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NOT SWISS MADE/SHORT BAND- Invicta #4342 Russian Diver,
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This review is from: Invicta Men's 4342 Russian Diver Collection Black Sport Watch (Watch)
I wanted to write this review to inform future buyers of this item, the Invicta Men's Russian Diver Collection Black Watch #4342, of two facts;
1) This watch is not "Swiss Made" as indicated in the pictures of the product that Amazon displays. When I actually received the watch it stated "Swiss Mvmt" on the dial and "Swiss Parts Movement" on the back of the watch case. This means that you are not getting a "100% Swiss Made and Assembled" watch. **Amazon needs to clarify this on the product page and change the pictures to resemble the actual watch that you will be getting.
2) The watch band is extremely short. I have an 8-8.25" wrist and was only able to attach the strap uncomfortably on the last hole. I researched alternative aftermarket 26mm straps and even contacted Invicta for a possible exchange/replacement. The aftermarket straps would only accommodate one set of springs per side without user modification, while this watch actually has two springs per side (probably due to the size and weight of the case). Invicta Service was not able to offer a better solution. The customer service representative stated that the only other option they had to accommodate the two springs, and thus not compromise the integrity of the watch, was a leather band. However, I would have to order it (they would not exchange/replace) and that it measured the same length as the original. **Amazon needs to clarify the actual watch band size instead of just stating "mens".
Some other thoughts about this item;
The watch I received was obviously an open box or return item as it was missing the standard Invicta polishing cloth that comes with all of their watches. It also had some missing protective plastic along one of the sides of the case and the plastic for the crystal had obviously been removed prior and replaced poorly.
Even with these issues, this is a beautiful large watch and would be a great value at the lightning price of eighty dollars for someone with a much smaller wrist and less concern for where and how the watch was manufactured.
A well informed consumer is a satisfied consumer. Amazon please clarify these issues on the product page and maybe reconsider providing more consistent and accurate information on all of your watches.
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Initial post: Dec 21, 2009 8:26:17 PM PST
It looks like Invicta change their watch mid-production...earlier ones say Swiss Made while others replace "MADE" with "MVMT"
Posted on Dec 30, 2009 10:54:35 AM PST
Johnny Trigger says:
The world of watches have very strict definitions and it is up to the buyer to find out about those definitions if the words are important to them. No one that understands these definitions and considers them important would make the mistake you are hoping to clean up. Amazon is right in the definition. The cheapest Certified Swiss made Chronometre that I own is over $5,000 back in 2001. It costs $800 and 8 weeks and countless tests to get a tune up done on it. Swiss movement doesn't really mean all that much anyhow. It is pretty fascinating to read about the designation of a real chronometer and the tests it has to pass to be certified. No one who depends on a watch for work and depends on it to be precise would see swiss movement and think it means anything. I think your review is a bit unfair to amazon in that you are accusing them of shady advertisement when in fact they are fully able to do it that way and are correct. You are just not well versed in the terms. If you can edit it out to be factual and fair that might be a nice thing to do. Its a cheap throw away watch and shouldn't be considered anything else. Its either well made for what it is or it isn't.
In reply to an earlier post on Dec 30, 2009 1:59:55 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 30, 2009 2:14:56 PM PST
With all due respect, I think that the reviewer's intention was just to say that the original pictures that Amazon had of this watch showed a dial with the words "SWISS MADE"...which, as you probably know, since you sound like you are a serious watch person, has a some legal implication regarding its "Swiss-ness" [I am not an expert, by any means, so please feel free to correct me!]. Amazon's own officially-posted pictures indicate "SWISS MVMT" and "Swiss Parts Movement", which have little legal meaning, and are less desireable...but accurately describe the current version of the watch, it seems; however, some of the photos posted by other customers DO show "SWISS MADE" on the dial, so perhaps they should be removed: they are either photos of a different version of the 4342, or an entirely different watch.
I don't think E.P. is complaining that the watch is not a Swiss-made chronometer...on the contrary, the reviewer appears happy with the watch...they were just asking Amazon to update/remove the current customer-uploaded photos that indicate "SWISS MADE," which appears to not correspond to the current version of the watch.
Anyway...Happy New Year!!
In reply to an earlier post on Jan 6, 2010 1:17:59 AM PST
I bought this watch from Amazon in November and it states Swiss Made on the face and on the back plate along with its Invicta #4342. I can understand the protest if you thought you were going to receive a "Swiss Made" watch and it comes half out of the box and says Swiss Movement. He is right about the band - short for such a massive watch. I did happen to call Invicta parts and they do have two replacement bands that will work -- both you have to order and pay for-- not an exchange. The first is a steel and rubber link bracelet with a deployment closure-- links can be added or removed. $57 includes shipping - the other is the leather band he mentioned - $42 w/ shipping.
In reply to an earlier post on Jan 6, 2010 3:23:16 AM PST
Thanks for the input, G-Man!
So, the plot thickens...will the real #4342 please stand up!
It seems that people are receiving two different versions of the watch...
G-Man, maybe you could check with the folks you called at Invicta to see what the deal is with the "Swiss MVMT" version?
In reply to an earlier post on Jan 10, 2010 11:05:38 AM PST
Columbus L. Newburn says:
In reply to an earlier post on Jan 10, 2010 11:11:00 AM PST
Columbus L. Newburn says:
Posted on Jan 18, 2010 2:57:37 AM PST
Paul S. says:
Thank you so much for pointing out that this huge watch is only suitable for small men with girlish wrists!
Posted on Jan 25, 2010 12:00:28 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Jan 25, 2010 12:03:02 PM PST
Garrett S. Fong says:
Eyals transition from "SWISS MADE" to "SWISS MOV'T" has been well documented on the watch collection forums. They made the transition about ~5 months ago, at least thats when the "SWISS MOV'T" models hit the open market.
"SWISS MADE" designated pieces use Ronda movements and comply to the requirements needed to have that text printed on the dial.
Anyone wanting a "SWISS MADE" 4342 should pay very close attention to the dial designation. The "SWISS MOV'T" models can be found on ebay for as low as $65.
Yes the short strap is something that has plagued the RDQ since its release. if your wrist is bigger than ~8" around you might find this watch a little snug.
Posted on Feb 6, 2010 7:27:06 PM PST
John M. Osborne says:
The picture clearly says "Swiss Movt". The more expensive Quinotaur is "Swiss Made".