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This review is from: Robotech:cmp Orig Ser Dvdst (DVD)
I thought I'd leave a 5 Star review to balance out the one below.
Look, it's unlikely we're going to get the entire show redone to Blu Ray standards. Even if we could, it'd still be in the 4:3 presentation. So if Harmony Gold released a Blu Ray edition, it would essentially be the DVDs on Blu Ray - now that would be ripping off the public.
This release is simply to keep the show stocked for new fans, completists or old fans that need to replace the discs.
As a Robotech fan who lived for years and years with incomplete releases (The Perfect Collection from Streamline comes to mind or the mind blowing 2 episodes per tape FHE release [that was a rip off], Sci Fi played the show, but they also edited it to fit in more commercials, I could go on), I still kind of marvel at how effective robotech.com has been at unifying the fan base and keeping the show in the market.
Lord knows, the 90s were dark times...
So be careful what you wish for. Robotech has a large fan base, but it's nothing like Transformers (to use another 80s tv animation). If this show doesn't make constant efforts to stay fresh and make new fans, it'll basically disappear again.
With no new content down the pipeline (that we really know about, I'm not counting the movie, which I don't think will ever be made, Maguire just bought the rights cause it was there to be bought, but I digress...), Robotech may be on the endangered species list (again) soon. It's come back from near death quite a few times, but it's never taken over the market in the way it so deserves, or in a manner that guarantees its prominence 10, 20, 30 years into the future.
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Initial post: Sep 16, 2011 6:36:13 AM PDT
T. Moore says:
In reply to an earlier post on Sep 26, 2011 8:35:57 AM PDT
R. Jolley says:
They are continuing with the Shadow Chronicles and that should be coming out either this Dec or early next year from what was said at the Robotech Panel with Steve and Tommy Yun. This will sadly never be released to Blu-Ray and the remaster is much better than what the Protoculture Edition had. I grew up on Robotech, this is truely keeping it alive.
In reply to an earlier post on Oct 19, 2011 3:36:20 PM PDT
Christopher Schinke says:
The sad truth is that this product was released due to ADV's bankruptcy and losing the rights. Someone bought the rights, and a new set of DVDs is always released in the situation. That's the only reason this set exists, but let's appreciate the new extras at least.
Sadly, there's no way to guarantee that new material will get made. The Shadow Chronicles failed to get the response (financially) that the producers desired, and even the video games didn't sell well. The only viable product is the one that contains the same ol' 85 episodes. If you want new material, try to start a resurgence in the popularity of the brand. That, unfortunately, starts with the purchase of what you may already have...
Posted on Oct 22, 2011 7:04:33 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Oct 22, 2011 7:06:03 AM PDT
"Look, it's unlikely we're going to get the entire show redone to Blu Ray standards. Even if we could, it'd still be in the 4:3 presentation. So if Harmony Gold released a Blu Ray edition, it would essentially be the DVDs on Blu Ray - now that would be ripping off the public. "
God... The ignorance around here could drive someone mad. Look, if something is SD or HD has absolutely NOTHING to do with the aspect ratio. Also, it's not a digitally animated show, so someone out there should have all the resources to release a decent Macross/Robotech Blu-ray.
"So be careful what you wish for. Robotech has a large fan base, but it's nothing like Transformers (to use another 80s tv animation). If this show doesn't make constant efforts to stay fresh and make new fans, it'll basically disappear again."
Wouldn't that be lovely ? Fans of Macross the Abridged would disappear and Harmony Gold along with them. Then someone could actually license and release more Macross, which is the series that Robotech fans likely want more than anything Harmony Gold can give 'em.
"The sad truth is that this product was released due to ADV's bankruptcy and losing the rights. Someone bought the rights, and a new set of DVDs is always released in the situation. That's the only reason this set exists, but let's appreciate the new extras at least."
No, ADV(and by the way, they are still active) lost a ton of titles because their partnership with Sojitz went bad (even then, Funi picked up most of the titles and they didn't get Macross/Robotech). Their partnership started in 2006, they released Robotech and even the Protoculture Set before that. This is just another case of Harmony Gold being Harmony Gold, they probably wanted more money or just felt the need to screw ppl.
In reply to an earlier post on Nov 29, 2011 11:36:20 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Nov 29, 2011 11:45:47 PM PST
P. Stark says:
Anything is possible. The new prints of used for this release would suggest that if someone chose to create a high quality master for the High Definition Digital Age they could certainly do so. It's probably a financial consideration rather than a practical one. The quality of available materials should be of a very good standard by this point. If Harmony Gold USA ever did this I'd hope the original Japanese shows would also see a re-release.
I hate Blu-Ray releases of 1.33:1 material because they encode the video as 16:9 (side panel black bars) due to a 1.78:1 native ratio for 1920x1080 full HD (e.g. a new telecine clean-up/scan to HD Digital Master)!!
What a con that would be. Fill the damn screen!!
720p would be better (see Highlander:The Series) to retain the 4:3 1.33:1 original aspect of the source material. Someone once suggested to me that 1280x720 might be possible, however I know absolutely nothing about picture resolutions for HD. All I do know is I despise side panels and refuse to accept them if an alternative exists. What is the point of a half empty television screen??
