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Who founded America?,
This review is from: The Question of Freemasonry and the Founding Fathers (Paperback)
This book established two unrefutable facts:
1) Freemasonry had only a small influence in the construction of the US Constitution
2) The Illuminati had only a small influence in freemasonry at the time the US Constitution was being constructed
The Questions this book does not answer:
1) Did the Illuminati have any influence on the construction of the US Constitution
2) Were agents of the Illumnati working in government at the time the US Constitution was constructed
Late 18th Century Freemasonry held a strong Christian bias and not that of Secularism. While all Founding Fathers were not traditional Christians, they all promoted the Christian ethic as an essential to freedom. Illuminism seems to have gained a presence in Freemasonry somewhere near the mid to late 19th century, though it may have been present earlier.
These facts help us answer the last two questions:
1) No, the Illuminati did not have a significant influence, if any, on the construction of the United States since A. it did not gain a significant influence until the mid to late 19th cent. and B. the Founding Fathers did not believe that the Constitution was compatible with any civilization that did not observe Judeo-Christian principles.
2) Maybe, it is possible that sympathizers worked in government at this time but would have had very little influence until the 1850s or later.
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Initial post: Jun 16, 2007 5:46:27 PM PDT
Malcolm Andrews says:
I appreciate your review, but my observation is that it only takes a little leaven to leaven the lump. So, the "little" influence that the masons and illuminati had can be seen in the fact that the framers refused to acknowledge the most important person in history-- of course, I am speaking of Jesus Christ. Read Psalm 2, and you will see that all rulers are under obligation to acknowledge Him and worship Him. The constitution is defective in at least three ways 1. Does not acknowledge Christ as King, 2. Does not acknowledge God's law as an abiding principle for a free society, and 3. It authorizes freedom of religion -- and so we have Roman Catholicism, Judaism, Mohammadenism, etc. etc. The fruit of which we see all around us today: broken homes, doped up children, more and more bizzare and violent crimes.
In reply to an earlier post on Jun 18, 2007 8:11:52 PM PDT
Most of the world has seen the commitment to freedom of religion (including non-religion) as the greatest accomplishment of the American War of Independence. I'm of that camp, though my home is unbroken, my one son is a model of abstinence from drugs and booze, and we leave our doors unlocked where I live.
Your assertion that the vices you decry are statistically correlated to non-fundamentalis-Christian communities is pure fantasy. The opposite is true; the highest rates of divorce, alcoholism, drug abuse, violence, incest, child abuse, and rape are all in the Southern states, and there in the rural areas per capita. Christians in America seem to be suffering a kind of mass road rage.
In reply to an earlier post on Sep 2, 2011 9:25:32 AM PDT
I would assert that welfare is highest in the Southern states. Govenment intervention has declared that men are irrelevent as fathers and husbands and providers. I have seen this firsthand in my own extended family and in my community. Government workers are given commissions here for getting people onto welfare rolls or children into the system. Some years back the gov. had a wonderful policy known around here as the fourth child jackpot. If a woman had a fourth child they received a huge bonus in income. Couple that with poor educational standards and yes, you will see devastation, family breakdowns, drug abuse and violence. The agonizing cries of a broken system, of a people without hope. If a man is told he can't provide as well as the gov. so get out what is that man to do? He has been supplanted. Many years ago, a man named Nimrod struck his fist to heaven and declared man did not need God in governing himself. He declared to his people he would build a great city and he, Nimrod, the mighty hunter, would provide for and protect them. He built a huge tower declaring he would reach heaven on his own without God. He told them they did not need God to be happy in life. His government would give them all they needed as long as they were loyal.
While I grant you we, the Bible Belt has fallen it is because we have supplanted religion for relationship with Christ. There is a big difference. Relationship takes effort and our day to day lives steal our time bit by bit. Somwhere along the way we forgot the fragrance of His Being, the wonder of walking in the garden with Him, the joy of being in His presence. Religion became easier. The Church is His Bride and without relationship we are just going through the motions. The salt lost it's savour here in the South because the Bride did not want to dirty her feet when He knocked at our door. Only a return to relationship with Christ, repentance and a falling back in love with He who gave up heaven for the one He loved with more passion than we can imagine will save us now.
Posted on Mar 28, 2012 5:54:05 AM PDT
Paul Marks says:
As you know the Illuminati (as a formal organization) were Bavarian (and had rather mixed success in Bavaria - which remains today one of the most conservative areas of Germany, indeed of Europe), but illuminati type ideas spread to France (thanks to the patronage of important Free Masons such as the Duke of Orleans) and, to a lesser extent, to the United Kingdom (where Free Masonary effectively split into pro and anti French Revolution factions - although there was some effort to retain Free Masonary as a place where people of different political opinions could meet).
The influence of illuminati type ideas can be seen in Tom Paine (although he did not like the practical consequences of them - protesting againt the murder of Louis XVI, which almost got him executed also), but Paine's influence was very limited (as can be seen by the reaction of John Adams to Paine's ideas).
I write as someone who is NOT a Free Mason.
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