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55ST60 - Excellent PQ! TV had to be returned but I don't think it is Panasonic's fault,
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This review is from: Panasonic VIERA TC-P55ST60 55-Inch 1080p 600Hz 3D Smart Plasma HDTV (Includes 2 Pairs of 3D Active Glasses) (Electronics)Upon arrival, the shipper said he really expected the screen to be shattered as the bottom of the box was VERY beat up and the tape barely holding. Also, the shipper said he was concerned about holes in the sides of the box maybe from a forklift pushing it around or something.
After about 14 days, the TV developed an intermittent fault where the power LED would come on but the screen would not come on. It does this about once every 30 or so power cycles. Turn it back off for a few and it would then come back on normally. So that is why I'm returning this TV. I am not knocking my rating of this panel down because I think the fault is likely because of rough handling by the shipper and is NOT Panasonic's fault nor is it Amazon's fault.
Cedric L at Amazon has been very kind so far in starting the return process. Also, Cedric L at Amazon is the guy who got the shipment "unstuck" immediately when it was seemingly not moving from Denver. More good about Amazon: When this TV was first listed, I purchased at 1699.99. A few days later, Amazon was super friendly about price matching to Sears first at 1499 and then again at 1350 when I saw the price dropped further going from Sears cart to checkout.
Amazon: Very friendly, super professional. The best, IMHO.
Regarding the TV: I'm not a videophile, so here are my limited observations: I was absolutely astounded at the picture quality. I participate in the AVS Forum, so I found forum participant D-Nice's custom calibration for the ST60 and this took it to a whole 'nother level of awesome. I was amazed this calibrator lists his setting free gratus for AVS Forum members. The pro menus for custom calibration apparently allow good calibrators like D-Nice to really dial things in. D-Nice says he will have custom 3D settings listed soon...
The sound is not very good, but I didn't rate the TV down for this as I've read that most panel TV's have kinda' limited sound as the manufacturer expects everyone to use an outside stereo system and I personally believe that most people probably do.
The AR (anti reflective) filter works well and I can watch daytime TV with fairly significant amounts of light coming through supposed black out curtains. The curtains are pretty weak for allegedly being "black out". It is also acceptable with room lighting on. There is glare in these situations, however, I believe if they made the screen totally anti reflective like old matte finish monitor LCD screens, too much picture quality would be lost just to get rid of the last of the glare. So my take on this AR coating is: It is the right amount to attenuate glare somewhat without taking away from this set's awesome PQ.
The black subfilter strikes me as very effective. Knowledgeable persons in the AVS Forum have tested the black levels and they are pretty extremely good. Maybe not the best out there, but probably the best in a fairly budget oriented Smart TV.
One negative: The ST60 apparently has more background processes running than earlier generations of similar models. Since the processor isn't significantly faster than previous models, there is quite a bit of added input lag. I saw photo proof of actual tests by AVS Forum members with the knowledge and equipment to test the panel compared to the ST50 (last year's model) etc. Unfortunately for gamers, the ST60 is considerably slower than the previous model returning gaming input lag between 80 and 107ms. I am an amateur gamer on a PS3 so while I probably noticed a little difference, I didn't find it to be a deal breaker. However, competitive gamers in AVS are reporting that it is just too much lag.
My recommendation: If you are an amateur gamer like me and use the TV less than 10% of your TV time for games, I believe this really is an amazing BEST BUY and I highly recommend it. If you are a competitive gamer or use the TV 50% or more of your TV time for gaming, it may not be the best panel for you.
How to know? If you aren't certain on the lag issue: Some of the AVS members say that their local Best Buy let them bring their game console in and try it out. As for me, I knew within 10 minutes I wanted to keep the set regardless or input lag measurements. I would rather the input lag had not degraded a lot from last year's model, but the price/PQ (picture quality) is amazing. I think if you try it out as just mentioned in a showroom, you will quickly know if it is ok for you or not.
However, even if you go to a showroom to check for lag with your game console, I still strongly recommend making the final purchase with Amazon. Amazon has been extremely good to me over the years and NEVER MORE SO than now when this somewhat expensive item developed an intermittent fault.
A+ for Amazon. Panny needs to do better with the lag issue or other makers may leave them behind. However, I still rate this TV an excellent value FOR CERTAIN BUYERS as already outlined. Price compared to picture quality is amazingly GREAT! (IMHO)
edit: Panasonic customer support has told several AVS Forum members that Panasonic will not be issuing a software/firmware update aimed at improving lag time. People were asking them if they could make a new firmware allowing more background processes to be turned off allowing the panel to have less input lag. Just so you know: The answer is NO. Just sayin'.
