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This review is from: Fantasia / Fantasia 2000 (Four-Disc Blu-ray/DVD Combo) (Blu-ray)
After originally looking at this item and its reviews, I was worried that I wouldn't get the version I'd grown up with (I'm 26) - people were complaining about censorship and edits (one review said the movie was only 90 minutes long). I checked the VHS I own - it's 120 minutes. So, of course, I was concerned.
However, after looking into it, this seems to be one of the most complete copies that exists. I looked for images of the back of the actual box - the running times are listed as 125 minutes for Fantasia, and 75 minutes for Fantasia 2000. Both of these times are LONGER than their respective VHS times. The original roadshow release of Fantasia was 125 minutes long, so it sounds as if everything has been restored.
This leaves the censorship. The "censored" scenes haven't been in the releases of the film since 1969, so I'd never even seen them. After viewing the "uncut" version on YouTube, I have to say that this is VERY minor, and I don't miss it at all. The character of Sunflower (besides being very racist) is very jarring amongst the rest of the sequence. She simply doesn't fit in, which was probably the original racist intention, but it disrupts the rest of the art. Besides, in total, the cuts number a few seconds in length, and have no impact on the storyline. I don't think it's that important - especially since OTHER black centaurs exist in the film. (They accompany Bacchus/Dionysus into frame - they are the "zebra" centaurs, and in my opinion are some of the prettiest.)
Finally (and look down on this if you like), I read the release history of the film on Wikipedia. The history confirms that this is likely the most complete release available (it mentions no differences between this release and the 60th anniversary edition). We are also lucky that Disney was able to restore as much as it has, since there have been numerous problems with the film or its audio degrading. The only other thing that hasn't been restored is the original Deems Taylor audio - the full audio track of the live action scenes (shortened in early edits) has been unusable for decades, so Disney had a voice actor redub it. Perhaps in the future, new techniques will make restoration possible; but for now, be happy that the video has been restored.
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Initial post: Dec 4, 2010 3:17:06 PM PST
Taran Wanderer says:
I guess whether the character of Sunflower is racist or not depends on how we interpret it; is she meant to represent and stereotypically depict the entire black race, or is she just a funny-looking character who just happens to be black? After all, like you said, there were other black centaurs in the sequence that were not given negative stereotypical features.
Posted on Dec 9, 2010 12:45:24 PM PST
What is a centaur?
In reply to an earlier post on Dec 10, 2010 8:02:34 PM PST
A creature from Greek mythology that is half man, half horse.
In reply to an earlier post on Jan 2, 2011 12:16:53 AM PST
No recovery of Deems Taylors' voice? Rats! That's one of the two or three things I was hoping for in this 2010 cut.
In reply to an earlier post on Jan 2, 2011 9:07:04 PM PST
That's what I've read. I have watched it since, and the audio doesn't seem to match what I remember of the VHS (which had the edited version of Deems Taylor, I believe).
In reply to an earlier post on Jan 2, 2011 10:12:21 PM PST
By it, you mean the 2010 cut, of course; right?
When you say (regarding the VHS copy you mentioned) "edited version of Deems Taylor", do you indeed actually mean Deems Taylors' voice, only a short version of it? Or by "edited version of Deems Taylor" do you mean the whole of the Deems Taylor bits as dubbed by the dubbing actor Corey Burton?
In reply to an earlier post on Jan 2, 2011 10:45:48 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Jan 2, 2011 10:46:33 PM PST
Yes, I'm referring to the 2010 version, and I meant a shorter version of Taylor's original audio. However, after referring to Wikipedia again and re-reading the release years relevant to my VHS (the exact date is not given on it, though Wikipedia states that a VHS version was released in 1991), it is possible that the live action audio for it was provided by a voice actor named Hugh Douglas, which would still account for the difference I heard in the 2010 version. Wikipedia is not clear on whether the edited version of Deems' track was restored for the 1990 theatrical release or not.
As far as I am able to tell, the 2010 version's audio is the dub by Corey Burton, since the complete original Deems Taylor material is beyond restoration.
Posted on Jan 2, 2011 10:50:25 PM PST
Wikipedia may have been updated since my post. It now states that the 2010 release "restores to the film additional live action footage and dialogue from the original 1940 road show version that was not included in the 2000 video release. The 2010 release still maintains the censorship edits to the Pastoral Symphony sequence." It is the most complete version available.
In reply to an earlier post on Jan 2, 2011 10:59:57 PM PST
You say that there is no exact date displayed on your VHS copy but does it at least cite a year, like say beside that copyright symbol (lower case letter "c" with in a circle)?
And as far as the difference between Deems Taylors' actual voice and the voice dubbing track done by Corey Burton; just to briefly describe the sounds of both...Deems Taylors' actual voice is a fairly deep, some what low, smooth and relaxed sounding one. The voice that Corey Burton did for Deems is this embarrassing, stereotypical kids' idea of what a '1940s fellow' would sound like in the movies; squawky, nasal and considerably thin.
Posted on Jan 7, 2011 4:01:48 AM PST
Linda X. Mitchell says: