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Witcher 2 vs. Witcher 2 (Spoiler - In this battle, only PS3 gamers lose),
This review is from: The Witcher 2: Assassins Of Kings Enhanced Edition (Video Game)
After receiving a copy of The Witcher 2: Assassins of Kings Enhanced Edition for the Xbox 360, I decided to play the PC version of the game (my 3rd time through) simultaneously with the Xbox 360 version. I played 3 hours per sitting - 90 minutes on the PC version, 90 minutes on the 360. At least that's how I started. 18 hours into this grand experiment (and/or geeky lunacy) and 9 hours into each version of the game, I set the PC version aside and began playing the 360 version exclusively.
Is this to say that the 360 version is better? The 360 version is close enough to make it the better option for those who prefer gaming with a controller over a keyboard and mouse. The PC version of the game and the 360 version use the same 360 controller, but developer CD Projekt Red has done such an excellent job at revamping and streamlining the controller layout for the 360 that going back to the PC version started feeling painful, despite those pretty, pretty PC graphics.
Graphically, the PC version is superior, but the 360 version is more impressive. How? The 360 version somehow took the graphics of the PC version -- which wouldn't even play on "high" settings until I upgraded my PC with a $390 graphics card, last year -- and made them comparable.
Yes, we see more pop-up. No, we don't get as much depth of field. Yes, there are more jaggies. No, the texture quality isn't as detailed. Yes, there is screen-tear (this was the hardest for my eyes to get used to, but my girlfriend couldn't see it, even as I was frantically pointing at the screen screaming, "Right there! Look! It just happened again!"). But the console this is playing on is seven years old and was half the price of the year old video card that is used in my PC.
How did they pull this off?!?
After a beautiful CG intro. created for this version (and, thanks to CD Projekt Red actually rewarding paying customers, instead of punishing them for their loyalty, now available as free DLC for those owning the game on the PC), the graphics may initially underwhelm -- especially if you're coming off the PC version. But just wait.
Wait until you're running from a fire-breathing dragon. Wait until you see the sun begin shining through the trees at dawn in the forest outside of Flotsam (the lighting effects in this game are beautiful -- noticeably better than those in the PC version). The further into the game you get, the better the game looks. By the time you finish, you'll look at your 360 and wonder if someone quietly replaced it with an Xbox 720 while you were away. The Witcher 2 is the best looking game on the console.
The Witcher 2 is no slouch in the gameplay department, either. If you can imagine a Western style RPG (Fallout, Elder Scrolls) merged with a JRPG (Final Fantasy, Persona 3) by way of George R.R. Martin (Game of Thrones) -- you can get a sense of what The Witcher 2 has in store for you. The game is dark, gritty, absurd in the best possible way, and adult. It is not like any other RPG you've ever played.
There's a choice system in The Witcher 2, but most choices aren't presented as "good," "in-between," or "bad." They're just choices. Like in real life, you can't even be sure if you're making good choices (or "bad" ones, if that's your style) until the choices have been made. Like in real life, you'll kick yourself a few times, knowing you chose poorly a number of times, despite trying to do the right thing. Many times the consequences of your choices won't be revealed until hours later.
No matter the choices you make, the game will send you on a bevy of quests the likes of which you have never seen in a game. In the first 5 hours alone, you can try to help an alcoholic troll get off the sauce, you can seek out the embryo of Endrega (don't ask) to help a witch cast a spell that may take the curse off of a medallion you got from a dead boy who was killed because you gave the boy bad advice at the start of the game (again, choices matter and you don't always know if you've made the right ones), or you can collect some mucous from a gigantic sea monster who has been randomly picking fishermen off the docks and devouring them.
With mucous, embryos and vodka soaked trolls, you may start getting the impression the game is in the slapstick vein of the Fable titles. Get rid of that impression immediately. Despite the unique nature of the quests, this game takes itself seriously. It tells a grown-up story in a grown-up way. If you have any doubt about how serious this game can get, wait until you hit the haunted hospital early on. The quest is like something spit up from Hell -- and it's nerve-racking enough to have you feeling shaken up by the time it's over, if you can make it that long without taking a breather.
The Witcher 2 is an all-around amazing game. I never hooked up my 360 to the Internet while playing, so never downloaded any patches, and the game had but one glitch. And that glitch was funny enough I wondered if it was kept in on purpose. When climbing up a ladder at the very beginning of the game, our "hero," Geralt, literally has his head up the king's butt. It was clearly a collision detection issue, but my girlfriend thought it made for grand humor. After coming off of Skyrim -- which was glitchy to the point where I started wondering if Bethesda Game Studios had a vendetta against its loyal fans -- a gigantic RPG that ran virtually glitch-free without half a dozen patches felt miraculous.
Are there problems with the game? Yes. But what it gets wrong is hardly worth mentioning. Forcing gamers to set up and take potions before -- and making potions off limits during -- a fight is a little sadistic (these are also the only times in the game where you can't save). Despite the tweaks made to the menu for the 360 release, it is still a bear to navigate. An immediate fix I'd recommend is to make sure that after upgrading a sword or armor, the sword or armor you just upgraded remains selected. For some reason, after you upgrade a weapon or a piece of armor, the game sends you back to the top of the item list. If you want to add more than one upgrade, you have to scroll all the way back down to the item you had just scrolled down to a minute earlier. But these are minor nits to pick at in a nearly perfect game.
The Witcher 2 is the whole package. What CD Projekt Red pulled off, in their first console game, is something many developers are still striving for in their fifth or sixth console entry. The music, the graphics, the gameplay, the quests, the story, the voice-acting, the environments, and the art-design are all top-notch. How a company developing for a console could hit it this far out of the park on their very first try is something of a welcome mystery.
In a "battle" between the PC and the 360 version of the game, only PS3 gamers lose (hopefully CD Projekt Red makes that right, soon -- everyone should get a chance at playing this game). The downgraded graphics are a little hard to get used to if you've spent dozens of hours on the PC version of the game, but going back to the less-than-perfect control scheme on the PC version, after playing the 360 version, is even harder. Would I recommend this to those who have already finished it on the PC? Probably not (although it is fun to compare the two). Would I recommend this to those with a 360 who have never played it? Unconditionally.
The Witcher 2 is the best RPG of this console generation, and one of the best games to grace a seventh-generation console. I don't know how they did it, but I'm sure glad they did. Those of you waiting for something better can stop your waiting! The Witcher 2 is likely "Game of the Year 2012" for the 360 (or any console, for that matter). What are you still reading this for, when you could be playing? Go now, Witcher ... there are monsters that need slaying and worlds that need saving!
Specs (both versions played on a 50-inch Panasonic Plasma 1080p HDTV, for comparison purposes):
Settings on the PC version of the game used for this review:
Anisotropic Filtering - 10x
Anti-aliasing - 4x
Lighting Quality - High
Texture Quality - High
Shadow Quality - High
Grass Quality - High
Decals Fade - Medium
Depth of Field - Enabled
Visibility Range - Average
Small Animals Number - Average
Settings on the 360 version of the game used for this review:
Power Button - On
A few gameplay tips I learned throughout my many adventures with The Witcher:
- Avoid playing on "easy," if at all possible. When they say "easy," they mean it. It turns the game into a button-masher, where you can just press "A" and/or "X" from beginning to end. "Normal" is a little more difficult than most games at "Normal" settings, but stick with it.
- Many battles have a "safe spot." This is probably the most important thing to remember when feeling overwhelmed. When you're facing what seems like insurmountable odds, find this safe spot and let your health regenerate. Then go fight some more. Wash, rinse, repeat.
- Don't skip the cutscenes and -- if you have the time -- read the journals. There is a heckuva great story being told in this game. The more you put in, the more you get out.
