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5.0 out of 5 stars Couldn't Put it Down!, March 27, 2000
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This review is from: Patriots: Surviving the Coming Collapse (Paperback)
Excellent work by Mr. Rawles. In it he explores the possibilities and what ifs of a total collapse of the civilized world that we have come to know and upon which we depend. Imagine, if you will, that the economy spins out of control and takes civilized society with it. Imagine this event making the Great Depression look like a walk in the park. How would one survive or thrive during such a chaotic experience? Can it be done alone? What are the real problems and issues that might need to be overcome? Mr. Rawles novel explores those possibilites. His information is well presented. Obviously a lot of thought and research went into this novel. It reads more like a contingency plan and less like some escapist fantasy. It beats any sci-fi novel hands down. I strongly recommend "Patriots" to anyone who's ever wondered what would happen should the day come when they dialed 911 and nobody answered.(Remember Hurricane Andrew and the LA Riots?) Read "Patriots" and find out. It is definitely time well spent. However, let me offer a word of warning. Pick up "Patriots" and you won't want to put it down until its finished!
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Initial post: Jun 30, 2009 6:03:57 AM PDT
Mark says:
This book has an interesting history-at one point, out of print/unavailable-offered online for as much as $100. Now, you can purchase it at Barnes and Noble for less than $20; so I got to read it-just a few quick comments w/o the formal review.

And my apologies to Rawles upfront-these comments will not deter true believer types from purchase-just some info for the reality based crowd.

Wow-what can I say about this book-in a nutshell: subversive, reactionist, fundamentalist, end of the world, fearmongering tripe. The writing-dry, plodding, dense, encyclopedic, lack of character development. The book is really just a framework to convey Rawles views, namely: stock up on supplies, weapons, and ammunition, find fundamentalist types and form a militia, and don't pay taxes.

The saddest part of the whole affair is Rawles should know better-I don't begrudge a man making a living but a former officer (MI CPT) advocating this-disguised as an end of the world novel; I think he got out before the GWOT-a few OIF/OEF deployments may have grounded him in reality.

So, if like me, you are curious-or are interested in the information-don't say you haven't been warned.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 12, 2009 2:22:56 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jul 12, 2009 2:59:22 PM PDT
NewsView says:
Mark, you should post a review as a review, not a comment.

Now for my comment: Of course, nobody wants to believe any of this is feasible! Yet to believe that none of it is worth considering just because the topic is frightening to contemplate says more about the mindset of the reader than the potential for catastrophic events. Archeologists the world over have uncovered evidence of life-altering volcanic activity, floods, tsunamis. Life happens. We may be insulated in our concrete jungles behind our high technology fed by our ever-present electric grid, but just a month or so back we find out that the Chinese, among others, have the ability to shut down our electric grid thanks to hacking. Hello!!! And then Nasa, not exactly your traditional alarmist, reactionary, apocalyptic organization, publishes a report on how a solar storm in the 1800s played havoc on the worldwide network of telegraph systems. What would a single coronal mass ejection or significant solar storm do, by contrast, to our sensitive satellites, gps, electronically-controlled sanitation and car ignition systems, digital-only voting machines, computer-controlled gas pumps, our electric grid? We are even more vulnerable to nature than we ever were before because we are more dependent on technology than ever before. This isn't science fiction, it's historic fact. Ask a geologist what happened to those dinosaurs or an archeologist what happened to Pompeii! It's just a matter of time that we get smacked up side the head again, if not by man than by nature. Over five years after Hurricane Katrina they haven't finished restoring what was lost. What more will happen when the effects are on a larger scale or if disaster strikes at a time when our worldwide economy is too delicate to cope with the expenses involved in recovery?

Who would have believed, for that matter, that the former Soviet Union would have collapsed the way it did, with nuclear science facilities going unguarded. Back in the 1990s, Dateline was doing specials about the fact that these weapons, both biological and nuclear, were sitting around with broken down fences waiting for the right group of terrorist thieves or bribe of a Ph.D. scientist who hadn't had a good meal or a paycheck for months! Russia of today is largely overrun with gangsters, people shutting down the presses, killing journalists, activists and those who fight for justice of any kind, and a "prime minister" and former President Putin, whom we all know continues to pull the strings!

If you are still not convinced how fast and unpredictably change happens, go and check out the documentary that came out in theaters last year before most Americans really appreciated the economic crash and the massive bailouts that subsequently materialized, not to mention the corporate takeovers presently bordering on "socialism". Whoever thought we would see the day when American automakers are largely owned by the US government? In "IOUSA", David Walker, former Comptroller General of the US Accounting Office, warns that the US is on a crash course for insolvency. In my own way of describing it, a social breakdown preceded by a financial one not unlike that experienced by the former Soviet Union. So yes, we ought to be paying close attention to what has happened there because it is not entirely impossible here!

