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Can I Prove the Memos Didn't Happen?,
This review is from: Truth and Duty: The Press, the President, and the Privilege of Power (Hardcover)I have been through chapter one of Marry Mapes' book;
I also have been through the Thornburgh-Boccardi report.
There are so many misrepresntations of fact in Chapter One,
I will not waste my time with the rest of the book.
Free Republic web logger "Buckhead" is not the only person
with decades of computer publishing experience who spotted
the CBS memos as not 1970s typewritten documents. Mapes
sets "Freeper blogger Buckhead" up as a demonized strawman
to distract attention away from the documents themselves.
I worked at Kingsport Press for thirty-four years in computer
assisted typesetting, starting with IBM 1130 punching paper
tape to drive Linotype linecasters, through the VideoComp
and Linotron typesetters, ending with various Mac and Win PCs
When I followed Joseph Newcomer's demonstration on the Web that
the CBS memos were typeset recently and were not typewritten in
the 1970s, it was like Composition 101. I followed along with
PDFs of the four CBS memos downloaded from their website. Plus
a PDF of an authenticated Lt Col Killian memo promoting Lt Bush
in Nov 1970. Plus my experience typesetting hundreds of books
and quarterly journals, and creating dozens of fonts for the
VideoComp, Linotron, and Postscript typesetters.
The fact that another typesetter "Buckhead" found the same
flaws confirms my observations.
The bottom line is: those memos could not have been created on
TexANG clerk-typist Knox's Olympia typewriter; although Knox did
receive an IBM Selectric (after Bush left the TexANG) she did not
receive the "Executive" or the "Composer" models; even with those
models, she could not have done the kerning of letter pairs,
like "fr", which is shown in the CBS memos. At the time those
memos were allegedly written, Lt Col Killian's office used an
Olympia and did not use any model of IBM electric until 1975.
In the 1970s I had access to a RCA GSD VideoComp 830 with
Times-Roman font; I could with great difficulty have produced
copies of the CBS memos on a machine that cost the Press $500,000.
Sept 2004 I was able to make a mirror-image of one of the CBS memos
in minutes by just typing the text into Microsoft Word default
settings for Truetype Times New Roman on my son's old PC.
I went a step further: I captured Killian's signature off the
validated Nov 1970 memo. I tweaked pointsize and setwidth of
Postscript Courier Bold to match the Olympia typewriter font
and offset the Courier figures 35679 to mimic Olympia Old Style
figures. Following the Nov 1970 memo TexANG document style,
I created my own "Killian" memo placing FDR guiding the Pearl
Harbor attack and Harry S Truman shooting the UFO aliens at
Roswell NM. I pasted in Killian's signature and printed the
memo. I then crumpled the printed document, rubbed it
on the floor to get random dust specks, scanned it slightly
off center, and violin! I had my own 60 Minutes quality
documentation, that "meshed" with the official record: FDR
was president 7 Dec 1941 and HST was president in 1947.
Mary Mapes has the documentation standards of Criswell in
Plan Nine From Outer Space: "Can you prove it didn't happen?"
Problems with the CBS memos are not limited to the style
May 4, 1972 Lt Col Killian orders Lt Bush to report for a physical examination no later than May 14, 1972.
- In TexANG squadron officers did not write orders for flight physical exams.
- Physical exams were routinely scheduled based on officer's birth date.
- There is no record of Lt Col Killian writing orders for physical exams.
- Officialy Bush could take his exam as late as 31 Jul 72.
May 19, 1972 File memorandum, Lt Col Killian discusses Lt Bush
transfer request to Alabama for personal reasons
- This does mesh well with Bush's efforts to transfer to non-flying status so he could live and do political work in Alabama.
August 1, 1972 Lt Col Killian verbally orders Lt Bush suspended from flight status.
- Bush's suspension from flying status was actually handled by Col Harris, and the tone of Harris' memo is routine and not at all like this memo attributed to Killian.
- Standard Texas Air National Guard abbrv. was 'TexANG' not 'USAF/TexANG'.
- Lt Col Killian abbreviated 'lieutenant' as 'Lt' not 'Lt.' period.
- There is a 'flight evaluation board' but NO 'flight review board.'
- Lt Col Killian and Tex Air NG did not use the Army term 'billet.'
There are many clues that the author was not Lt Col Killian TexANG.
June 24, 1973 Lt. Colonel Killian authors a Memorandum to 'Sir,' about Bush not receiving a TexANG annual evaluation while stationed in Alabama.
- Again, Lt Col Killian did not put a period after 'Lt' or 'Lt Col'
- Killian abbreviated Fighter Interceptor Squadron as 'FIS' not as 'F. I. S.'
- Lt Col Killian never addressed memos to 'Sir' and was very strict about addressing people by their rank and name, another clue that the author was not Killian.
- Otherwise, this meshes with Bush's transfer to non-flying in Alabama.
August 18, 1973 Lt. Colonel Killian authors a CYA File Memorandum stating as follows:
1. Staudt has obviously pressured Hodges more about Bush. I'm
having trouble running interference and doing my job. Harris gave
me a message today from Grp regarding Bush's OETR and Staudt
is pushing to sugar coat it: Bush wasn't here during rating
period and I don't have any feedback from 187th in Alabama.
I will not rate. Austin is not happy today either.
2. Harris took the call from Grp today. I'll back date but
won't rate. Harris agrees.
- General Staudt had been retired for at least 17 months by the date ascribed to this memo and by all TexANG sources had no involvement with TexANG internal affairs after his retirement.
- Group is abbreviated as "Gp" in all other TexANG memos, not "Grp".
