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2.0 out of 5 stars Almost nutral, May 26, 2013
This review is from: The Revisionaries (DVD)
Finally the questioning of the evolutionary theory is being brought to the public school. Finally kids will not be indoctrinated into thinking that all that is known is that we think that we are sure that we evolved from 'soup'. But movie isn't totally neutral; it tries to show Christians as bullies. Also it shows their belief-driven behavior (praying, quoting Bible) which surely looks weird to an atheist. I think that the movie should've shown evolution-driven behavior as well (eugenics, racism, euthanasia, abortions, etc) to level the perception. A couple of quotes I liked:
Texas Citizens for `Science': "High school students don't have expertise or the abilities to discuss and critique scientific theories and hypothesis..."
Riiiight... so they should be exposed to one theory only, so their undeveloped brains wouldn't get all confused, and start malfunctioning all over the place.

National Center for `Science' Education: "Texas choose 3 local evolution scientists vs 2 non local ID scientists... that is strange..." Really? It's never enouth for you... now it isn't just "majority rules" but the "origin of scientist" should determine truth?

- "I want to see evidence for evolution".
- "There is no evidence to dis-prove evolution".
Well... there is no evidence to disprove flying spaghetti monster. Should it be in textbooks as well?

- "We shouldn't allow critiquing the theory of evolution".
- "Have there been examples of fraud in the promoting of the theory of evolution"?
- "Yes".
- "Should that be discussed"?
- "Yes".
:o)
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Initial post: Jun 6, 2013 10:54:46 AM PDT
Johnny P says:
"indoctrinated"?

Seriously? Indoctrination? Of a scientific fact? (and don't give me the naive 'just a theory' claim which shows a deep misunderstanding of philosophy of science)

As fervent Christian Francis Collins, ex head of the Human Genome Project, stated - the evidence for evolution from genetics alone is "incontrovertible". That's just one discipline of dozens which interlock, integrate and prove evolution's truth. That you appear to think that non-experts (in science) can dictate OVER AND ABOVE what actual experts think should be taught is testament to ideology before empirical evidence; desire before truth.

Shoddy.

Posted on Jun 6, 2013 10:57:30 AM PDT
Johnny P says:
I couldn't let you get away with this, either:

"I think that the movie should've shown evolution-driven behavior as well (eugenics, racism, euthanasia, abortions, etc) "

That's just a bloody terrible, fallacious, erroneous claim. That a scientific theory of HOW things came to be can somehow dictate a moral OUGHT is very problematic, to say the least. Naive, again.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 6, 2013 12:16:07 PM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on Jun 6, 2013 3:58:04 PM PDT
Johnny P says:
You have such tired, lame points which have been thoroughly refuted time and again. You have some Cartesian idea of fact, which is fair enough until you realise that there is no such thing as a fact beyond cogito ergo sum, so God, gravity, breathing, thermodynamics are all just theories.

"it is not important, but it shows that you can easily confuse concepts in favor of your desires" - you don't even make sense. Evolution is a mechanism explaining how species have come to be. YOU are the one talking about origin, a conflation at best.

"There are scientists from all disciplines of science on both fronts (for and against)."

Relevant scientists in the relevant fields. A MASSIVE consensus (see project Steve) defends evolution. It is such a superbly attested scientific theory that it is, by all scientific means, a fact. We can observe it in labs, it is verified by mountains (literally) of evidence in multiple fields. IT makes predictions (that creationism simply does not do) which come to fruition. It works at molecular levels (I have a PhD evolutionary molecular biologist who writes for me) and macro levels. People like you who deny it simply do not know enough. You trot out tired, tired old criticisms which are flimsier than paper. It is frustrating. Frustrating that people buy such crap.

Lame.

Posted on Jun 6, 2013 4:53:02 PM PDT
Johnny P says:
How does creationism explain endogenous retroviruses? It doesn't.
And this? http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/06/130606101312.htm
And Italian Wall Lizards?
And Lenski's evolving E.Coli, especially the strain which evolved the ability to survive in a completely different medium!
And the fact that no fossil has ever been found in the 'wrong' rock strata?
And the evolution of superbugs evolving resistance to antibiotics? MRSA?
And H5N1? H7N9?

Creationism can do nothing but flail in the presence of such data. Not only does evolution explain it, it PREDICTS it!

But of course, hundreds of thousands of scientists who put evolutionary biology to practical use around the world, who research evolution, who work in virology and immunology, THEY are ALL indoctrinated! Because a self-correcting epistemological method (the scientific method) has, at its core, the inability to be continually duped and manipulated!

Religion, on the other hand, has NO self-correcting mechanism. What knowledge has religion added to this world in the last 2000 years?

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In reply to an earlier post on Jun 6, 2013 11:29:29 PM PDT
Johnny P says:
You can't be serious?

I know FULL WELL the creationist position - I have regular YECs who argue the position on my blog daily.

This is great:

"They are not a problem but the evidence FOR creation."

So the evidence for evolution is secretly the evidence for creation, I am just suddenly too uniformed to know. AND THEN you just whack in an AiG link! Wow, you're good. And it's people like you trying to dictate science curricula! Brilliant.

"who has his mind set in stone"

I have changed my mind on bigger concepts than evolution.

You don't realise that I am very well versed in what creationists think and argue, especially wrt evolution.

As for valid arguments, you are the one claiming atheists have "undeveloped brains" who apparently all like "eugenics, racism, euthanasia, abortions," because of evolution.

All sorts of wrong.

I tell you what, I will just post 3 links and expect that to suffice as arguments. Because that really answers why ERVs are somehow evidence for creationism as opposed to common descent....

Er, no.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 13, 2013 6:53:56 AM PDT
"We shouldn't allow critiquing the theory of evolution".
- "Have there been examples of fraud in the promoting of the theory of evolution"?
- "Yes".
- "Should that be discussed"?
- "Yes, just like Chicanery in Politics"
You modified and left out the speakers important reply.

Like most fundamentalists you modify the facts to fit YOUR BELIEFS!

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 13, 2013 6:57:21 AM PDT
And like most fundamentalists you missed the point.
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