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Add three stars to my score if this ever gets patched (UPDATE: Read note at bottom),
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This review is from: Zone of the Enders HD Collection (Video Game)
Make no mistake, I love the Zone of the Enders games. Next to Virtual On and the newer Armored Cores, they are some of the most fast, fluid and intense mecha games ever created, with the added bonus of a compelling sci-fi narrative masterfully crafted by Hideo Kojima. So why do I award this "HD remastered" collection of the two PS2 ZOE games one star?
Next to the dire Silent Hill HD, this is one of the sloppiest HD collections yet released. The porting work was farmed out to High Voltage Software, an American studio notorious for putting out licensed junk like White Men Can't Jump, 50 Cent: Bulletproof, and Dora the Explorer. They have very little experience with HD consoles, zero experience with porting other developers' code, and clearly had no idea what they were doing. Compared to the PS2 originals, the framerate of these ports is a complete joke.
Make no mistake, the games will stutter, lag, slow to a crawl, and possibly even crash across the course of a mission. In the scenes that tax the hardware the most, like certain boss battles, the game is practically unplayable. A huge amount of my enjoyment of the original versions came from how fluid the "high speed robot action" was, where you truly felt you were in control of these gorgeous floating monstrosities. That's all but gone here. The unacceptably low framerate also has the unfortunate side effect of rendering the difficulty of some previously challenging battles inconsequential, since you are given so much more time to react to your enemies.
If you are playing the PS3 version, the framerate will be even worse. Konami has claimed that the games play at a smooth 60 frames per second, which is an outright lie. They have also claimed that these ports preserve all the subtle graphical touches and effects of the original versions, which is also untrue. They are mostly intact in the 360 version, but if you are playing on PS3, motion blur is downgraded to be barely noticeable and certain particle effects are entirely removed. There are also strange glitches in background and facial graphics that make it look like you are playing poorly emulated versions of the games.
There are other major problems that could have been solved by a longer development cycle and more competent programmers. For example, getting a trophy in the PS3 version will often freeze the game for minutes at a time. But they are beyond the scope of this review. Suffice to say, Konami needs to release a major patch for this game to fix its numerous issues. It took them a very long time to do this for Silent Hill HD, and it was hardly a panacea. If the ZOE collection is patched and the hardcore fans determine it to be an adequate fix, by all means buy it. Until then, stay the heck away. These amazing games deserved far better treatment.
UPDATE 7/18/2013: After a prolonged wait, a PS3-exclusive patch has finally been released by porting experts HexaDrive. It fixes everything wrong about ZOE2 and more, making this by far the definitive version of the game now. Only problem? It doesn't affect ZOE1, which still retains all of its performance problems. Admittedly, it doesn't have it as bad as ZOE2 had it before the patch, but it's still a major flaw. Note that the patch is over half a gigabyte, in case your PS3's hard drive is nearly full. I've raised the overall score to 3 stars, with the "fun" score referring specifically to ZOE2.
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Initial post: Oct 31, 2012 1:02:17 AM PDT
This really sucks, I was really looking foward to buying and playing this game, thanks for the heads up.
Posted on Oct 31, 2012 2:20:19 AM PDT
This is gotta be a bad joke. First Silent Hill HD, and now this? What else Konami has left in stock... let's fudge it up as well!
Posted on Oct 31, 2012 5:04:23 AM PDT
Pen Name says:
I didn't want to believe it, but this is fourth person's opinion I read that said the PS3 version is a terrible port. Damn Konami, out of all f^&*ing developers why would you pick High Voltage? I never got a chance to play "Zone of the Enders" and now it seems like I never will. Your lose Konami, you just lost a sale.
In reply to an earlier post on Oct 31, 2012 6:36:10 AM PDT
Amazon Customer says:
In reply to an earlier post on Oct 31, 2012 6:54:30 AM PDT
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C. Magrabi says:
Actually, "Amazon verified purchase" just means you bought it on Amazon.
To quote Amazons page about verified purchases:
"When a product review is marked 'Amazon Verified Purchase,' it means that the customer who wrote the review purchased the item at [Amazon]. Customers can add this label to their review only if we can verify the item being reviewed was purchased at Amazon."
Edited: Due to Amazon's odd rules about posting links, the original post needed some editing.
In reply to an earlier post on Oct 31, 2012 7:13:36 AM PDT
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Amazon Customer says:
In reply to an earlier post on Oct 31, 2012 8:08:33 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Oct 31, 2012 8:16:39 AM PDT
Preordered the limited edition at Gamestop. Due to Hurricane Sandy, I likely wouldn't have the game yet if I had bought it on Amazon.
"thegrimmling"'s inaccurate review is not Amazon verified either.
Posted on Oct 31, 2012 11:43:01 AM PDT
M. Owen says:
Exranza, i do agree with some of what you are saying, but have not experienced the full extent of your play issues. I'm running an original 60gb PS3 w/ emoti-drive through a pioneer elite receiver and a samsung LED tv. If you can confirm your hardware, i may be able to see if some of it is a setting that may need changed. As for my gameplay experience, I really did not notice too much in the way of diminished framerates, however, I did notice a slower reaction time or command input from the PS2 version (which I also own). To me the game seemed just a little "sluggish" or not as responsive as the PS2 version. The commands I would input also did not seem to register as accurately as the PS2 version. With this version the burst-slash is a pain in the @$$ to pull off smoothly during combat, whereas the PS2 version allows for the command input to fit in seemlessly. At first I thought it was me and the fact I hadn't played in a while, however, now I'm seeing quite a bit of these comments on the internet and starting to believe the problems lie with the developer. I did notice a vertical, black line in the background as well, but only in one scene. While the graphics have been cleaned up nicely, some of the anime cut-scenes do not seem to have been upscaled from their original 480p format. Is all this enough for me to regret my purchasing the Limited Edition from Gamestop? No. I would purchase it again. The updated graphics, cut scenes, and the fact that both games are included with a remixed soundtrack and artbook make it a must for ZOE fans, if not for just a great collectible. I would still recommend this to anyone who is a fan of the games and want's to see a treasured classic updated for an HD world.
In reply to an earlier post on Oct 31, 2012 12:37:41 PM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on Oct 31, 2012 2:28:42 PM PDT
I already mentioned before that I tested it with the latest firmware. There was no noticeable improvement to ZOE HD. You're grasping at straws to discredit me; the game is broken.
Based on that person's explanation, it seems likely that the reason his problems with Assassin's Creed were fixed was that he upgraded to a newer model of PS3, not because of the firmware update. All current evidence points to Sony having released it specifically to fix connection issues with MHP3rd HD.