We may not be headed for total apocalypse, but the changes we face in the years to come are of the kind that few Americans have formerly pictured for their own country. Again, that was before the economic downturn and the gigantic bailouts, the knock-out punch in this continuing economic crisis to be delivered by the gigantic drawdowns of Social Security and Medicare, both going bankrupt at a time when more of the US population than ever in history will be entering the stage of life where they will depend on these dwindling benefits - compounded by the fact that most Americans are not savers and have inadequately prepared for their own retirements! The Heritage Foundation, the Brookings Institution, I could name organization after organization that signed on to the warning that IOUSA set forth. People on the right and the left came together for this "Fiscal Wake Up Tour" launched by David Walker little over two years go to wake up complacent, it-will-never-happen-to-us Americans: Our ship of state is sinking. And if we don't do something soon, no amount of bailing out will keep us from going under, which will only open doors to more terrorist attacks or even takeover by our creditors in China and the rest of the world, who have been propping us up for decades by buying our T-bills.

Does this mean we'll be thrust back into the stone ages? Not exactly. But we, if not our children, will certainly live to see some things we have never before imagined of OUR country. Where are the patriots who have the stomach to imagine the consequences of these real-world conditions now, while there is still time to fight for reform before we cross the impending economic tipping point?

As far as I'm concerned, this past year is proof enough that we're not living in the same free market economy we presumed the US represented to the world even two or three years ago. How much more will change? A lot more than some of us would like to believe, less so than the author of this work may predict. Either way, it doesn't hurt to be prepared. Being a "reactionary" or a "survivalist" or a "fundamentalist" won't look so foolish when the proverbial Noahs of the world have a boat in which to ride out the storm, and the rest of us are left clawing at the door.

We are each tempted to make claims against those who think too far out, too far ahead or seem overly "dark" in their predictions. But the reality is, it is we who are shortsighted and unrealistic, and it is our sense of stubborn disconnect that allows us to turn a blind eye to problems that will one day, sooner than we realize, bankrupt this country, if not enable us to be conquered outright. The history of the Romans, the Greeks, the numerous other conquests. No civilization remains a sure thing. Reactionary? Or human history?

Supposing we end up needing to be literate in how to survive a worst-case scenario, even if it is just a massive tornado, earthquake or hurricane on the order of Katrina? Such knowledge and preparedness, quite literally overnight, will go from seeming, reactionary, quirky or alarmist to a "lifesaver" to friends, neighbors, coworkers and naysayers who couldn't be bothered in the first place. But if the few who are prepared turn away the majority of us who jeered at them for their seemingly apocalyptic preparations, can we blame them for failing to extend a helping hand?

Think really hard about this. You can't prepare for everything, but that doesn't recuse you from preparing for anything whatsoever. Particularly if you have young children, it's not an extremist, nutty thing to do, but a wise, responsible "teachable moment". Each of us need to live by example, and to be reminded once in awhile that despite the conveniences of modern life, we are not invulnerable. If anything, our near total dependence on gadgets, high technology and easy access to modern medicine makes us more vulnerable than ever before. That's why it doesn't hurt to read books like this and to consider the questions, if not make some manner of preparation. We can't rule anything out, not even the unimaginable.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 8, 2009 11:05:33 PM PDT
Mark says:
Newsview,

I'm one of those strange guys who will purchase a book and actually read it cover to cover-even if I end up hating it halfway through.

Other than the extremely poor writing, lack of character development, etc...90% of Rawles solution to the "coming collapse" are found in religious fundamentalism and at the end of a gun barrel. This is not a survival book, with the exception of a few tips thrown in throughout the book.

I just want other readers to know what they are getting into before starting the book.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 27, 2009 12:23:00 PM PDT
LordDraqo says:
I would have to agree with this. As a Hurricane Katrina survivor, I have first-hand experience with the failure of federal agencies.

Posted on Dec 15, 2009 11:36:47 AM PST
D. Sigua says:
Readers of this review should be aware that this reviewer is probably an avid fan of the website of Mr. Rawles, and is probably not an impartial opion giver. That being said, the majority of those 5 star reviews are probably also submitted by his clan after he instructed them to give him high marks on Amazon.

Buyer Beware!

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 8, 2010 7:58:52 PM PST
SkuLLyG33K says:
It is so obvious you didn't read the book. - "The Group" was not founded as a "militia" but as a mutual support group of friends. - They did not become a "militia" until the one world government types and the U.N. became heavy handed, and stripped the Constitution to the bone. - But just keep your rosy glasses on, I'm sure it will all be OK.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 19, 2010 1:53:18 PM PST
Mark says:
"mutual support group of friends" who single-handedly save the constitution-I wonder who's wearing the rosy glasses.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 19, 2010 2:09:34 PM PST
SkuLLyG33K says:
Single handedly? (sic) - Maybe you should read the book....and brush up on your spelling and grammar.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 19, 2010 10:39:05 PM PST
Mark says:
Bob,

You need to calm down and develop a sense of humor-I've read the book-it sucks! That's my opinion.

Take comfort that many of the paranoid, black helicopter types love this book. I'm not one of them.

Now let me go find my mutual support group of friends.

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