BTW, Section 23 etc will never be ADV!! The people are still active in the industry but the trading name is now no longer used by them. Section 23 can reissue the titles former ADV folks managed to retain rights to and they are able to sell-off ADV's remaining stock of older titles.
In reply to an earlier post on Jun 18, 2012 7:38:44 AM PDT
Michael Pollard says:
Personally, I'd rather have 4:3 video with side bars rather than the alternatives. There are two other options - either cut off the top and bottom so that the width matches the 16:9 screen, or stretch the video to fill the screen, distorting the image. I'd rather have the full, undistorted image. If the result means a half-empty screen, so be it. This is a problem with any older, 4:3 content, including any pre-HD TV content that is being re-aired. All of it is either cropped or stretched, or it is shown with black bars on the sides.
By the way, 720p (1280x720) is the same 16:9 aspect ratio as 1080p (1920x1080), just with a lower-resolution image. It would do nothing to restore a 4:3 ratio.
Also, many TVs and most players offer the option to either zoom the image (which cuts off the top and bottom) or to stretch it to fill the screen (which distorts it). You can have the full-screen image you want without damaging the video for those who want to see the whole, original picture.
Also, while it may be possible to re-scan the original art to create an HD version, the original physical artwork may have been damaged or destroyed (either by accident or discarded by the company) or they may have simply degraded with time. If the art is available but degraded, preparation of a new HD version would involve a laborious, that is, EXPENSIVE, restoration process. Some big-budget movies have been restored, but only because the company expects to make a lot of money off the re-release.
In reply to an earlier post on Jun 20, 2012 8:55:53 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jun 20, 2012 9:03:28 AM PDT
P. Stark says:
Yes I know I screwed up the exact resolution requirements to fill the sceen but I don't have a technichal background and just watch the programme, not obsessing over the next revolution in home entertainment!
Its not really 4:3 unless it is encoded as 4:3!
What you get IS a 16:9 encoded disc for Blu-Ray thus containing anything less than probably 1.66:1 (original aspect of Dr No) within a 16:9 Side-Panel Window.
1.78:1 is the industry standard 16:9 for widescreen encoding or 1080i TV broadcast but 1.85:1 is also open-matte when on BD or DVD.
What HD offers, as there is no true 4:3 anymore, is the original image contained within this stupid side-panel window!
1.33:1 is still encoded at 16:9.
Similarly if a film was shot in 1.37:1 Academy format it would be encoded at 16:9 for BD to avoid cropping.
My original view was simply to express my displeasure at the industry standard ignoring 4:3 as true Full-screen as I'm accutely aware the 1.33:1 image with the stupid bars is Full-Frame as no image is lost it is simply encoded at 16:9 and sits in the center of your TV screen rather than filling it!! You see what I did there - full screen vs full frame to illustrate the point!
Not worth arguing about.
4:3 full-frame seems to exist only in SD TV or SD VHS/DVD formats at this point
Why bother having a TV smaller than 60" if you have to stare at black space all throughout your programme or movie. Half the screen is unused! at least DVD filled the thing. I'm sure the industry could have encoded at a 4:3 compatible HD resolution with fewer lines horizontally and had player or TV settings for those who like the presentation of a 4:3 image on a 16:9 sceen.
Again, just play around with the aspect button on you TV to see what I mean. Early Panasonic widescreen
TVs had a Just button/mode that helped reshape the corners of the screen to minimize the stretched look people sometimes comment on. That was interesting.
Large TV, Tiny Picture!
Once again I have no idea what 4:3 would be 1080x???
I do understand where you are coming from.
BTW never ZOOM the image quality is terrible.
My view has always been - Why encode anything for 1920x1080 presentation at 16:9 (Full HD industry standard) for a video source created for 4:3 presentation. SD is currently maybe 640x480 NTSC or 768x576 PAL so what's the point of encoding all BD content SD or HD at 16:9???
I fully understand BROADCAST TV being 16:9 for HD as 1080i channels retain the 16:9 aspect regardless of the source content being HD or SD, but why on BD!
I just don't get it.
Also I don't support cropping and stretching (reframing). I imported Kung Fu season 2 and Buffy The Vampire Slayer Seasons 4-7 from the USA to the UK for that very reason. They retained the original shooting aspect.
In reply to an earlier post on Jun 10, 2014 1:24:20 AM PDT
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Moroboshi Ataru says:
Right on brother! It's nuts how robonerds drool and whine over this undead zombie which cannot and will not ever be 'alive' in the first place...when the real thing lives and thrives! Unbelievable!
Hey kiddies: it's Macross that is alive...Robostank never existed in the first place, it's just a corny name slapped on other people's creation. Get real.
'Prominence'? It was a 3rd. rate bad dub that is essentially unknown outside of it's original fans, who saw it at 12 years old and never woke up to how bad it is. It's only prominence is that it symbolizes schlock, and makes americans look stupid.
In reply to an earlier post on Jun 10, 2014 1:28:06 AM PDT
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Posted on Oct 3, 2014 2:41:19 PM PDT
Alexander Jamal says:
Robotech is 3 different shows. MACROSS is on blu ray, but i think one of the other 2 isn't. Simple answer.
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