- If the sword with the silver wolf head on the handle is at your back, the sword you're using is steel (for humans). If the sword with the silver wolf head on the handle is in your hand, the sword you're using is silver (for monsters). If you're using the wrong sword, you're in for a world of hurt.
- The magic sign "Quen" can be your best friend in a difficult battle. When all seems lost, give it a try.
- To level up press the back button. Once there, you'll see your item list. Hit the left or right trigger until you're at the leveling up tree. If you play the tutorial, you know this already.
- Play the tutorial.
- When done, there's an amazing prequel just waiting to be played. Despite being 5 years old, the original Witcher is still a great game. No, you don't need to play that one first. But if you loved the second, there's a lot more waiting for you, should you choose to delve even further into this wonderful gaming universe.
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Initial post: Apr 27, 2012 10:43:13 PM PDT
or play the first before coming to this one! great review!
In reply to an earlier post on Apr 28, 2012 4:03:33 AM PDT
Thanks! And, yes, whether you play the first one first or play it as a prequel, it's an awesome game. Witcher was PC's best kept secret. I'm so glad it's being introduced to console gamers. If they ever translated the books to English and released them in their proper order, I'd love to read them. Can't ever get enough Witcher!
In reply to an earlier post on Apr 29, 2012 12:59:40 AM PDT
Thanks for the great review. I also played TW2 on both PC and Xbox 360 and agree with your assessment of the game.
Just in case you don't know, there are 2 Witcher books translated into English, and another one on the way -- And in a way, they are in order:
- "The Last Wish" is one of the five books that contains all the collection of short stories; most were originally published in Polish fantasy magazines. A few of these stories served as prequel to "The Blood of Elves" below. You will instantly recognize some of these stories by the appearance of some characters (eg. Velerad, Chidean, Toruviel) and references (eg. the curse of the black sun) made in the games. Yennefer also made her debut here.
- "Blood of Elves" is the first in the series of 'The Witcher Saga' -- These are full length novels. In this one, you will get to know the Kaer Morhen witchers, Triss, Ciri, Philippa, Shani; and more about Yennefer and Dandelion.
- "Time of Contempt", which - after several delays - will be published late this year. This is the sequel to "Blood of Elves".
In addition to the books above, there is also a movie: "The Hexer" (hexer means warlock in German and is the original translation of 'wiedzmin'. CD Projekt Red, however, thinks that 'witcher' is more original and appropriate.
At any rate, the movie - along with "The Hexer" TV series that expanded the movies (if you must, you can watch these on youtube) - is regarded as a disaster because, besides the dirt cheap production value, they deviate so much from the story that it was generally disowned by fans and author alike - and I can see why after watching the movie and 1 episode (I've stopped). As is, I highly recommend the books to The Witcher fans, but not the movies or the TV series - as these can severely ruin your experience. At the least, please read the books first.
In reply to an earlier post on Apr 30, 2012 1:26:02 PM PDT
Were all 5 collections released before the full-length novels? If some/all were can you still read Blood of Elves and pretty easily figure out what's going on, who's who, etc.? What made me want to wait to read the series is numerous reviews saying that Time of Contempt is pretty hard to follow without having read the short story collections. How is the series as a whole? I get a strong "A Song of Fire and Ice" (the George R.R. Martin series that began with Game of Thrones) vibe from the games (especially the second). Do the books have that sort of gritty, adult storytelling, as well? Thanks for the info. you gave on the books and thanks for reading this lengthy response, if you've gotten this far!
In reply to an earlier post on May 1, 2012 4:13:15 PM PDT
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I am not sure about the rest of the short stories collection, but I do know that "The Last Wish"is released prior to the full-length novels. I've heard good things about George RR Martin, but have not read his books. The only fantasy books I've read are those of Tolkien and Neil Gaiman so I don't have much to compare to (obviously, The Witcher books are grittier and darker).
