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NOT SWISS MADE ANYMORE !,
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This review is from: Invicta Men's 4338 Russian Diver Collection Black Watch (Watch)
Dont get me wrong I like this watch and its got a massive 52 mm case. My only problem is that its not swiss made like the watch in the picture , insted it says swiss movt. which means the movt is swiss but it was made in China and not subjected to the superior quality control standards of the Swiss. So anyways I checked the model numbers just to make sure It was the same watch and it was but I suspect the watch in the picture is a older version but since then Invicta has cheaped out and started making them in China to save money , but the retail asking price is the same $ 575.00 which seems kind of shady to me.
Since my original review amazon has corrected and updated their pictures to say " swiss movt " insted.
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Initial post: Nov 20, 2009 12:17:45 AM PST
Thankyou, very much for the timely feedback. I was able to cancel the order before it got shipped. The "Swiss Made" was one of the reasons i decided to give this watch a try. If it is "Swiss Movt" this certainly is from china.
Posted on Nov 22, 2009 10:54:21 AM PST
J. Deckman says:
Did they send the wrong watch to you? I have the 4342 (exact same watch, different color), and it says "swiss made."
Posted on Dec 14, 2009 7:27:34 AM PST
Robert N. Marion says:
Invicta is saving money so that they can offer the same quality without raising prices. The movement is swiss, a high quality engine, which determines accuracy and durability. The overall quality is outstanding, and has not suffered one bit under the watchful eye of Invicta quality control. The value and price combo is unbeatable. At the present time you can get it for under $100- that's a steal!
In reply to an earlier post on Dec 19, 2009 3:52:19 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 19, 2009 4:11:14 PM PST
Terence Hines says:
I doubt you will find many people in the watch industry who really believe that inexpensive watches assembled outside Switzerland offer the "same quality" as genuine Swiss made watches. I would like to see some evidence in support of this puffery. Moreover, a Swiss watch movement meeting Swiss standards is supposed to bear the designation "Swiss movement," not "Swiss movt," and even then can have as little as 50 percent Swiss content. This Invicta model is being sold all over the Internet with pictures and copy claiming that the watch is Swiss made. That is misrepresentation plain and simple. The watch looks like a great value for the price, but people have a right to know what they are buying.
In reply to an earlier post on Dec 22, 2009 9:10:11 AM PST
I was about to purchase this watch as it states on the dial that it is swiss. I'm thankful for the truthful review because I will not buy a chinese Invicta. Shame on Amazon for false representation.
In reply to an earlier post on Jan 1, 2010 9:21:26 AM PST
Johnny Trigger says:
You guys are being extremely unfair. People who research products or take the time to understand what they are buying would never expect this to be a 100% Swiss made watch. I have several watches that just the tuning/testing every 5 or so yrs cost several times what this watch costs new. That is the kind of watch you expect to be made entirely where it is said to be made. I collect Breitling watches but was looking for a sturdy cheap watch for work reasons. I read nothing whatsoever in that article or anywhere about Invictas that lead me to believe I was getting a Swiss made watch. All of my watches are automatics which is what I prefer so that is the only thing I am uneasy about with this watch. I have not owned a Quartz watch.
I am not defending the Chinese but if the Chinese made parts are substandard that is Invictas fault. Having been to China many times it is obvious that the Chinese are magicians at building to western design specs. Inferior Chinese products that you can buy for 3 bucks at walmart are products made to Chinese design specs. Some of the most high tech products like car parts, ocean going ships etc when built to the specs of the manufacturer are amazing. If Invicta does their job right the cases, leather etc could be of incredible quality for much less.
My watches all have certain words on them that I see variations of on cheap Seikos and Bulova watches. "Chronographe Certifie Chronometre" means that the watch has been certified. To my knowledge Breitling as of 2000 is THE ONLY company to have its entire line certified by Contrôle Officiel Suisse des Chronomètres. THOSE watches that say Chronometer and haven't each gone through extrensive testing to ensure they are consistent are the ones being a bit cheesy. You should read about the process it is what got me in to collecting fine watches. The certification process is simply amazing. Then again a 20K watch (non heirloom/historical/rare) better be accurate.
MY point is until you are buying a watch certified by that organization to worry about the Swiss designation is silly. Swiss companies make watches no better than the bottom tier Timex watches all the way up to 60K watches. You guys are claiming Amazon and Invicta are lying or falsely advertising a product and they aren't. You not understanding the world of fine time pieces and making accusations doesn't hold water gents.
I am not trying to be ugly here but I do thrive on fairness and you guys are not being fair to these two companies or this watch. And not being fair to those who have bought the watch and enjoy them. Imagine buying a watch then some guys who have no idea what they are talking about start bashing the watch and acting like they know what they are talking about.
