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FEINT and MOST PERMISSIONS REMOVED ALERT! (and the reason WHY!!),
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This review is from: Fling! (App)**UPDATE** Please read the comment section of this review to see what the Co-Founder of Candycane Apps, Michael Bevin, had to say today to the Amazon customers when he posted comments to my review here, as well as other reviews, and just how untrustworthy this developer truly is. Read the comments he wrote and my responses to them, and you'll see why the lack of trust we had in this developer for any future sneaky add-ons was SPOT ON. For pretending to be a customer, and referring to himself in the third-person, and insulting the customers, he just lost another star. I'm trying to scrub off the last star, because it doesn't even deserve ONE at this point, but Amazon won't seem to let me.....
First, it needs to be said that this app was an INCREDIBLE offender on what it harbors as far as permissions and add-ons. It's a FUN app, but was ridiculous in the spyware department.
TODAY, and ONLY TODAY, do you see a "cleaner" version of this app on Amazon as the FAOTD. One only needs to take a quick look on Google Play for both the free and paid versions of this to see the UNBELIEVABLE number of permissions those versions have -- the "regular" versions (see below).
Today's description on Amazon includes things that NOW do NOT RESIDE IN THIS APP. The only add-on is the Amazon Licensing. The only permissions UPON DOWNLOAD TODAY are the internet sockets, phone state and ID, network state, and preventing the phone from going into sleep mode. AND THAT'S IT. I'm not too keen on the phone state and ID coupled with the internet, but LOOK at what was REMOVED for this Amazon version: Feint and a boatload of permissions (again, see below). That being said, I STILL FEEL IT DOESN'T NEED INTERNET AND PHONE STATE AND ID, hence, the low rating. I added ONE EXTRA STAR for the effort they made to take a lot of the junk out, but they'll get the other 3 stars back when ALL the junk is out.
WHY DO YOU THINK THAT HAPPENED? It's because of the folks who come here to alert others of what is truly inside an app, what the history of the app is, what other versions exist, and the developer's history, etc., etc. In short, it happened because of the reviewer folks who are on constant alert for YOU and who post their findings for YOU. Yes, the developer removed almost everything offensive to you today. They knew folks like TLev, jjceo, knightsurf, HTCEvo, etc., would WITHOUT A DOUBT be looking for these things and would review the app in its ENTIRETY, and not just rate how much fun the app might be. The "entirety" includes the permissions the app asks for, which in turn don't even ask YOU whether you want to share information those permission take from you if you agree to download.
Where in the entire country do you see a version of FLING, paid or free (and PAID is worse than FREE, with two additional permissions!) that doesn't include THIS, in ADDITION to FEINT?
* Network communication
full Internet access
Allows the app to create network sockets.
* Phone calls
read phone state and identity
Allows the app to access the phone features of the device. An app with this permission can determine the phone number and serial number of this phone, whether a call is active, the number that call is connected to and the like.
modify/delete USB storage contents modify/delete SD card contents
Allows the app to write to the USB storage. Allows the app to write to the SD card.
* System tools
prevent tablet from sleeping prevent phone from sleeping
Allows the app to prevent the tablet from going to sleep. Allows the app to prevent the phone from going to sleep.
* Your accounts
discover known accounts
Allows the app to get the list of accounts known by the tablet. Allows the app to get the list of accounts known by the phone.
* Network communication
view network state
Allows the app to view the state of all networks.
Market billing service
Allows the user to purchase items through Market from within this application
disable or modify status bar
Allows the app to disable the status bar or add and remove system icons.
The answer is: NOWHERE... except TODAY on Amazon.com. Do you honestly think this HIGHLY POPULAR AND SUCCESSFUL APP would have had its permissions almost entirely OBLITERATED for Amazon if it weren't for the folks who are often called "permissions police," and "paranoid,".... and, yeah, even "idiots, because they're trying to make a difference in the quality of the apps YOU download? No way. This developer knew fully well he might be headed for a train wreck in the reviews today, and took OUT those permissions to avoid that possibility.
And today you ALL win and reap the rewards of the efforts others have made to make this possible. I have seen a good number of developers change their permissions and inclusions in an app before promoting them on Amazon, and the only reason they have to do that is because they know they won't be able to withstand the scrutiny the apps get here by a decent handful of folks who actively look out for your safety.
Of course, DEFINITELY be on the lookout in the future for ANY updates to this app, especially checking your Files folder to see if Feint was slipped back in via the open socket permission it asks for. And if it DOES, and it's of the variety that keeps reinstalling the Feint files upon new launches and you can no longer delete those files without them resurfacing, then you can just delete the app.
It really just needs to be said: Your apps here on Amazon are getting BETTER as the word gets around among developers that unnecessary spyware will be exposed and often not tolerated if they want to upload them to this market. No one who put themselves out there to help this happen ever asked for a medal, an award, or even a "thank you," let alone demanded RESPECT. But SOME of you who take these things for granted might want to remember this app, others like it that were CHANGED for you, and note future apps that were IMPROVED for you, and remember WHY it happened. And maybe even ease up bit so that we can CONTINUE to provide the ratings that help you get these better versions of apps in the future! :)
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Initial post: Mar 30, 2012 2:55:22 PM PDT
Posted on Mar 30, 2012 5:48:27 PM PDT
Studio Su says:
Thank you, yet again.