However, I can certainly say that the games captured the spirits of the books perfectly - Kudos to CD Projekt for the noteworthy achievement. Since I have not read "The Times of Contempt", I can't comment on it; but both "The Last Wish" and "Blood of Elves" are easy to follow. My only complaint is that the prose does not flow as smoothly as Tolkien's or Gaiman's prose. However, I suspect it's due to something that was lost in translation rather than something lacking in the original Polish prose.
For those who are interested in The Witcher books, if possible, I recommend taking a litmus test by going to your local bookstore, order a drink, and read the short story "The Lesser Evil" (around 30 pages) from "The Last Wish." IMO, this short story is the definitive microcosm of the Witcher universe. If you like this story, you will like the books.
BTW, reading the books have boosted my level of enjoyment of the games through the roof. For example, when I first ran into Aryan La Valette in TW2, he mentioned that his favorite tale of Geralt is the one with Renfri. Indeed, this is the Renfri from "The Lesser Evil" - and is my favorite tale as well. Also, you may have gotten the "Butcher of Blaaviken" Xbox360 achievement while playing the game -- This is also a reference to "The Lesser Evil". In addition, you probably remember Deidre Ademeyn from TW1 DLC "The Price of Neutrality" (and also Sabrina Glevissig). Well, the character of Deidre - from appearance, to background, to temperament - is without a doubt modeled after Renfri of "The Lesser Evil."
Posted on May 2, 2012 9:29:11 AM PDT
Matthew Anderson says:
I have to agree as someone who owns both the PC and 360 version that although the graphics suffer the gameplay makes up for it and then some. I really love the fact that all of my DLC from the PC was included. One of my pet peeves though is the glitches. The dice playing priest in the basement of the Flotsam inn is one of the first encountered. In the PC version beating him gave you a link to discounted Atari Games. In the 360 version it just gives you a yearning for the gods to grant you the relic he carries. Why couldn't they have just added some new trophy instead of leaving those gamers who only played the 360 version wondering what they are doing wrong. Another thing was in the quest to meet Loredo. You spy on Sile and Loredo talking and there is a section of audio dialogue missing. This next glitch is very strange. When you go to meet Letho for the first time you will take Iorveth as your "prisoner" to get his secret plan revealed. If you did what any experienced player will do and you take your time to meet Iorveth so that you can explore and prepare for a battle you will find Iorveth at the Elven Garden except he is not alone. For some reason he will be getting hacked to death by Roche. Roche is not supposed to be there so it can be very confusing. Despite glitches I would still put this in my top five all time game list. This is a very deep and thoughtful game. The story is complex and deals with, as in real life, unclear paths based more on personal morals than a strict sense of right and wrong. This is a very, I mean VERY, adult game. The kiddies are probably not ready for this type of intensity.
In reply to an earlier post on May 2, 2012 4:20:24 PM PDT
You've sold me on the books. At the very least, I'm going to take your advice and read "The Lesser Evil" and see how I like it. Thanks!
If you don't want to delve into George R.R. Martin's lengthy, never-ending series, try the HBO show. Season 1 was awesome! I haven't watched season 2 -- outside of the first episode on a free preview weekend -- as I don't have HBO anymore, but I've heard good things.
In reply to an earlier post on May 2, 2012 4:24:21 PM PDT
So THAT'S what the deal was! I guess I did come across a second glitch, then. I have rolled a zillion great hands against that Monk dude, but he keeps saying I'm lucky, but not lucky enough (or whatever). I gave up, figuring I needed to get 5 matching die. I was planning on going back to get that on my second play-through, though. Thanks for saving me the time!
Oddly, I never noticed him when playing on the PC. I was actually thinking he was added for the 360 version. Wonder how I missed him?
Posted on May 5, 2012 6:54:52 AM PDT
Chad E. Munn says:
So... it's good then?
Just Kidding. I'm the other gushing reviewer just below yours. This game is THE EXCELLENT!
In reply to an earlier post on May 12, 2012 4:00:46 PM PDT
Best of 2012? Or, BEST OF 2012! This game laid down the gauntlet for all the rest.