident that the only thing that this shares with his early novels is the name. Mr. Greaney has done a decent job with the last one (Locked On) but this one has a couple of errors that are hard to ignore for die hard Clancy fans. First, it's mentioned that Jack Ryan Jr. is the eldest child of Jack Sr. If that's the case, what happened to Sally? Also, Ding's son, Clark's grandson, was given the name John Conor Chavez in the Rainbow Six novel. In Threat Vector he's referred to as John Patrick Chavez. We should all know that Seniors middle name is Patrick (Sir John Patrick Ryan). Those simple yet huge mistakes should never have made it into the novel. It's one thing if the inconsistencies were with non-regular characters but everyone knows that Ding and now Junior are major characters in the Ryanverse.
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Initial post: Dec 11, 2012 5:41:26 PM PST
Just to clarify, it's still pretty good...just not like the early ones.
Posted on Dec 19, 2012 9:21:58 PM PST
Ladislav Nemec says:
It seems to me that real Clancy expired when the cold war was over. His narco and terror stories cannot compete. Fortunately, I am not vested in anything Clancy. Next book by another author.
In reply to an earlier post on Dec 20, 2012 4:00:43 PM PST
William Kendall says:
I'm nearly done, and disappointed. There hasn't been a good Clancy novel since Bear and the Dragon. And I've noticed a few other glitches here and there, including the ones you've mentioned.
Posted on Dec 26, 2012 6:50:55 AM PST
don gubelman says:
Why do we watch a movie or read a book....?....to be entertained . if you believe that making a mistake on someones order of birth or incorrect middle name takes away from the storyline then you are reading for the wrong reasons. this book is entertaining and keeps you in suspense. my only complaint is the ending seamed as though it was rushed to reach a conclusion...another 50 pages could have been added easily. with the double spacing and pulled in margins it is not really a 900 page book anyway.
Posted on Jan 3, 2013 2:29:38 PM PST
That's minor, Jack Jr. is Ryan's oldest son. Like you said, to die-hard Clancey fans the foul ups ruin it. We miss the old master.
Blackwood really fouled it up in Dead or Alive. He had the Carusos' grandfather as Jack, Jr's maternal grandfather. But Cathy is an only child, while Jack Sr. has a sister. The Caruso's maternal grandfather is Jack Sr's father. Then there was the messed up trailing of the courier out of Toronto. 5 assets and Clark only buys one ticket to Chicago? Jack Jr. could have followed the guy at O'Hare while John went to the ticket counter to buy two more tickets. There's more... Like diagram of the Swedish embassy in Tripoli not matching the narrative. Actually, that whole episode was just filler. If Clark had trained their successors in Rainbow, there would have been no need for their leaving England to be interrupted. Unprofessional.
In reply to an earlier post on Jan 5, 2013 8:45:05 PM PST
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Warbook fan says:
I also recall that they mixed up the roles of the German and Frenchman on the Rainbow team in the prior book. In Rainbow Six, the German was the sniper, but that was the French guy in the Libya operation.
The place I really saw the ghostwriter's hand in Threat Vector was during the Cabinet meetings. In previous President Ryan books, they talked like normal people at work, with a degree of natural ease, and if an explanation was needed of a country's situation or a statesman's backstory, they'd describe it using vernacular, and verbal shorthand, with the narration filling in the gaps for readers. That way, it read like the characters each knew what the other was talking about. Also, they chatted like guys who worked together a lot or for a long time. There was a sense of familiarity.
In Threat Vector, Scott Adler gives rudimentary briefings to Ryan that any President with more than one term under his belt should be ashamed to need, and which sound more like exposition for the readers' benefit, as if they had been cut and pasted from a current events encyclopedia.
Also, when Mary Pat Foley discussed the CIA leaks, there was a curious disconnect from when the field agents dealt with the same issues, and we were shorted out on details or developments, making the whole like seem like a plot device instead of a storyline.
In a similar vein, the (main) blackmail story was implausible and ridiculous, and felt like something meant solely to force certain threats and crises on the effected characters. The victim's reaction utterly destroyed my respect and investment in the character, and did not even fit with what I recalled of previous characterization in a prior book. A third grader should have called BS on the blackmailer's threats, and I have not felt the level of contempt for a Clancy character as I did for the blackmail victim since the more heavy-handed villains like Ed Kealty or Elizabeth Elliot.
In reply to an earlier post on Jan 8, 2013 10:36:37 AM PST
I agree with you on the blackmail. It's implausible. I also don't get how she's angry for Jack Jr. withholding information on times when he disappears. That in no way, shape, or form compares with the breach of trust she committed against Jack Jr. You'd think an intel analyst would know what need to know is, and how she does not need to know. I am glad they shipped her off instead of them reconciling, because what she did was unforgivable. But who am I kidding. I'm sure she'll be back.
Posted on Jan 16, 2013 6:50:34 PM PST
Ken C. says:
Why rush to write a review when you are only half way through the novel? Perhaps it gets better, or worse. you do no one a service with a review of a half-read novel, sorry to say. Your "corrections" seem awfully minor to me.
Posted on Jan 27, 2013 12:11:07 AM PST
I have to agree. I feel like this isn't really a Tom Clancy novel. It's my own fault, but I won't fall for this again. It's like going to a movie because the name on the marquee is that of a favorite actor and then after the show has started discovering that the part of that actor is being played by some unknown understudy. Sometimes, I suppose, this bit of having another writer carry on with a celebrated writer's characters and style works. But for me, in this instance, there was just something missing: I think it was Tom Clancy.
Posted on Feb 24, 2013 4:02:26 PM PST
James Paskell says:
I agree, perhaps his editor didn't read Clancy's previous books or Putnam got it wrong.