Posted on Mar 30, 2012 6:26:44 PM PDT
G. Rascon says:
Posted on Mar 30, 2012 6:43:27 PM PDT
WOW. I'm speechless... (that certainly doesn't happen every day).
On behalf of EVERYONE here who posts tirelesslessly to make the apps better, we say "You're most welcome!!"
In reply to an earlier post on Mar 30, 2012 7:00:46 PM PDT
M. Turner says:
I always check to see what the "police" are saying before downloading. The permissions are often so bad that I end up rarely grabbing the freebie-of-the-day. Android really needs to get its act together because on this stuff. I like my tablet but have also made the leap to iPad because I just find there's so little I can trust on Android.
Posted on Mar 30, 2012 7:12:27 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Mar 30, 2012 7:14:06 PM PDT
Michael Bevin says:
Are you for real? This app in the Amazon AppStore never had OpenFeint in it. And the description says nothing about it. I don't know what you consider "spyware", but I don't seen any evidence of this app having any.
I love how you ask for thanks/respect for getting OpenFeint 'removed' from this app when it was NEVER THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE!
How on earth could they remove this stuff just today when Amazon has a days/weeks long approval process, especially for any app being the free app of the day for which they subject it to extra testing?
As far as I can tell, your misguided view relates to the version of this app in a totally different market (the google android market), and you've somehow conflated the versions+descriptions form the two different markets into one bizarre conspiracy. Alright, if you have a big problem with OpenFeint's leaderboards+achievements being included in that app, go and complain there. Why do you need to rant here and downrate this app here?
In reply to an earlier post on Mar 30, 2012 8:28:22 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Mar 30, 2012 9:23:29 PM PDT
UPDATE: THIS WAS POSTED BEFORE I KNEW HE WAS THE CO-FOUNDER/DEVELOPER OF THIS APP:
Michael, I just responded to your concerns over on the othe post by T. Levesque. You're misunderstanding what we both meant by "removed" in relation to "when." I'll make it clear again here: We are not implying the app for sale here with Feint and then removed. We are saying the app submitted had to have had Feint included and then a second version was made available that didn't match the original description given by the developer that states Feint is included -- with all of this happening BEFORE it became available to download today. The reason it's imperative to compare different versions on different markets is also something I addressed over on the other post to you. Also, none of asked for thanks or respect, including myself.... that's pretty clear in my review. If you're of the belief that the developer just didn't want to put Feint in our version because he likes all of us or something to that effect, I'm afraid you might be wrong. I think YOU might even agree with this, because as you said over in the other post's comment, "all the developer was trying to do was use a popular great leaderboard to enhance our fun" or something to that effect. If that were true, then why give us the version without Feint? The reason is that he's in no hurry. Simply put up this version, get great reviews, then update it later to match the version over on Play. After today's fiasco, though, he may be thinking twice about it. It's rather strange he stayed silent about it all day without one single comment to any of the folks to clear up this mess and put us in our place if we're so wrong , as you're trying to do, wouldn't you say? It makes one wonder......?
In reply to an earlier post on Mar 30, 2012 8:33:43 PM PDT
M. Turner, good for you! That's the smart way to shop! The iOS has its downfalls, too, but you now have the benefit of switching between two OS.... on a day you're sick of one, you can switch to the other! Then rinse and repeat! LOL
In reply to an earlier post on Mar 30, 2012 8:45:10 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Mar 30, 2012 8:46:48 PM PDT
T. Levesque says:
Let me try to explain this to you again. Perhaps, you'll understand this time ?
This app DID have OpenFeint bundled & installed with it up until 8am USA EASTERN TIME this morning-March 30th, 2012 The version I'd downloaded at 3:35am is NOT the same version you see in the App Store right now!
I hadn't played the game to find out if OpenFeint will actually initiate upon start-up like it typically does.
Between keeping up with my day job, then coming home to catch up on all the comments, new reviews, & Googling information to help unsuspecting people understand it all...I'd forgotten to check if the OpenFeint files had remained or returned after refusal of registration.
I searched my application folders & sure enough!! I had an OLDER version 1.02. That I did not update myself.. it took it upon itself to do! But, the real kick in tbe pants? When I searched my app files guess what I found in the FLING! folder? The app YOU claim NEVER had OpenFeint installed in the AppStore Version? That's right! There it was... you just can't mistake that green Double Leaf OpenFeint icon! If it wasn't bundled in Fling! in another version prior to 8am , then how or why is there an OpenFeint folder on my device even AFTER the app was rolled back from 1.03 to 1.02?
In reply to an earlier post on Mar 30, 2012 8:52:03 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Mar 30, 2012 8:52:41 PM PDT
T. Levesque says:
HA, lol I hate to contradict what you're saying but, I truly believe was for sale with Feint & then removed .....
my experience earlier this morning is why.