Its a Swiss movement which in reality means NOTHING Swiss make some really crappy watches. Its made in China? Ok well if the design specs were right a Chinese case etc can be an extremely good product.
It would be really cool if people would retract their criticism but they rarely do they will argue. But for the sake of fairness how about you guys knock off the claims of these companies doing the wrong thing?
BTW I have nothing to do with either company.... I doubt they have anyone that does the work I do. 1 last thing. My beautiful wife used to be a watch maker. I met her as we were going through college. Her family made/repaired watches. You know those 1K watches that you buy at Nordstrom or other places those fancy named watches? Escpecially the ones made by clothing designers? Those are all mostly plastic in side. most if not all of the say Swiss movement. Good watches for daily use are IWC, Breitling, Seiko automatics (cheap). Rolex but not the gaudy ones. And my all time favorites Panerai, Bell and Ross, Blancpain, Oris TT1
In reply to an earlier post on Jan 1, 2010 1:00:07 PM PST
dirty douglass says:
Wow, all of those words and you still managed to miss the point. When you buy a watch based on a picture that says '' swiss made " on the dial you would expect to get a swiss made watch its as simple as that. But since my original post amazon has corrected and updated the watch in picture to say '' swiss movt '' insted.
In reply to an earlier post on Jan 1, 2010 4:25:09 PM PST
Johnny Trigger says:
WOW all the complaining and you are still wrong and still haven't gone out and researched what has to occur for them to be able to legally say Swiss made. It is Swiss made. Anyone expecting a WELL made Swiss watch at this price point is a fool. Even the before discount price they are cheap watches. It stops working you toss it or through it in a drawer some place and move one. Invicta is based in fLorida and 30 seconds of research would have shown you that they label the watches LEGALLY per the country where the movement was made. LOT's of companies do it and some of them charge you an arm and a leg for it. Its a fashion watch not a REAL dive watch. Its a cheap watch regardless of how much you paid. Yet here you are stomping your feet harming their business because YOU didn't bother looking in to something BEFORE you bought it.
At least one person canceled their order because you are WRONG. It is a Swiss made watch and they can legally say that. The outside, the straps and doodads are the casing and decorative touches. They don't have to be Swiss made. YOU started a rumor based on ignorance and they lose a client. What if someone started a rumor based on ignrance about you and made it hard for you to be hired? Same thing.
People who buy stuff THEN look in to it drive me nuts. Stupid process to follow.
Even Hanjin the great shipping company has their ships made by the Dutch and the Dutch make good ships but you can bet there are Koreans running around supervising them and building to their standards. That is pretty much how stuff is built now a days. Japanese build superior cars supposedly yet most Japanese cars are built here in US by some redneck with a GED or high school education if that. Do you here people complaining because their superior Japanese cars were made here instead of Japan? No because people research at least a little and know the issue. You bought, have a eureka moment and THEN researched and are STILL wrong.
One last time... The movement is Swiss. It is legally a Swiss watch and being a Swiss watch ultimately doesn't mean a damn thing unless its certified. No one buying a 700 Swiss watch should think they are getting a time piece of exacting standards if they are they are just stupid. Standards and certifications cost money. They have to change what it says because dumb people THINK they know what they are talking about and force them. they should change it back to what it legally is a Swiss watch... Albeit a cheap one. Does it keep good time? Yes? then you are really screwing them. Is it always wrong? Well they need to fix that.
In short they can legally say this is Swiss made.
In reply to an earlier post on Jan 9, 2010 5:15:35 PM PST
dirty douglass says:
Blah blah blah . You still dont get it . The watch is cheap and no one ever said they were expecting a fine swiss timepiece for $99.00 but thats besides the point. The point is THE ITEM WASNT AS PICTURED period. How hard is that for you to understand ? Futher more Ive bought invictas that have said swiss made before and guess what they all came with a certificate of inspection with a extensive checklist and a hand written signature of the person that inspected it. This one did not. So go ahead and fill another page full of words and explain to me what you dont understand about the item wasnt as pictured. You sir are the ignorant one. And what you consider a rumor is actually a fact. So if it makes you feel better go ahead and do some more research just so you can see how wrong you are.
In reply to an earlier post on Jan 9, 2010 7:19:37 PM PST
Simmons, amen brother. Trigger doesn't get it because he is wallowing in arrogance. I am not opposed to buying a chinese made watch if I know that is what I am buying. I have purchased an Invicta with "swiss movt" printed on the dial being aware that it was not swiss made and likely made in China. Some can appreciate a watch for what it is, while few appreciate being duped into buying something other than what is advertised. I've noticed that amazon has changed the image of the watch since this discussion began.