- 'OETR' is not the correct TexANG abbreviation for Officer Efficiency/Training Report (OER), another clue that the author was NOT TexANG.
Well before the segment aired, the four document examiners
hired by CBS tried to warn CBS that there were problems with
authenticating the documents. Mapes in her five year crusade
against Bush refused to listen. When the "holy grail" the
obviously faked documents were posted in PDF format on the CBS
website, people with font and type composition experience got
to see them and raised questions. Mapes and Rather dismissed
critics with the sign-off "FTA" F--- Them All. Mapes and Rather
both were arrogant and full of themselves to the bursting point.
Mary, Dan and fans: I hope you live long, learn the error of
your ways, and repent.
Before writing this, I downloaded and read fifty-nine Amazon
revoews of "Truth and Duty." Quite frankly, the blindness of
the Bush-haters and Mapes-idolizers does not speak well for
the future of America's left wing.
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Initial post: Jan 14, 2008 8:16:43 AM PST
Mark S. Schaffer says:
I have no idea about the background of this reviewer but Bush's record of service in the Guard is spotty at best so I would characterize the review as rationalization.
In reply to an earlier post on Apr 5, 2008 6:31:37 AM PDT
Hinkle Goldfarb says:
You're missing the point. The point is not whether someone is rationalizing a pro-Bush stance. It's whether Mary Mapes used fake documents to try to bring down a president. The answer to that last one is yes, she did.
Posted on Nov 19, 2008 3:59:14 PM PST
The person writing this does not lack in the area of self-esteem ! With his superior knowledge in all areas of typesetting, typewriters, etc. he must be a foremost authority ? ... or a pseudo formost authorit... methinks the latter.
Posted on May 25, 2011 9:06:00 PM PDT
Cynthia Burkey says:
So I guess Killian's secretary was lying when she said what was in the memo was right.
Where are all those people who served with Bush who will step forward to say no, he was right there next to me, reporting for duty?
Posted on May 26, 2011 9:11:05 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on May 29, 2011 8:55:03 AM PDT
CBS's own press release notes that:
September 15, 2004
CBS NEWS PRESS RELEASE
"Marion Carr Knox, the secretary of Lt. Col. Jerry Killian, whose
personal memos were part of a report on last Wednesday's (8) 60
MINUTES broadcast regarding questions about President Bush's
service at the Texas Air National Guard, will appear in a report
on 60 MINUTES tonight (8:00-9:00 PM, ET/PT) on the CBS Television
"In the interview, Ms. Knox states that she does not believe the
memos are genuine. However, she confirms that the content of the
memos does reflect the feelings of Lt. Col. Killian at the time
and accurately portrays events that were taking place in
connection with then-Lt. Bush's Texas Air National Guard service.
"I know that I didn't type 'em. However, the information in those
is correct," Ms. Knox told CBS News for tonight's broadcast......"
Dallas Morning News shortly thereafter:
"HOUSTON -- The former secretary for the Texas Air National Guard
colonel who supposedly authored memos critical of President
Bush's Guard service said Tuesday that the documents are fake,
but that they reflect real documents that once existed.
Marian Carr Knox, who worked from 1956 to 1979 at Ellington Air
Force Base in Houston, said she prided herself on meticulous
typing, and the memos first disclosed by CBS News last week were
not her work.
""These are not real," she told The Dallas Morning News after
examining copies of the disputed memos for the first time.
""They're not what I typed, and I would have typed them for him."
Mrs. Knox, 86, who spoke with precise recollection about dates,
people and events, said she is not a supporter of Mr. Bush, who
she deemed "unfit for office" and "selected, not elected."
""I remember very vividly when Bush was there and all the yak-yak
that was going on about it," she said.
"But, she said, telltale signs of forgery abounded in the four
memos, which contained the supposed writings of her ex-boss, Lt.
Col. Jerry Killian, who died in 1984.
"She said the typeface on the documents did not match either of
the two typewriters that she used during her time at the Guard.
She identified those machines as a mechanical Olympia, which was
replaced by an IBM Selectric in the early 1970s....."
The memos contain names, dates places that ring true in part because
Bush's Guard Service had been publicly discussed from 1999 onwards
and the source of the six memos given to Mapes was Bill Burkett,
a disgruntled Army National Guardsman who had access to national
guard archives. The six memoes however depart from the authenticated
For further reading on what Knox said about the memos, one can read
CBS's own Thornburgh-Boccardi Report commissioned in the aftermath:
"The Panel spoke with Knox on two occasions, and she stated that she did not have any personal knowledge about the content of any of the Killian documents, aside from the fact that she knew Lieutenant Bush had sough to transfer to Alabama so that he could run a political campaign. She informed the Panel that she answered Rather's questions on the assumption that the content was accurate. She made clear in her Panel interviews that she did not have any personal knowledge about the thrust or contents of the documents."
"Knox, an outspoken critic of President Bush and admirer of Rather, told the panel:
"o She did not remember Lt Bush's being ordered to take a physical by Lt Col Killian.
"o She did not remember Lt Bush's being suspended from flying status by Lt Col Killian.
"o She did not remember typing any documents like the four Killian documents that appeared in the Sept 8 Segment.
"o She did not recall that Lt Bush ever tried to get out of drill.
"o She did not recall that Lt Bush ever failed to show up for drill. She did remember that Lt Bush was trying to secure a transfer to Alabama, but she never knew the outcome of the transfer. She did not recall Lt Col Killian's being upset regarding the transfer."
The additions to the record in the "Killian" documents supplied by Bill Burkett to Mary Mapes were not recalled at all by Marian Carr Knox.
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