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3.0 out of 5 stars Naive about the solution, August 31, 2012
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This review is from: The Party Is Over: How Republicans Went Crazy, Democrats Became Useless, and the Middle Class Got Shafted (Kindle Edition)
This is a good jeremiad about the sorry state of our politics. However, his final chapter on the solution--limited and publicly-financed elections--ignores the severe obstacles. First, constitutional guarantees of free speech can be used by many partisans to overcome whatever system is set up. Second, all of our branches of government have been corrupted to the point that they will fight the changes. Most important, the oligarchy is now so powerful that it might be too late.

Larwrence Lessig's "Republic Lost" covers much of the same ground but offers a much more sophisticated set of ideas for achieving public financing: tax earmarks and constitutional conventions.

But before any constructive solutions can be tried a lot of people will have to be woken up and get really angry, and this book will contribute to that.

BTW: It's great the Bill Moyers is back!
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Initial post: Sep 3, 2012 2:58:26 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Sep 3, 2012 3:11:43 PM PDT
Dusty Rhodes says:
I will be reading this book. I agree with the assessment.

There may be several ways out of this quagmire. May I suggest one, it's a long shot, but if enough people do want to wake up, how is that to be accomplished. It's a psycho-spiritual solution. May I quote in part? The use of intellect needs to stop being a conspiratorial battlefield of conflicting notions. We need to strengthen our intellects to be directed away from the processed distractions of political junk food.

How? By training the intellect itself to to experience, and change, the way the intellect is functioning that obscures a solution. Let's answer why we as a society are willing to eat the political junk food served by the political party elite. I propose it is full of salt and fat and we need to break the addiction.

Yes, it's great to have Bill Moyers back. He's well tuned.

Posted on Sep 27, 2012 3:16:59 AM PDT
I find The Party Is Over to be quite sophisticated enough: replete with facts, figures, observations and trenchant analysis. I have observed the public scene for 60 years, am now an Independent, and can see few flaws in Mr. Lofgren's book.

Those who have a tangible stake in the future-our children- hope and must act under the notion that it ISN'T TOO better not be.

Thank goodness for PBS and Bill Moyers, even though the Koch Brothers are PBS sponsors (corporate image advertising)!

Posted on Sep 28, 2012 10:28:51 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Sep 28, 2012 10:29:39 AM PDT
You are all wrong, IMHO.

The so-called solutions presume that the collective is somehow intact and just needs some major surgery, some caffeine, or other nostrums when in fact there is a division in this country, a split or series of them which make a mockery of the term "United States".

There is only one solution and that is to dissolve the "union" formally which is already fractured in fact. Lincoln was dead wrong to force a union as far back as 1860. Slavery issues should have been dealt with in other ways.

ALL of the travails, problems, and disasters can be traced to a Federal Government that has trashed states' rights.

Name any difficulty facing this mishmash of a country and you can trace it directly back to the Omnipotent Government on the Swamp in the Potomac. As a case in point:

the financial debacle that has ruined the finances of tens of millions, hundreds of millions, billions around the world while simultaneously allowing one man Henry PAulson to pay these monsters at Goldman Sucks trillions in newly printed cash for their abysmal treatment of the savings of hundreds of millions of our people.

This could not have happened if there were a dozen 'federal governments' operating on this part of the North American Continent.

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 27, 2012 11:05:30 AM PDT
Eric Leef says:
So lets imagine what it would be like if Lincoln had not unified the states, Germany would rule Europe and developed nuclear weapons first, Japan would control the pacific, Hawaii would be a monarchy still ( for a time anyway) and America would be ?

Posted on Oct 27, 2012 2:11:19 PM PDT
Dusty Rhodes says:
Interesting but empty argument to say, what if. Monday morning quarterbacking is always 100%. What's done is done. As much as I would like to see the Bay Area succeed from the Nation, and from Southern California, its not going to happen. Next? This election looks to cost 2 billion dollars. That's even alot for Mitty. The stranglehold the corporate monopolies and uber rich have on this country needs to be broken. The conflict needs to be shifted where it belongs, between the rich and powerful (hidden in most cases) and the rest of us. We are perfectly capable of getting along with each other with various religions and world paradigms. The politicos have devised a falst split in that regard. The true resolution needs to be an equalization across socioeconomic differences.

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 27, 2012 4:13:56 PM PDT
Eric Leef says:
I love the Bay Area, I lived there for over a decade and I like SoCAL also. The state is rather large to govern from Sacramento and water will be the main issues soon to come, if not already. I agree with your paragraph. I went to the library and checked out this book to read for myself. Thanks for the feedback:) Another parable is the one about the sticks, individually we are easily broken, but together we are stronger. TV sucks!

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 27, 2012 4:51:34 PM PDT
Dusty Rhodes says:
Except for PBS and Giants and 49ers coverage. Water is a huge issue here. With climate change, promises to be even more so in my other home states of Arizona and Colorado.
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