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3.0 out of 5 stars DOWNGRADE to the iPod Classic, September 11, 2007
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This is my third iPod. My first iPod was a 4G 40GB, my second was a 5G 60GB.

When I upgraded from the 4G to 5G it was a big improvement. I absolutely loved the new features such as color, photos, video, album art, etc...

Unfortunately my upgrade to the 80GB iPod `Classic' has been nothing but a big disappointment. When I heard Apple was about to release a new line of iPods I sold my 5G and was eagerly awaiting Jobs' keynote. First I must admit I was very disappointed they didn't release a high capacity `Touch'... I mean really disappointed... Although I strongly desire all the amazing features of the `Touch' such as WiFi and the fullscreen touch screen, my first requirement would be enough capacity to hold my entire 63 GB music library. I settled for the 80GB `Classic' since I was iPodless.

My first reaction with the iPod `Classic' was that it looked like a much sexier 5G iPod. This 80GB unit was noticeably thinner. The brushed aluminum front looked really great too. Unfortunately it was all downhill from there:

* The `Classic' does not come with the little sleeve case that 5G's came with.

* The screen is slightly lower than the brushed metal front and I am concerned it will begin to collect dust around the edges.

* The click wheel is HORRIBLE (what the hell happened) it completely lacks response and sensitivity. My 5G 60GB was so easy to navigate and after over a week of using my new `Classic' I find it the biggest pain to navigate. For this reason alone I wish I had my old 60GB 5G back.

* Coverflow... I was really looking forward to this feature. I make a lot of effort to maintain my music library and I'd say 95%+ of my music has cover art. Unfortunately the coverflow is so slow and laggy that it renders the feature completely gimmicky and not functional. When I flow through albums all I see are "question mark albums" and it takes a few seconds for the actual album covers to replace the "question mark albums".

* Another big disappointment is that you are no longer able to view album covers full screen as you are playing a song. (You used to be able to do this by clicking the middle button a few times when playing a song)...

* Also overall I find the GUI pretty slow when browsing my library... Sometimes it takes a few seconds to view the next layer of navigation when you push the button.

* I think Apple added some cool visual aspects to the GUI like animation in between menus etc.... Unfortunately these are sometimes choppy making me wish I just had the simple less-fancy old menus back.

* My iPod has frozen a few times. Sometimes I can scroll through the main menu but when I actually click on something (such as Music, Podcasts, or Extras) nothing actually happens...

So yes I am terribly disappointed with the iPod `Classic'. Keep in mind that this level of disappointment is relative to the high level of quality I expect from Apple on their iPod line. Although I am really disappointed this is probably still the best high capacity music player on the market. (Definitely better than the Zune)... It just isn't much better than (and is actually worse) than the 5G Video iPod. So my advice: if you currently have a 5G or 5.5G and are considering upgrading, don't, wait for Apple to release something better.

UPDATE: (9/18/2007)
I previously mentioned that the Classic doesn't come with the white sleeve/case that 5G's came with. Now I know why. When the 5G iPods are in the sleeve the click wheel is still functional.. if you press your finger against it you can pause, skip the track, adjust the volume, etc... (granted you can't see the screen).. Today I tried this with the Classic (in the old 5G sleeve) I can no longer adjust the volume on the iPod when the sleeve is on. I wonder if this is related to the overall click-wheel problem.

UPDATE: (9/19/2007)
Games purchased from the iTunes store for older iPods ARE NOT compatible with the Classic. This means the $20 I spent on four games for my previous iPod is completely wasted. Apple has said to customers that they must 're-purchase' the games in the new compatible format.

UPDATE: (9/20/2007)
I've added a video demonstration to show how slow and sluggish the cover flow feature is. The demo is using the new firmware update which supposedly addressed the cover flow issue.

UPDATE: (9/25/2007)
Two more issues are really annoying me. If anyone knows a solution/fix for either of them please post it in this review's comment section.

1) If you are playing a song and you don't touch any buttons for a while (after the backlight has already turned off) the clock "screensaver" comes on and you cannot see what is currently being played. This is particularly annoying when I am shuffling through all my songs and I have to touch the clickwheel just to disengage the "screen saver" to see what song is being played.