I will update this review one more time to discuss how the return and refund process went. I'm pretty confident I'll be publishing yet more positive feedback for Amazon. These guys really treat me like I'm a customer. I feel like I matter to them.
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Initial post: Apr 26, 2013 2:00:57 PM PDT
Would you be able to give me a link to your AVS D-Links ST60 calibration ? Right now im using Robert Wileys Calibration ( http://www.amazon.com/review/R48QT4X3RSRA6/ref=cm_cr_pr_cmt?ie=UTF8&ASIN=B00AVRJK76&linkCode=&nodeID=&tag=#wasThisHelpful ). I'm cruious which one is better :D !!!
In reply to an earlier post on Apr 26, 2013 3:12:45 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Apr 26, 2013 3:41:01 PM PDT
Hi, Andrew. Not quite sure how to post a link in Amazon, but I'll give it a try and do something different if it falls apart first try. FWIW, many of us are finding D-Nice's calibration to have some amount of red push in very dark colors and sometimes in the tint of people's faces. If you find that, too, maybe try Warm1 and reduce gamma to 2.2 or 2.4.
I don't know if D-Nice's slide break in procedure is all that necessary. Suggest giving his calibration a try regardless of how many hours on your panel.
Here's my first attempt at getting the link to go:
Ok, it went in as plain text. You could copy/paste the above to the URL line in your browser, of course.
In reply to an earlier post on Apr 30, 2013 7:00:56 PM PDT
Sorry for the delay in responding back! The link worked and the settings were AMAZING! I was in a rush to get back to the house and try the settings lol. I didn't really use the slideshows either. I mainly just watched full screen movies. I'm sure it doesn't affect the ST60. I have found some tint of reds in some movies. But in others the blacks are just INKY as it gets. I am guessing it is a source not a component or setting deal ? I'm loving the TV! Hope you are aswell
In reply to an earlier post on Apr 30, 2013 7:08:04 PM PDT
Hi, Andrew. I had to return my 55ST60 due to an intermittent fault. I loved that TV, though. Gosh only knows why I tried the 65PS64 this time, but I'm in love. It takes different settings but one of the other guys in the AVS Forum used his meters and cooked up a nice cali for that one, too! Best of luck with your ST60. IMHO, they are a spectacular TV!
In reply to an earlier post on Apr 30, 2013 7:22:46 PM PDT
Bigger is better huh? lol. Glad your liking the TV! The guys at AVS know there calibrations apparently! :) Yeah. I just want to go home and watch more once i get to work lol. ADDICTING
Posted on May 18, 2013 3:54:34 PM PDT
I'm seeing audio lag on some episodes of Amazon Instant Video and Netflix, using an Audio Receiver & Digital Audio cable. Is this the lag you're referring to?
In reply to an earlier post on May 18, 2013 4:04:47 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on May 18, 2013 4:20:40 PM PDT
Not specifically, but it is supposedly caused by the same thing.
I read in AVS Forum that the ST60's high input lag could indeed affect audio sync for some people depending on what devices they were using and some people had to adjust for it. I saw maybe a hint of that using optical audio from my PS3 to my receiver, but never felt like I needed to adjust devices for it. In fact, I felt like the audio was maybe getting there first.. slightly.
I found the "input lag" most noticeable 2 places:
1.) When navigating the TV's picture menus. Delay was occasionally enough that I would press the key again thinking I'd missed it. Then I'd overshoot the menu item I actually wanted.
2.) When gaming with my PS3, I noticed quite a bit of added lag. What that looks/feels like: In FPS, during target acquisition or even movement, it "felt" more sluggish and I would frequently over-control and overshoot aiming past the target 'cause my gaming instincts were trying to adjust for the delay - over-correcting.
After my 55ST60 went intermittent, I tried a 65PS64 that I have right now and am loving it. I had no need for 3D personally. The S64 series uses the same firmware as the S60, so they are pretty much the same other than AR filter and black subfilter - but obviously different from the ST60. Anyway, while the S64 is a lot more responsive when gaming, I continue to see a lot of lag and/or stubbornness in Amazon Instant Vids. So I can't say the ST's added input lag was necessarily greater there; I think that this sort of delay and difficulty stopping vids sometimes with my PS3 is inherent in the Amazon streaming vid GUI for the PS3.
However, I no longer see even slight audio sync problems with the S64, so there is some difference there. Supposedly, the more directly you get your HDMI to your panel, the less likely you are to see audio sync errors with an ST60. Again, it is supposedly variable depending upon devices.
fwiw, even with the added lag, I'd have kept my 55ST60 if not for the intermittent electronic fault. I really liked that panel. Not to say I dislike the S64 at all... I'm head over heels for my S64 because for my purposes, I feel like I've lost nothing and gained a lot.
Hope this info helps,
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