2) When I charge the iPod via USB (using Vista) the backlight on the iPod is ALWAYS on and there is no way to turn it off. So when I charge the unit overnight the backlight is still on when I wake up in the morning.

Update: (10/1/2007)
see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AK-rDeD1Lfk

Update: (11/6/2007)
So my iPod totally died... Or rather the screen died. It was covered under warranty and Apple ultimately sent me a brand new iPod Classic. Apple Support handled the issue very fast and efficiently. The scroll wheel on my 'new' Classic is PERFECT!!! It's just as good as the old iPods, I was truly surprised... Also it generally seems to be running much better. Has Apple modified the hardware since the initial release? Or is this all a matter of a software fix? Either way I am much happier with the Classic. (On another note I recently switched to the iPhone and it is the best thing ever!!! 6 out of 5 stars)
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Initial post: Sep 21, 2007 2:02 PM PDT
 Amanda Hugnkiss says:
Great review, thanks for taking the time to share it on video. I don't particularly mind having the art "catch up" to what I'm looking at but I can see how it could be annoying to some. The video you provided actually sold me on buying it- I thought it would be much worse.

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 21, 2007 2:31 PM PDT
 Kevin Barmish says:
Glad you found the review helpful! I hope I didn't make the coverflow problem seem worse than it actually is.

Posted on Sep 23, 2007 8:33 AM PDT
Yeah, I hate to say it, but you did make the cover flow issue sound much worse than it actually is. Im getting the $100 credit back from my iPhone and have been thinking about buying a new classic 80 so I can store all my music and your video and most of the reviews on here have convinced me to get one. Thanks for the in depth review!

Posted on Sep 23, 2007 9:42 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Sep 23, 2007 9:42 PM PDT
 Shu-ling Hsu says:
I will connect my iPod to my car's stereo system and access it directly from stereo system, so the slow coverflow and click wheel issues shouldn't be a big problem to me. But still, thank you for sharing! Now I know what I should expect for the money i am paying. :)

Posted on Sep 26, 2007 11:28 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Sep 26, 2007 11:29 AM PDT
 S. Khan says:
I heard that the new generation of iPods do NOT have the video-out capibility that was available through the headphone jack, as it was with the previous two iPods. Is this true? I surely hope not as I used to use hook up my iPod to the TV and watch videos all the time.
btw, the backlight remaining on while chraging was added during the 5.5 Generation, not sure why though.

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 26, 2007 11:40 AM PDT
 Kevin Barmish says:
Video out through headphone-> I've heard this is true but I have not tried myself.
But I think the S-Video out on the iPod dock should work.

Posted on Sep 26, 2007 12:53 PM PDT
 Mr. Smith says:
Ummm, those aren't the question marks. Those are Notes. And I think iPod is too weak to render pictures while quickly shuffling art. So I think it is on purpose. As far as everything else, the only downer I find important is low response of touch sensitive wheel.

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 26, 2007 1:20 PM PDT
 Kevin Barmish says:
Yes they are notes, I think my point is still clear though. And they should not implement a software feature (cover-flow) if the hardware cannot handle it!

Posted on Sep 27, 2007 11:03 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Sep 27, 2007 11:04 AM PDT
 LaShonda Bates says:
Thanks for the review! I can't ever recall a review being this thorough here on Amazon.com. I plan on purchasing this as a birthday present for my husband. With him being a newbie to the iPod, I don't think he'll mind the slight problem with the click wheel and the albulm cover art catch up. Right now, the only music he has in his office is this pitiful file on his computer that he listens to over and over and over again. Also, he's not really into games or videos and any show that he watches he's fine with catching it on tv. He'll basically use it for music and the other stuff are perks. Again, thanks for the review, because it was very helpful! :0)

Posted on Sep 28, 2007 7:43 AM PDT
 David Dicicco says:
You should work for engadget (a tech blog, if you're unfamiliar). Excellent review. What I saw at the Apple store did not impress me. I'm also with you re: the iTouch. That's a product I'd love to have, but with more storage.
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